Will/SHould Turiaf be suspended for Game 5???

[Neb]

One quick question. No automatic suspension of one game for flagrant II?

[Ming Kong!]

One quick question. No automatic suspension of one game for flagrant II?

A flagrant II can be lowered to a flagrant I after review, but a fine suspension and/or fine is subject to review, not automatically handed out.

[Basti]

as much as I want the lakers to lose I'd be pissed if Turiaf is suspended. that was a hard foul yeah, maybe even flagrant 1 but it wasn't a flagrant 2.

plus you could see Price walking to Turiaf to shake hands afterwards. no big deal IMO

[hermes]

i;m guessing there won't be a suspension

[Duffman100]

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This is one of those times where it helps to have some actual basketbal experience behind you. Yes, it is your responsibility to prevent a player from getting hurt if you're fouling to prevent a layup because those aren't regular fouls. Learn the game kid.

Learn to read, kid. (Grammar wouldn't hurt either)

So you're saying Price has no responsibility to stabilize himself? To fall correctly? that wasn't an EXCEPTIONAL foul...He didn't throw him to the ground.

I've played basketball for a long time. I know that the fouler has a responsiblity to not go out of his way to hurt the guy. But I also know that the guy going up for the lay up has a responsibility to not flail himself blindly at the rim (which is what Price did) and expect contact (which he didn't do) and fall correctly (which again he didn't do).

[Ming Kong!]

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Learn to read, kid. (Grammar wouldn't hurt either)

So you're saying Price has no responsibility to stabilize himself? To fall correctly? that wasn't an EXCEPTIONAL foul...He didn't throw him to the ground.

I've played basketball for a long time. I know that the fouler has a responsiblity to not go out of his way to hurt the guy. But I also know that the guy going up for the lay up has a responsibility to not flail himself blindly at the rim (which is what Price did) and expect contact (which he didn't do) and fall correctly (which again he didn't do).

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(Enters Grammar Nazi #2)

Ming Kong!: Hey Duffman100, you made a few grammatical mistakes yourself.

Duffman100: For real, kid?

Ming Kong!: Yes. For one, you misspelled responsibility. Second, you could have conjoined two sentences, but you started a new sentence with the word "but" instead, but I'll let that slide. Also you need to capitalize the first letter of the opening word of a sentence. Finally you need to use a comma followed a conjunctive to join two sentences.

Duffman100: Oh, my bad.

Ming Kong!: I'll let you off easy, cause I'm a good guy, but next time I'll get very technical.

[Duffman100]

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I don't remember saying that!

[omerome]

I've seen the play and sure it was a hard foul but come on...what do you expect as a guard flying in the air with reckless abandon towards the basket? He expected the other team to escort him to the rim?

It was a hard foul and nothing more. I'm sorry if I sound harsh but seriously, Turiaf was just protecting the basket and even after the play, he wanted to reach out to Price.

The NBA nowadays is so quick to call flagrant fouls it's pathetic. What happened to a higher intensity that is usually in the playoffs? I'm tired of watching teams play soft because they are concerned about getting a ticky-tack foul

Give me back the playoffs I remembered and loved!

[Hard2dhole]

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but thats the game of basketball. You take the ball to the basket, you are going to get fouled. As much Turiaf put a lot into the foul, Price in no way protected himself on the way up.
Two young players made mistakes. Turiaf put too much into the foul and Price, in no way, balanced himself or fell properly.

How is someone supposed to protect themselves when they are slammed off course and into the ground?
Was it well after the whistle?- yes. Was it excessive?- yes. Does it fit the definition of a flagrant foul? yes. Was is malicious? I don't believe so.

And for the record I never called for a suspension either. I think/thought a flagrant 1 would have been sufficent.

[Duffman100]

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How is someone supposed to protect themselves when they are slammed off course and into the ground?
Was it well after the whistle?- yes. Was it excessive?- yes. Does it fit the definition of a flagrant foul? yes. Was is malicious? I don't believe so.

And for the record I never called for a suspension either. I think/thought a flagrant 1 would have been sufficent.

Watch veteran players? Pierce, Kobe, Cassell etc...

When they go up for a layup, they are in the air and in control at the same time. When they get hit, they still fall. But they are in a better position to take the hit and fall well.

Was it well after the whistle? Yes...but I've seen refs call worse continuations, so Turiaf was protecting the lakers against that.

Was it excessive? Not really, he went for the ball. He went across the arms, it was just a hard foul.

And I agree, flagrant 1. Sure, I'll deal with that. But AT THE MOST. THe ejection was unwarranted and as omerome said above me, a sign of a really soft NBA.

Edit: And I think thats why I've been stupidly arguing this for 9 pages, because its the bigger picture. The NBA is so soft right now...SO SOFT! Thats a normal foul during the 80s.

[chefy]

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It's not that unreasonable, the NBA has suspended players for less. A reporter after the game asked Phil Jackson if he thought Turiaf would be suspended (to which of course PJ said no).

I personally do not think this flagrant foul warrants a suspension, and I would be surprised but not shocked if the NBA hands out a 1 game suspension.

I do think that the ejection was warranted Price was a defenseless player in mid air and got leveled. The fact that Price is so small and Turiaf is a giant monster didn't help Turiaf's case. Yes he probably could have fouled Boozer or Millsap that hard and not got ejected, but that's just the way it goes.

+1

[Hard2dhole]

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Watch veteran players? Pierce, Kobe, Cassell etc...

When they go up for a layup, they are in the air and in control at the same time. When they get hit, they still fall. But they are in a better position to take the hit and fall well.

Was it well after the whistle? Yes...but I've seen refs call worse continuations, so Turiaf was protecting the lakers against that.

Was it excessive? Not really, he went for the ball. He went across the arms, it was just a hard foul.
And I agree, flagrant 1. Sure, I'll deal with that. But AT THE MOST. THe ejection was unwarranted and as omerome said above me, a sign of a really soft NBA.

Edit: And I think thats why I've been stupidly arguing this for 9 pages, because its the bigger picture. The NBA is so soft right now...SO SOFT! Thats a normal foul during the 80s.

Either you're wrong or Turiaf needs glasses because he was a foot from the ball. He was going for the hard foul, we can agree on that. I've played ball for years as you have and I have for year and i've watched NBA ball for decades and anytime a big slams a small guard as they are mid-air, the guard goes down hard. Add in a body check before the arms come down and the guard will have chance at control.
Yes, the NBA has tightened up fouls as they are selling a product. THIS IS A $15 BILLION BUSINESS. Players are assests that need to be protected.
Congrats if you want more bloodshed you can go watch Ulimate Fighter or some Mexican pro wrestling.

[Milan24]

Price should of got out of Turiaf's way.

[JellosJigglin]

Price didn't jump into him, though. Turiaf initiated all the contact.

But whatever. It doesn't really matter. Ronny shouldn't be suspended, and he won't be. Game on Wednesday.

Turiaf initiated all the contact? How is that even possible if Price is the one attacking the basket? Was Price standing still while the entire arena moved toward him? Did we witness a glitch in the matrix? If Turiaf initiated all the contact then we're talking about defying the laws of physics. Very interesting take you have there.

If ANYTHING, they both jumped into each other. And that's what I alluded to earlier when I said Turiaf probably wasn't expecting Price to jump into him, which resulted in a midair collision.

I don't understand why Jazz fans would even bring up the "way after the whistle" argument. I can turn it around the other way and say "if it was really that late after the whistle, then what the hell was Price doing attacking the basket so recklessly?" Dumb move on his part.

[JStockLivesOn]

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Turiaf initiated all the contact? How is that even possible if Price is the one attacking the basket? Was Price standing still while the entire arena moved toward him? Did we witness a glitch in the matrix? If Turiaf initiated all the contact then we're talking about defying the laws of physics. Very interesting take you have there.

Interesting to see this level of sarcasm when your position is so bafflingly strange.

There's a difference between jumping into someone's chest to try and draw a foul -- Kobe and Wade do this a lot, and effectively -- and moving toward the hoop and having someone jump into you, which is what happened here. Turiaf smothered Price -- Price didn't jump into Turiaf.

I can't be bothered to come up with smartass remarks as cool as yours, though.

[JellosJigglin]

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Interesting to see this level of sarcasm when your position is so bafflingly strange.

There's a difference between jumping into someone's chest to try and draw a foul -- Kobe and Wade do this a lot, and effectively -- and moving toward the hoop and having someone jump into you, which is what happened here. Turiaf smothered Price -- Price didn't jump into Turiaf.

I can't be bothered to come up with smartass remarks as cool as yours, though.

It wasn't sarcasm at all. I was just repeating your take and putting it in perspective. What you are insinuating is Price was standing still while Turiaf came by and knocked him on his ass. It is rare when a defensive player "initiates all the contact" unless it's a hand check or an intentional foul (which this was not). This was just 2 players colliding in mid air.

If you don't believe me, then let's watch the same clip so we have a common frame of reference.

Watch this youtube at 12 seconds. I'd like you to watch that and STILL come back with "Turiaf initiated all the contact".

The bottom line is the referees were intimidated by the reaction of the Jazz players and the home crowd. There is nothing unjust about it, that's just what happens. That's what it means to have a home court advantage. It was a loud and hostile environment and they were afraid to do anything that might upset that crowd. I mean if they can make fun of a child with cancer than what would they do to these healthy officials calling the game? Scary to think about, and so I can't blame them for making the wrong call.