Should we be thanking the foreigners for bringing the flop?
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The NBA itself is at fault
- They let the refs make judgement calls on when to call a foul and when not to. Let's just start calling the game with some consistency.
- They put that stupid circle in the key that forces defenders to scramble out of it when someone starts to penetrate. They usually have just enough time to make it and if they don't flop it will likely look like a foul on them as they are moving towards the shooter.
- No handchecking. Again this limits the defensive options. If all you have when dealing with an offensive player is to try and draw a foul they will resort to it.
The flopping has just been an attempt to sell their case and force the refs to blow the whistle.
I hate it but I think the league has tried to open the game up so much to offense that the defense has been using what they have.
- They let the refs make judgement calls on when to call a foul and when not to. Let's just start calling the game with some consistency.
- They put that stupid circle in the key that forces defenders to scramble out of it when someone starts to penetrate. They usually have just enough time to make it and if they don't flop it will likely look like a foul on them as they are moving towards the shooter.
- No handchecking. Again this limits the defensive options. If all you have when dealing with an offensive player is to try and draw a foul they will resort to it.
The flopping has just been an attempt to sell their case and force the refs to blow the whistle.
I hate it but I think the league has tried to open the game up so much to offense that the defense has been using what they have.
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Frosty wrote:The NBA itself is at fault
- They let the refs make judgement calls on when to call a foul and when not to. Let's just start calling the game with some consistency.
- They put that stupid circle in the key that forces defenders to scramble out of it when someone starts to penetrate. They usually have just enough time to make it and if they don't flop it will likely look like a foul on them as they are moving towards the shooter.
- No handchecking. Again this limits the defensive options. If all you have when dealing with an offensive player is to try and draw a foul they will resort to it.
The flopping has just been an attempt to sell their case and force the refs to blow the whistle.
I hate it but I think the league has tried to open the game up so much to offense that the defense has been using what they have.
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I love this idea that flopping is somehow new.
Floppoing probably has been going on a couple weeks after the first professional basketball league was founded.
The cold hard fact in general is that when people play a professional sport, especially one that has referees that can make decisions that influence the game, these people will use any trick they can to influence the refs. Ethical or not.
This isn't exclusive to basketball. This happens in every sport that I can think of.
Soccer has been done to death here, but flops occur there because the potential reward for a flop (a goal scoring opportunity, especially in the box) is extremely good in a game where points are at an absolute premium.
Flopping occurs in hockey as well, for much of the same reasons (flop, get a power play, getting a goal becomes easier).
Flopping also occurs in football. The reason most people don't talk about it is that there aren't as many situations where it can occur. But when it does, it happens. Wide receivers are constantly exaggerating contact (and in many cases exaggerating nothing) in hopes of drawing a pass interference call. And while it's not flopping per se, players have been known to fake injuries if their team is out fo timeouts to slow down a drive from another team. See Willie McGinnist against the Colts in 2003. Boy he had a "miraculous" recovery on the last play where he was sprinting down the field just after getting pulled two plays earlier for a hurt knee.
And while again it's not flopping per se, in baseball catchers will try to frame pitches so they are counted as stirkes. In a fair and honerable world, they would just catch the damn ball and allow it to be counted as a ball. I mean, a pitcher should really be throwing strikes, right?
You will never get rid of a certain percentage of players trying to do whatever they can to get an advantage out there. That's just the reality of professional sports.
Floppoing probably has been going on a couple weeks after the first professional basketball league was founded.
The cold hard fact in general is that when people play a professional sport, especially one that has referees that can make decisions that influence the game, these people will use any trick they can to influence the refs. Ethical or not.
This isn't exclusive to basketball. This happens in every sport that I can think of.
Soccer has been done to death here, but flops occur there because the potential reward for a flop (a goal scoring opportunity, especially in the box) is extremely good in a game where points are at an absolute premium.
Flopping occurs in hockey as well, for much of the same reasons (flop, get a power play, getting a goal becomes easier).
Flopping also occurs in football. The reason most people don't talk about it is that there aren't as many situations where it can occur. But when it does, it happens. Wide receivers are constantly exaggerating contact (and in many cases exaggerating nothing) in hopes of drawing a pass interference call. And while it's not flopping per se, players have been known to fake injuries if their team is out fo timeouts to slow down a drive from another team. See Willie McGinnist against the Colts in 2003. Boy he had a "miraculous" recovery on the last play where he was sprinting down the field just after getting pulled two plays earlier for a hurt knee.
And while again it's not flopping per se, in baseball catchers will try to frame pitches so they are counted as stirkes. In a fair and honerable world, they would just catch the damn ball and allow it to be counted as a ball. I mean, a pitcher should really be throwing strikes, right?
You will never get rid of a certain percentage of players trying to do whatever they can to get an advantage out there. That's just the reality of professional sports.
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BigHands wrote:Red Auerbach was on to this crap back in the 70's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CON0fNSS81I
Wow, that is GOLD. Red, Unseld, Silas, Hayes, Riordan, Haskins and Mendy Rudolph in a clip which is (in the most positive sense) for nine year olds. LOL at Haskins answering to Red as if Red was a teacher and Haskins was a child.
I want a remake of this clip!! I want Phil Jackson, Shaq, Duncan, D12, Kobe, LeBron and Arenas redo this clip with Dick Bavetta.
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