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Re: Hall of Fame for any of these guys ...... 

Post#41 » by Doctor MJ » Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:04 pm

Alonzo Mourning - probable
Dikembe Mutombo - good chance
Shawn Kemp - doubtful
Grant Hill - doubtful
Penny Hardaway - no
Tim Hardaway - doubtful
Kevin Johnson - doubtful, unfortunately
Steve Nash - yes
Ben Wallace - doubtful, but interesting: had he stayed with Detroit, I think he gets in, as is people are left thinking he wasn't so valuable after all
Dennis Johnson - probably, and i expect it to happen very soon now that he's passed
Mark Eaton - no
Dennis Rodman - doubtful, he's got some of the stuff that can make you overlook his lack of all around game, but his counterproductive personality adds another big negative
Paul Pierce - probable, had you asked me a year ago I'd have said doubtful. As is, another year like the last one and he's a lock.
T-mac - probable
Vince Carter - doubtful
Ray Allen - good chance
Reggie Miller - probable
Manu Ginobili - yes
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Post#42 » by NetsForce » Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:20 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:Alonzo Mourning - probable
Dikembe Mutombo - good chance
Shawn Kemp - doubtful
Grant Hill - doubtful
Penny Hardaway - no
Tim Hardaway - doubtful
Kevin Johnson - doubtful, unfortunately
Steve Nash - yes
Ben Wallace - doubtful, but interesting: had he stayed with Detroit, I think he gets in, as is people are left thinking he wasn't so valuable after all
Dennis Johnson - probably, and i expect it to happen very soon now that he's passed
Mark Eaton - no
Dennis Rodman - doubtful, he's got some of the stuff that can make you overlook his lack of all around game, but his counterproductive personality adds another big negative
Paul Pierce - probable, had you asked me a year ago I'd have said doubtful. As is, another year like the last one and he's a lock.
T-mac - probable
Vince Carter - doubtful
Ray Allen - good chance
Reggie Miller - probable
Manu Ginobili - yes


How is T-Mac "probable" and Vince Carter "doubtful"?
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Post#43 » by Baller 24 » Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:42 pm

NetsForce wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:Alonzo Mourning - probable
Dikembe Mutombo - good chance
Shawn Kemp - doubtful
Grant Hill - doubtful
Penny Hardaway - no
Tim Hardaway - doubtful
Kevin Johnson - doubtful, unfortunately
Steve Nash - yes
Ben Wallace - doubtful, but interesting: had he stayed with Detroit, I think he gets in, as is people are left thinking he wasn't so valuable after all
Dennis Johnson - probably, and i expect it to happen very soon now that he's passed
Mark Eaton - no
Dennis Rodman - doubtful, he's got some of the stuff that can make you overlook his lack of all around game, but his counterproductive personality adds another big negative
Paul Pierce - probable, had you asked me a year ago I'd have said doubtful. As is, another year like the last one and he's a lock.
T-mac - probable
Vince Carter - doubtful
Ray Allen - good chance
Reggie Miller - probable
Manu Ginobili - yes


How is T-Mac "probable" and Vince Carter "doubtful"?


Better resume overall, 2 scoring titles, 7 All NBA Teams (two 1st, three 2nd, and two 3rd), 7 time All-Star, Top 10 in MVP voting 6 times out of the past 8 years, not to mention his playoff statistics currently rank on top. You compare that to Vince Carter who has never been a top 10 MVP vote getter, only has been part of the All NBA Team 2 times (never apart of the 1st team), and he has never made the playoffs without a prolific point guard (Mark Jackson, Jason Kidd). McGrady needs a strong playoff run or two and he should be in, not to mention he is only 29 yrs old still. While Vince with the Nets (hopefully they trade him) doesn't look so good in the future.
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Post#44 » by sh00n » Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:58 pm

etopn23 wrote:How does Pierce get in over McGrady when he hasn't made an All NBA first time or been an MVP candidate once in his career? As far as individual accolades go McGrady has him beat soundly - the only thing Pierce has on him is a ring.

Because Paul Pierce is the greatest in the world. You don't see him crying over petty things like a broken knee while that pansy McGrady is crying over back spasms and 1st round losses.

Paul Pierce is the real deal. A lock for the HOF.
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Post#45 » by nesta » Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:03 pm

Alonzo Mourning-eventually somehow, probably like in 2020s
Dikembe Mutombo-yes
Shawn Kemp-no
Grant Hill-no
Penny Hardaway-no
Tim Hardaway-no
Kevin Johnson-no
Steve Nash-yes
Ben Wallace-i see him in the HoF eventually like Zo, in the 2020s or 2030s. He is one of the best defensive players of all time that lead his team to the championship
Dennis Johnson-yes
Mark Eaton-no
Dennis Rodman-should be. He probably will get in when he is like 70 when he decides to mature.
Paul Pierce-yes
T-mac-currently no, but i see him getting out of the first round and keeping his allstar seasons up for a few more years. When he does, he will be in for sure
Vince Carter-no Two all nba team selections does not merit a valid nomination
Ray Allen-yes
Reggie Miller-yes
Manu Ginobili-yes
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Post#46 » by Baller 24 » Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:38 pm

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etopn23 wrote:How does Pierce get in over McGrady when he hasn't made an All NBA first time or been an MVP candidate once in his career? As far as individual accolades go McGrady has him beat soundly - the only thing Pierce has on him is a ring.

Because Paul Pierce is the greatest in the world. You don't see him crying over petty things like a broken knee while that pansy McGrady is crying over back spasms and 1st round losses.

Paul Pierce is the real deal. A lock for the HOF.


1) Back spasms are long gone.
2) Inured Knee still got him 55 wins this year without Yao
3) Better resume overall, 2 scoring titles, 7 All NBA Teams (two 1st, three 2nd, and two 3rd), 7 time All-Star, Top 10 in MVP voting 6 times out of the past 8 years, not to mention his playoff statistics currently rank on top. Pierce doesn't have all of that, but Pierce I think is in after this playoff performance this past season. A strong run or 2 in the playoffs should check McGrady in who is still only 29 years old. Although playing with 2 other all stars does make a difference, but you know whatever.. :roll:
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Re: Hall of Fame for any of these guys ...... 

Post#47 » by Doctor MJ » Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:46 pm

Baller 24 wrote:How is T-Mac "probable" and Vince Carter "doubtful"?


Better resume overall, 2 scoring titles, 7 All NBA Teams (two 1st, three 2nd, and two 3rd), 7 time All-Star, Top 10 in MVP voting 6 times out of the past 8 years, not to mention his playoff statistics currently rank on top. You compare that to Vince Carter who has never been a top 10 MVP vote getter, only has been part of the All NBA Team 2 times (never apart of the 1st team), and he has never made the playoffs without a prolific point guard (Mark Jackson, Jason Kidd). McGrady needs a strong playoff run or two and he should be in, not to mention he is only 29 yrs old still. While Vince with the Nets (hopefully they trade him) doesn't look so good in the future.[/quote]

That's the type of answer I'd give too. McGrady's been a regular on MVP lists and All NBA teams, Carter really hasn't been in the conversation since his peak in Toronto. In my own personal list for "best player" each year, McGrady's made the Top 10 5 times, Carter only once. So yeah, I really don't see Carter as having a career in the league that some other evidently do.
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Post#48 » by SixStringAxis » Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:20 pm

I am going with these guys.

Alonzo Mourning
Dikembe Mutombo
Kevin Johnson
Steve Nash
Dennis Johnson
Dennis Rodman
Paul Pierce
T-mac
Reggie Miller
Manu Ginobili
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Post#49 » by Tiggo Bitties » Wed Sep 3, 2008 3:02 am

Reading this thread makes me realize how overrated Rodman is. The guy was a crazy rebounder but the rest of his numbers are putrid. He never averaged even 1 block or steal per game in his career. Only 2 all-star games and #19 in NBA history for total rebounds(the only good stat he put up) does not equal top 50 all-time. I know he won championships and was a really good defender but stats and yearly personal accolades do matter when it comes to the HoF. He might get in but far from a lock.
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Post#50 » by Prolific Scorer » Wed Sep 3, 2008 3:21 pm

JordansBulls wrote:Will any of the following players make the Hall of Fame:


Alonzo Mourning
Dikembe Mutombo
Shawn Kemp
Grant Hill
Penny Hardaway
Tim Hardaway
Kevin Johnson
Steve Nash
Ben Wallace
Dennis Johnson
Mark Eaton
Dennis Rodman
Paul Pierce
T-mac
Vince Carter
Ray Allen
Reggie Miller
Manu Ginobili

OFf the top of my head..

Zo - Yes
Dike - Yes
Kemp - No
Hill - Question Mark, but I might go ahead and say I doubt it.
Penny - No
Timmy - Maybe, but I doubt it.
KJ - Slept on, but I doubt it
Nash - Probably
Ben - 3 or 4 DPOYs might get him in
DJ - Yes
Eaton - No
Rodman - Should, but off the court activities will probably help NOT get him in
Pierce - ?
T-Mac - Nope
Ray Allen - Is a ? in my eyes, if he could win a few more rings and put up some #'s he might have a shot because of 3's
Reggie - YES IMO
Manu - Nope
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Post#51 » by Prophet_C » Wed Sep 3, 2008 3:34 pm

i forgot to add DJ to my list.
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Post#52 » by sh00n » Wed Sep 3, 2008 4:16 pm

Baller 24 wrote:
sh00n wrote:
etopn23 wrote:How does Pierce get in over McGrady when he hasn't made an All NBA first time or been an MVP candidate once in his career? As far as individual accolades go McGrady has him beat soundly - the only thing Pierce has on him is a ring.

Because Paul Pierce is the greatest in the world. You don't see him crying over petty things like a broken knee while that pansy McGrady is crying over back spasms and 1st round losses.

Paul Pierce is the real deal. A lock for the HOF.


1) Back spasms are long gone.
2) Inured Knee still got him 55 wins this year without Yao
3) Better resume overall, 2 scoring titles, 7 All NBA Teams (two 1st, three 2nd, and two 3rd), 7 time All-Star, Top 10 in MVP voting 6 times out of the past 8 years, not to mention his playoff statistics currently rank on top. Pierce doesn't have all of that, but Pierce I think is in after this playoff performance this past season. A strong run or 2 in the playoffs should check McGrady in who is still only 29 years old. Although playing with 2 other all stars does make a difference, but you know whatever.. :roll:

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Post#53 » by JN » Wed Sep 3, 2008 6:33 pm

randomhero423 wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:Will any of the following players make the Hall of Fame:


Alonzo Mourning
Dikembe Mutombo

Shawn Kemp
Grant Hill
Penny Hardaway
Tim Hardaway
Kevin Johnson
Steve Nash
Ben Wallace
Dennis Johnson
Mark Eaton
Dennis Rodman
Paul Pierce
T-mac

Vince Carter
Ray Allen
Reggie Miller
Manu Ginobili


Same as you except I don't have Ray Allen in.
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Post#54 » by Mike Hunt » Thu Sep 4, 2008 5:39 pm

If I had a say:
-Alonzo Mourning: Maybe (Without the kidney problems, who knows what would've happened. The defensive prowess is great, the scoring is better than Mutumbo's but the rebounding was never elite, though it got better)
-Dikembe Mutombo: Yes (People forget he had that flat, ugly hook working for him earlier in his career. Only recently has his career scoring average dipped below 10ppg. In his prime, no one intimidated more. He made a lot of guys shoot air balls from in around the basket)
-Shawn Kemp: No
-Grant Hill: No
-Penny Hardaway: No
-Tim Hardaway: Maybe (though he was my favourite player not named Hakeem)
-Kevin Johnson: Maybe (his numbers are a tad better than T.H.'s)
-Steve Nash: Yes
-Ben Wallace: No (People will flash the DPOYs but that's really it with him)
-Dennis Johnson: Maybe
-Mark Eaton: No
-Dennis Rodman: Maybe (No one came close to being as good as him at what he did)
-Paul Pierce: No
-Tracy McGrady: Maybe
-Vince Carter: No
-Ray Allen: Maybe (If he passes Miller in 3FGs)
-Reggie Miller: Yes (only because of the three-point shot)
-Manu Ginobili: No (international stuff to me only means something when it can't be measured against the NBA. I've seen Manu Ginobli, the NBA player and he's far from being a HOFer)
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Post#55 » by MalReyn » Thu Sep 4, 2008 11:32 pm

Not quite sure why some people have Reggie Miller as a "yes" and Ray Allen as a "no" or "maybe."

I mean, they have comparable percentages across the board, Ray averages more PPG, RPG, APG for his career than Reggie (though this will likely get closer since Ray's numbers are down) and Ray has 8 All-Star selections to Reggie's 5 (not to mention Ray has a title).

The only possible reason I could see is that it's because Reggie is the career 3-point leader. But Ray looks like he'll catch him pretty easily and at a younger age.

Anyone have more insight? Is it because of Reggie spending his whole career in Indiana? His "big game" reputation? What do you think?
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Post#56 » by dajrichshow » Fri Sep 5, 2008 1:22 am

What about Chris Mullin? I don't see why he hasn't even been mentioned in this thread.
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Post#57 » by Tiggo Bitties » Fri Sep 5, 2008 7:26 am

dajrichshow wrote:What about Chris Mullin? I don't see why he hasn't even been mentioned in this thread.


At his peak he was clearly a HoFer but he didnt maintain it long enough IMO.
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Post#58 » by Gutter92 » Fri Sep 5, 2008 11:00 am

Mike Hunt wrote:-Manu Ginobili: No (international stuff to me only means something when it can't be measured against the NBA. I've seen Manu Ginobli, the NBA player and he's far from being a HOFer)


Good thing its the BASKETBALL HoF, not the NBA HoF. Even then, he has 3 championships.
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Post#59 » by Prolific Scorer » Fri Sep 5, 2008 6:42 pm

MalReyn wrote:Not quite sure why some people have Reggie Miller as a "yes" and Ray Allen as a "no" or "maybe."

I mean, they have comparable percentages across the board, Ray averages more PPG, RPG, APG for his career than Reggie (though this will likely get closer since Ray's numbers are down) and Ray has 8 All-Star selections to Reggie's 5 (not to mention Ray has a title).

The only possible reason I could see is that it's because Reggie is the career 3-point leader. But Ray looks like he'll catch him pretty easily and at a younger age.

Anyone have more insight? Is it because of Reggie spending his whole career in Indiana? His "big game" reputation? What do you think?

Maybe because Reggie was the best player on better teams than Ray.

Indiana was always a contender (although we all know he never won a ring) for the most part, had a few .500 teams (i believe 2 or 3), but besides that was winning 50 games + year in and year out
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Post#60 » by Baller 24 » Fri Sep 5, 2008 9:28 pm

Prolific Scorer wrote:
MalReyn wrote:Not quite sure why some people have Reggie Miller as a "yes" and Ray Allen as a "no" or "maybe."

I mean, they have comparable percentages across the board, Ray averages more PPG, RPG, APG for his career than Reggie (though this will likely get closer since Ray's numbers are down) and Ray has 8 All-Star selections to Reggie's 5 (not to mention Ray has a title).

The only possible reason I could see is that it's because Reggie is the career 3-point leader. But Ray looks like he'll catch him pretty easily and at a younger age.

Anyone have more insight? Is it because of Reggie spending his whole career in Indiana? His "big game" reputation? What do you think?

Maybe because Reggie was the best player on better teams than Ray.

Indiana was always a contender (although we all know he never won a ring) for the most part, had a few .500 teams (i believe 2 or 3), but besides that was winning 50 games + year in and year out



But that's still tough, you have to remember that whats going to hurt him is that he has only played in 5 All Star Games. has only been apart of 3 all nba teams, and was never a top 10 MVP vote getter.
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