Breaking News: Donaghy Claims NBA had hand in Fix

[magicfan4life05]

nba is rigged, they already know the outcome of the series


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[magicfan4life05]

[magicfan4life05]

Oakley says Donaghy is right


http://www.nypost.com/seven/06152008/sp ... 115537.htm

[hsb]

"I'm just surprised he hasn't put more stuff out about the league because everything he put out is the truth," Oakley told The Post.

...said he believes NBA officials and league executives exert too much control over the outcome of games.

Stern said that Donaghy's Lawyer was releasing material so something could stick, well, something hit the fan. After all these statements (and obvious game footage ie. 2002 game 6 WCF), its hard to rationalize Donaghy being the only referee in this mess. I don't believe Stern when he said he was alone in this.

I'm glad at lease one former NBA employee coming out and saying something. Charles never holds back.

"Whenever you have superstar calls, that tells you right there it's cheating. It's controlled," Oakley said.

Al though this might be nit picking, its so true, as fans we let that pass too easily.

[Bgil]

TD could be lying or telling the truth but one thing that sticks in my mind is that NBA refs are the worst of the pro sports. The fact that a cheating ref could not be distinguish from a "normal" ref speak volume. I never question Ed Hochuli but there isn't one NBA ref that I think is competent.

For people who are looking for pattern to disprove cheating, good cheaters don't make it "obvious" and you don't know their agenda.

I think that's the most important thing to take from all of this... from Donaghy's cheating and from his alleged fixed playoff games. Reffing in the NBA is ridiculously bad. Home teams shouldn't get different calls than road teams. Superstars shouldn't get more calls than non-superstars. The playoffs shouldn't be called differently than the regular season. etc etc etc.

[Brenice]

Oakley says Donaghy is right


http://www.nypost.com/seven/06152008/sp ... 115537.htm

Oakley is saying pretty much what I was saying back on pages 37 & 38 of this topic.

[Harry Palmer]

What evidence? I keep seeing people say stuff like this, but there is no evidence to show that a conspiracy took place. The refs obviously favored the Lakers very strongly, anyone with eyes can see that, but does favoring a team mean there's a conspiracy?

I would like to point something out here.

The terms conspiracy or conspiracy theories are being thrown around a lot about this is, and imo, wrongly so. Conspiracies are when a group of individuals get together to realize some secret agenda, ulterior motive, often of an illegal nature.

Like, for example, when it is supposed, rightly or wrongly, that people in power went to war in Iraq for the sake of oil profits, that would be a hidden agenda, an ulterior motive...and hence, it qualifies as a conspiracy, and/or conspiracy theory. Governments should not be going to war, and do not purport to go to war, because of the concerns of profit margins.

However, businesses do conduct business with profit margins as their top priority. And the NBA is a business. Making money is not their hidden agenda...it is their openly stated one. It is not an ulterior motive...it is their primary motive.

So the suggestion that a business is operating with profits as their top concern is anything but a conspiracy theory. It would, in fact, be surprising if that was not their principle concern. And in this case, the only issue with doing what it has been suggested they did do would be for it to be revealed enough to the public to affect that primary concern. Without that, there is nothing whatsoever about trying to generate the greatest profits which contravenes business priorities.

Pretty Woman's original ending had the hooker waiting in vain for the millionaire to rescue her from her plight. The Beach was written, importantly, with the lead as a Brit. Hollywood is replete with alterations made to story lines because they are deemed more marketable, and therefore profitable for the people in the business of selling entertainment, and no one cries foul. Professional showmen, acrobats, magicians etc. have been 'fooling' their audiences since time immemorial for the purposes of generating more excitement, and therein profits. And as long as the audience doesn't actually catch the magician with the rabbit hidden in his hat, no one's unhappy, and both sides get what they sought...entertainment was paid for, and received.

And that's what professional sports is...entertainment that's bought and sold. It's a business...show business. Is it, therefore, a conspiracy theory to suggest that the team whose home court featured Showtime was given a nudge so that profits would be higher across the board?

Hardly.

So please, feel free to argue all you want about whether or not you feel games were altered for the sake of profit...but please refrain from acting as though anyone suggesting that should be wearing tin foil hats. A business trying to maximize profits by increasing marketability is anything but a secret agenda or ulterior motive. It's not even illegal.

It's just good business...unless you're caught with the rabbit in your hat.

[LakerFanMan]

I think the "hidden agenda" in this case would be for the Lakers to win the game. People are trying to say the league conspired so the lakers could win the game (hidden agenda). This is what we're arguing. More money is what obviously comes if the series goes 7, the "hidden agenda" is what's needed to make it go 7. We aren't arguing that. That's what I've been reading it to be.

Doesn't really matter because I wasn't the one to suggest conspiracy. However, if you're saying the league fixed game with the refs for the lakers to win game 6, then you could easily call that a hidden agenda and thus a conspiracy. Unless the leagues stated agenda is to make playoff series go 7 games as well as making money. I've just never seen rigging games as a stated agenda.

[Harry Palmer]

But that's not the agenda, that's the means to realize the agenda...making money.

McDonald's tells its stockholders (if there is such a thing...just an illustration) that their objective is maximizing profits. That's their agenda. Not secret, not hidden, not ulterior.

The NBA's shareholders and owners have the exact same agenda.

That 'wanting to buy beef as cheaply as possible' or 'wanting as much playoff television revenue' isn't explicitly stated as party to the agenda doesn't make is secret, just obvious and understood.

You aren't suggesting an ulterior motive. You are suggesting a means of achieving an obvious, overt motive that would be better achieved if the public wasn't aware of all the particulars.

HUGE difference.

[LakerFanMan]

Harry, I understand what you're saying. You're saying this isn't a conspiracy because, if it occured, it occured as a means of achieving a goal implied by every business, making money.

However, im not sure we're looking at it the same way. The NBA's stated goal of all of the meetings, pre game talks, and memos with refs is to make sure the refs are doing their job and making the right calls. TD is claiming that at several of these meetings the goal was to fix the game. So these allegations imply that the hidden agenda, motive, or whatever you want to call it, of these meeting, talks, and memos is actually to fix games and decieve the consumer, not to make sure the refs are making the right calls. You could, in that circumstance, call it a conspiracy. The consumer thinks the NBA is meeting with refs and sending them memos to make sure games are accuratly called. TD claims it is to fix games, or has been in the past. The conspiracy occurs in the deception of the consumer. I guess it all depends on what angle you're looking at it from.

Again though I wasn't the one who suggested it. Im not much of a believer of conspiracies. To me it's pretty irrelevant whether you call it a conspiracy or a means of achieving an implied goal. My argument is that there is no hard evidence to prove rigging ever took place.