Vince Carter Fires Back At Phil Jackson

[Jase]

At least Vince is not a pedophile/rapist. Phil needs to learn how to STFU, he disses everyone from Shaq to Odom. He just likes to hear himself speak I guess..

Are you saying Phil Jackson is? That's bogus if you are.

[otownflava21]

who the **** cares what vince says and who cares what phil jackson says!!!!???


they're nobodies....both of them.

the ONLY people who have the right to say what they want in the NBA are stern gilbert and SHAQQQ

[Chubby Chaser]

Unlike other chumps with big mouths in the NBA who haven't earned any respect. Phil Jackson has definitely earned the right to voice his opinions on anything basketball related whether you agree with them or not.

[HarlemHeat37]

so does Phil Jackson have the right to imply that the best player on the team he coaches is a rapist? isn't that kind of insulting to Kobe?..

[BubbaTee]

Prove me wrong, what has he done or what makes him an allstar? How many scoring titles has he had? How many playoff apperance has he had? Has he ever led any team past the second round? What has he accomplished with the Nets?

So what are there, like 8 All-Stars in the whole NBA then? Cause Dwight and Yao and Paul and Bosh and Caron and Carmelo and Roy haven't done any of those things either.

NBA Allstars......... V.C refused to give his spot to M.J until he recieved a lot of heat for it, how low class is that? I mean were talking about M.J, his last NBA Allstar game and you dont want to give up your starting the game to M.J, why? Arrogance, he started over M.J in the Allstar game....Give me barke.

Jordan didn't deserve to start that AS game, and everyone knew it.

BTW - who gave up their starting spot for Hakeem's last season? Or Bird, Stockton, both Malones, Payton, etc.? Why didn't they all get free passes to the AS starting lineup, without a bunch of folks whining about the players who actually deserved to start in those games?

[Baller 24]

Unlike other chumps with big mouths in the NBA who haven't earned any respect. Phil Jackson has definitely earned the right to voice his opinions on anything basketball related whether you agree with them or not.

But does that mean he is allowed to call other players out?

Theoretically speaking the no, if he has any class or respect he'd keep his mouth shut. Just watch what happens if the Lakers don't win any championships in the next 2-3 years (his mouth will start rolling again, and Kobe will get all the blame).

[Kefa461]

so does Phil Jackson have the right to imply that the best player on the team he coaches is a rapist? isn't that kind of insulting to Kobe?..

Jackson the ZenMaster said that?????.....then it must be true........ I don't believe that for a minute........nope He's a liar......

[Kefa461]

Unlike other chumps with big mouths in the NBA who haven't earned any respect. Phil Jackson has definitely earned the right to voice his opinions on anything basketball related whether you agree with them or not.

I guess winning can't buy you any class huh????? Phil still has none........

[DEEP3CL]

That makes you completely incorrect without a single recourse to argue your case. Vince Carter is a very good rebounding guard and you saying otherwise is just stupid. You are too eloquent to be a literal (Please Use More Appropriate Word), so I assume that your stubborn insistence of the truth of your statement is on account of some personal distaste for Carter.

Look tsherkin Vince's numbers are decent and your argument is relevant, but I still believe that just because you put up great numbers doesn't correlate to being a great player. So your assessment of my views towards Vince maybe correct. And for those who popped off and said I didn't look at his numbers well I have. No one here can defend Vince's playoff numbers. Somebody said his numbers dropped only his last two playoff appearances try every season he's competed in the playoffs.

One more thing tsherkin, I don't know about you but I've been watching pro ball for 30 years plus so I'll throw it out there I don't mind. I don't doubt you've been watching for a long time because I've read many of your post thru the years and you know what your talking about. Fact of the matter is some guys here don't understand that some guys just "play" ball and "players" that play ball. Vince plays just to play and there is no one who can dispute that and my man Tony Montana posted the same info in this thread. Vince has even said himself he didn't care, didn't work out and you expect me to RESPECT him ? Hell no I won't.

Your argument was valid but that still doesn't mean Vince is a player. Good yeah great no.

[DEEP3CL]

Deep is so cute..tsherkin has destroyed him in every separate post in this thread, yet he has the balls to say he knows more because he's "watched more basketball"..everybody in this thread is against you..your argument is based on "what you've seen", even though nothing you've said can be proven by any logical argument..

I know this for DAMN sure I know more about pro ball then you ever will son.

[tsherkin]

Look tsherkin Vince's numbers are decent and your argument is relevant, but I still believe that just because you put up great numbers doesn't correlate to being a great player. So your assessment of my views towards Vince maybe correct. And for those who popped off and said I didn't look at his numbers well I have. No one here can defend Vince's playoff numbers. Somebody said his numbers dropped only his last two playoff appearances try every season he's competed in the playoffs.

That's fair; it would be inaccurate to say Vince is one of the 5 best players in the league. It'd be a stretch to call him a top-10 player, but I could see him being anywhere in the 8-12 range, personally. It'd be a borderline sin to say he's comparable to Kobe, Lebron or Wade. I will concede those points to you because they are just exceedingly obvious, I'm not arguing to those points at all. I'm just saying that it seems from the tone of your posts that you aren't giving VC the respect he's due for what he HAS achieved.

One more thing tsherkin, I don't know about you but I've been watching pro ball for 30 years plus so I'll throw it out there I don't mind.

I apologize for challenging the time you've spent watching the game, I should have stuck to discussing your actual posts. I was mostly trying to say that you were overcompensating for something, not considering certain factors, etc. I've been watching ball for about 20 years, myself, most of my life, as a matter of fact.

Vince plays just to play and there is no one who can dispute that and my man Tony Montana posted the same info in this thread. Vince has even said himself he didn't care, didn't work out and you expect me to RESPECT him ? Hell no I won't.

The quote that Vince gave was dramatically misinterpreted. I'll concede that he's never displayed the same kind of work ethic and drive that guys like Kobe and MJ have showcased. He coasts sometimes and isn't a fire-and-brimstone competitor the way that those guys are, but not everyone is and that's fine, you just have to identify those players early and make sure that

Your argument was valid but that still doesn't mean Vince is a player. Good yeah great no.

Well, I suppose that's semantics. I figure a guy who's a perennial All-Star and a career 24/5.5/4 player (and of late, closer to 24/6/5) who can score from the face-up, the catch-and-shoot and can score from 40 feet and in, draw a decent number of FTAs and be that kind of versatile guy is a pretty outstanding player. He's got that ability to get hot and shoot his team to a win, that X-factor of offensive explosion and of course, even over 30, he's one of the best athletes in the game.

He's not an All-Time Great, not a top-15 player or anything, but he's still a great player. I think you need to cool the hate a wee bit and respect what he is. Stop and think about how many players perform at his level even at 100% effort and then consider the individual things he HAS achieved. He commands respect for those achievements but people expected more than he was willing to strive for and they are disappointed as a result. They wanted him to be MJ, to live, eat and breathe basketball and he doesn't. It's a disappointment and a big one at that, but you have to move on and objectively view his career.

[RJM]

I didn't know this many people cared about Wince's response to the GCOAT.

[HarlemHeat37]

Deep is so cute..tsherkin has destroyed him in every separate post in this thread, yet he has the balls to say he knows more because he's "watched more basketball"..everybody in this thread is against you..your argument is based on "what you've seen", even though nothing you've said can be proven by any logical argument..

I know this for DAMN sure I know more about pro ball then you ever will son.

definitely..you've shown so much knowledge in your assessment of Vince

[tsherkin]

Harlem, let's just leave that portion of the topic, shall we? DEEP, you too. Just forget you two said anything to each other.

[timdunkit]

I am not really a VC fan but VC hate is too much. The problem is people cant just live with what he is because of all the untap potential. People who say he hasn't accomplish much well here is a list:
* 8-time NBA All-Star selection: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007 (did not play in 2002 due to injury)
* 2-time All-NBA:
o Second Team: 2001
o Third Team: 2000
* NBA Slam Dunk Champion: 2000
* NBA All-Rookie First Team: 1999
* NBA Rookie of the Year Award: 1999
* The Sporting News NBA Rookie of the Year: 1999[38]

Won the Gold medal in the 2000 Olympics with the USA senior basketball team

New Jersey Nets franchise records

* Holds for most three-point field goals made in one game with 9 (December 11, 2006 vs. Memphis Grizzlies)
* Holds for most points scored in one season with 2,070 (2006-07)
* Holds for most consecutive 20 or more point games with 23 (2005-06).
* He is the first Net to score at least 2,000 points in a single season. (2006-07)[40]

Toronto Raptors franchise records and milestones

* Holds for most career points scored with 9,420
* Holds for most points scored in one game with 51 (February 27, 2000 vs. Phoenix Suns)
* Co-holds for most points scored in one quarter with 20 (November 7, 2001 vs. Golden State Warriors)
* Co-holds for most field goals made in one game with 20 (January 14, 2000 vs. Milwaukee Bucks)
* Holds for most points scored in a playoff game with 50 (May 11, 2001 vs. Philadelphia 76ers, Eastern Conference Semifinals)
* Ranks 3rd for games played with 403
* Ranks 1st for games started with 401
* Ranks 1st for total points with 9,420
* Ranks 1st for total minutes with 15,154
* Ranks 2nd for three-pointers made with 554
* Ranks 2nd for three-pointers attempted with 1,445

*source* wiki

Unless there is an error, I believe its wrong to say he hasn't accomplish anything. What Vince should have bein is all debatable, but give respect where its due. He still has done things very few people.

Btw, im a Raptors fan and despite all the negativety he will be remembered for, Vince did more positive things then people give credit for.