Miami Heat, What happened to them?

[John Murdoch]

Miami is a bunch of bum journeymen with an amazing coaching staff. Love what they're doing hope Spo gets a chance to coach some top talent again soon. They beat the breaks off toronto

[Sothron]

So many excuses. You will need more of them come playoffs time.

As a Heats fan, you should have responded with the obligatory

U MAD BRO? meme photo

that is so old. it was a good game against Raps making any PO series very interesting giving that last PO series went to game 7

I was joking...

[OzCastiel]

Miami is a bunch of bum journeymen with an amazing coaching staff. Love what they're doing hope Spo gets a chance to coach some top talent again soon. They beat the breaks off toronto

[Sgt P]

As a Heats fan, you should have responded with the obligatory

U MAD BRO? meme photo

that is so old. it was a good game against Raps making any PO series very interesting giving that last PO series went to game 7

I was joking...

That was the perfect setup

Spoiler:

I couldn't help it.

[fishfuego.]

A raptors team who was on a second night of bad back to back, where they lost their star player in Lowry and played the game without him, and had their third offensive piece in Ibaka getting thrown out the game.

Oh yeah, and Miami won at the last second against this injured and deleted roster.

But cool.

Guess that's a statement win.

So many excuses. You will need more of them come playoffs time.

What excuses lol. Our records speak for itself.

Have fun being first round fodder.

Have fun winning ONE championship. Heck winning an ECF. Maybe even the “2nd round”.

[DBurks2818]

Uh oh, Heat vs. Raptors yesterday may end up getting this thread locked based on these last few comments (which is fine at this point IMO, since the statement has been made).

[Zingod]

This thread makes no sense. They're #4 seed.

[gom]

What happened to the Heat? Well, in three seasons, we lost Lebron James, Chris Bosh, and Dwyane Wade, all without pick compensation. In fact, we just finished (in 2016) paying for our Big-3 with draft picks. When we traded for Dragic, we still had two of those guys, but the same day we traded for Dragic, we learned about Bosh's blood clots. And the summer after we lost Wade to the Bulls. smh. I don't think any franchise can survive such a downfall.

Still, we scraped together a team, a scrappy team, and we have young pieces in place like Richardson, Bam, Winslow, TJ, Waiters. I think it's a great place to land if you're a young player trying to get into the league. Also, we owe only one pick after this season, so it's not as bad as it looks.

I'll tell you one thing: The games are fun to watch. The Heat are wild entertainment and a huge part of the Miami culture. A game at AAA is so much fun. The effort of the players is extraordinary. And, as much as Spo's choices leave me flustered, there is no argument that he is gifted.

I don't think we're a contender, but if we make it to the postseason (not a foregone conclusion--an injury to Dragic will crush us, for example), we'll be a tough out.

Next season we have a pick too. Let's hope for the best!

[Dr_Heat]

Watch on YouTube

[SFour]

a statement win on the road against the Raptors.

A raptors team who was on a second night of bad back to back, where they lost their star player in Lowry and played the game without him, and had their third offensive piece in Ibaka getting thrown out the game.

Oh yeah, and Miami won at the last second against this injured and deleted roster.

But cool.

Guess that's a statement win.

So many excuses. You will need more of them come playoffs time.

Can't wait for the "Heat in 5, Heat in 6, Heat in 7, Heat in 8"

[gom]

A raptors team who was on a second night of bad back to back, where they lost their star player in Lowry and played the game without him, and had their third offensive piece in Ibaka getting thrown out the game.

Oh yeah, and Miami won at the last second against this injured and deleted roster.

But cool.

Guess that's a statement win.

So many excuses. You will need more of them come playoffs time.

Can't wait for the "Heat in 5, Heat in 6, Heat in 7, Heat in 8"

Miami Heat 51 x 29 Toronto Raptors

2017-18 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
80. Jan 9, 2018 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 90 - 89
Heat won 1
51 - 29

2016-17 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
79. Apr 7, 2017 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 94 - 96
Raptors won 2
50 - 29
78. Mar 23, 2017 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors L 84 - 101
Raptors won 1
50 - 28
77. Mar 11, 2017 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 104 - 89
Heat won 1
50 - 27
76. Nov 4, 2016 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 87 - 96
Raptors won 4
49 - 27

2015-16 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
75. Mar 12, 2016 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 104 - 112 OT
Raptors won 3
49 - 26
74. Jan 22, 2016 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 81 - 101
Raptors won 2
49 - 25
73. Dec 18, 2015 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors L 94 - 108
Raptors won 1
49 - 24
72. Nov 8, 2015 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 96 - 76
Heat won 1
49 - 23

2014-15 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
71. Apr 11, 2015 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors L 104 - 107
Raptors won 2
48 - 23
70. Mar 13, 2015 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 92 - 102
Raptors won 1
48 - 22
69. Nov 2, 2014 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 107 - 102
Heat won 16
48 - 21

2013-14 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
68. Mar 31, 2014 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 93 - 83
Heat won 15
47 - 21
67. Jan 5, 2014 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 102 - 97
Heat won 14
46 - 21
66. Nov 29, 2013 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 90 - 83
Heat won 13
45 - 21
65. Nov 5, 2013 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 104 - 95
Heat won 12
44 - 21

2012-13 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
64. Mar 17, 2013 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 108 - 91
Heat won 11
43 - 21
63. Feb 3, 2013 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 100 - 85
Heat won 10
42 - 21
62. Jan 23, 2013 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 123 - 116 OT
Heat won 9
41 - 21

2011-12 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
61. Apr 18, 2012 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 96 - 72
Heat won 8
40 - 21
60. Mar 30, 2012 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 113 - 101
Heat won 7
39 - 21
59. Feb 5, 2012 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 95 - 89
Heat won 6
38 - 21

2010-11 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
58. Apr 13, 2011 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 97 - 79
Heat won 5
37 - 21
57. Feb 16, 2011 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 103 - 95
Heat won 4
36 - 21
56. Jan 22, 2011 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 120 - 103
Heat won 3
35 - 21
55. Nov 13, 2010 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 109 - 100
Heat won 2
34 - 21

2009-10 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
54. Mar 28, 2010 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 97 - 94
Heat won 1
33 - 21
53. Jan 27, 2010 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 103 - 111
Raptors won 1
32 - 21
52. Dec 15, 2009 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 115 - 95
Heat won 1
32 - 20
51. Nov 20, 2009 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 113 - 120
Raptors won 1
31 - 20

2008-09 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
50. Mar 6, 2009 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 108 - 102
Heat won 1
31 - 19
49. Nov 19, 2008 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors L 95 - 101
Raptors won 6
30 - 19
48. Nov 16, 2008 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 96 - 107
Raptors won 5
30 - 18

2007-08 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
47. Apr 14, 2008 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 75 - 91
Raptors won 4
30 - 17
46. Mar 19, 2008 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 54 - 96
Raptors won 3
30 - 16
45. Mar 5, 2008 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors L 83 - 108
Raptors won 2
30 - 15
44. Feb 4, 2008 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors L 82 - 114
Raptors won 1
30 - 14

2006-07 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
43. Apr 3, 2007 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 92 - 89
Heat won 1
30 - 13
42. Mar 28, 2007 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 83 - 96
Raptors won 1
29 - 13
41. Dec 11, 2006 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 99 - 77
Heat won 4
29 - 12

2005-06 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
40. Apr 11, 2006 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 106 - 97
Heat won 3
28 - 12
39. Mar 29, 2006 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 98 - 94
Heat won 2
27 - 12
38. Feb 27, 2006 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 101 - 94
Heat won 1
26 - 12
37. Nov 20, 2005 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 94 - 107
Raptors won 1
25 - 12

2004-05 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
36. Mar 29, 2005 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 103 - 91
Heat won 3
25 - 11
35. Jan 26, 2005 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 111 - 96
Heat won 2
24 - 11
34. Dec 12, 2004 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 106 - 98
Heat won 1
23 - 11
33. Nov 30, 2004 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors L 92 - 94
Raptors won 2
22 - 11

2003-04 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
32. Mar 2, 2004 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors L 86 - 89
Raptors won 1
22 - 10
31. Dec 14, 2003 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 90 - 89
Heat won 6
22 - 9
30. Nov 29, 2003 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 78 - 66
Heat won 5
21 - 9

2002-03 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
29. Apr 15, 2003 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 103 - 99
Heat won 4
20 - 9
28. Apr 8, 2003 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 89 - 83
Heat won 3
19 - 9
27. Mar 21, 2003 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 107 - 98
Heat won 2
18 - 9
26. Dec 20, 2002 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 97 - 77
Heat won 1
17 - 9

2001-02 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
25. Mar 27, 2002 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 80 - 81
Raptors won 3
16 - 9
24. Mar 8, 2002 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors L 74 - 83
Raptors won 2
16 - 8
23. Dec 23, 2001 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 76 - 83
Raptors won 1
16 - 7
22. Oct 31, 2001 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 97 - 92
Heat won 1
16 - 6

2000-01 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
21. Apr 13, 2001 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 82 - 94
Raptors won 2
15 - 6
20. Mar 27, 2001 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors L 92 - 101
Raptors won 1
15 - 5
19. Feb 15, 2001 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 98 - 91 OT
Heat won 3
15 - 4
18. Jan 24, 2001 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 103 - 83
Heat won 2
14 - 4

1999-00 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
17. Apr 18, 2000 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 97 - 73
Heat won 1
13 - 4
16. Jan 28, 2000 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 93 - 108
Raptors won 2
12 - 4
15. Nov 4, 1999 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 86 - 97
Raptors won 1
12 - 3

1998-99 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
14. Apr 6, 1999 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 92 - 70
Heat won 8
12 - 2
13. Mar 11, 1999 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 83 - 73
Heat won 7
11 - 2
12. Feb 11, 1999 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 102 - 84
Heat won 6
10 - 2

1997-98 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
11. Apr 10, 1998 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 111 - 105 OT
Heat won 5
9 - 2
10. Feb 15, 1998 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 116 - 95
Heat won 4
8 - 2
9. Nov 22, 1997 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 108 - 104
Heat won 3
7 - 2
8. Oct 31, 1997 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 114 - 101
Heat won 2
6 - 2

1996-97 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
7. Apr 5, 1997 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 98 - 84
Heat won 1
5 - 2
6. Mar 30, 1997 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors L 97 - 102
Raptors won 1
4 - 2
5. Jan 23, 1997 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 99 - 87
Heat won 3
4 - 1
4. Dec 14, 1996 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 89 - 88
Heat won 2
3 - 1

1995-96 Season
Score Streak Head-to-Head
3. Mar 8, 1996 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors W 109 - 79
Heat won 1
2 - 1
2. Feb 13, 1996 Miami Heat vs. Toronto Raptors L 87 - 98
Raptors won 1
1 - 1
1. Dec 3, 1995 Miami Heat @ Toronto Raptors W 112 - 94
Heat won 1
1 - 0

[DusterBuster]

I’m a University student who’d watch them a lot last season & they looked like a terror going into this season.

I’m on an internship so I haven’t been able to catch too much Heat basketball.

In your opinion what happened to them?


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It's the 2015 Blazers effect. Have a scrappy young team that's thrown together on the fly and takes the league by surprise. A year later, other teams have had a chance to build a thorough scouting report on them and all the things that caught other teams off-guard aren't new anymore and the rest of the league catches up quickly.

Those scrappy underdogs are good stories for a year, but they have a really short shelf-life in the minds of NBA fans.

[gom]

I’m a University student who’d watch them a lot last season & they looked like a terror going into this season.

I’m on an internship so I haven’t been able to catch too much Heat basketball.

In your opinion what happened to them?


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It's the 2015 Blazers effect. Have a scrappy young team that's thrown together on the fly and takes the league by surprise. A year later, other teams have had a chance to build a thorough scouting report on them and all the things that caught other teams off-guard aren't new anymore and the rest of the league catches up quickly.

Those scrappy underdogs are good stories for a year, but they have a really short shelf-life in the minds of NBA fans.

I still admire the 2015 Blazers. Great to watch. Didn't tank when everyone told them to do it.

[DusterBuster]

I’m a University student who’d watch them a lot last season & they looked like a terror going into this season.

I’m on an internship so I haven’t been able to catch too much Heat basketball.

In your opinion what happened to them?


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It's the 2015 Blazers effect. Have a scrappy young team that's thrown together on the fly and takes the league by surprise. A year later, other teams have had a chance to build a thorough scouting report on them and all the things that caught other teams off-guard aren't new anymore and the rest of the league catches up quickly.

Those scrappy underdogs are good stories for a year, but they have a really short shelf-life in the minds of NBA fans.

I still admire the 2015 Blazers. Great to watch. Didn't tank when everyone told them to do it.

Same with last years Heat. Unfortunately, both teams share the same DNA of those scrappy underdogs, but they generally have pretty middle-of-the-road potential because of why I listed. The players they built around are solid players, but none are superstars and generally all of them were fairly unknown to scouts around the league since they didn't get a ton of playing time in previous seasons. Once they did and other teams get wind of it.... that kinda caps the teams potential fairly fast and they never take that "next step".

Also unfortunately for teams like the Blazers and Heat, they're such a good story that ownership and management buy into the hype and resign the core to big contracts. Blazers in particular where in a tough spot because nearly every guy they brought in for that surprising year was expiring at the same time. Miami had a kinda similar situation and pushed their chips in on the underdog. It's easy to want to root for that, but the reality of the NBA is that that gamble doesn't really pay off very often.

[HOOOMAN]

was thoroughly surprised at adebayo. he was so tough defensively but also squashed us downlow on offense.

not a huge fan of the makeup of this team but all the credit to spoelstra for taking a bunch of scrap players and having them play above their potential.

[gom]

It's the 2015 Blazers effect. Have a scrappy young team that's thrown together on the fly and takes the league by surprise. A year later, other teams have had a chance to build a thorough scouting report on them and all the things that caught other teams off-guard aren't new anymore and the rest of the league catches up quickly.

Those scrappy underdogs are good stories for a year, but they have a really short shelf-life in the minds of NBA fans.

I still admire the 2015 Blazers. Great to watch. Didn't tank when everyone told them to do it.

Same with last years Heat. Unfortunately, both teams share the same DNA of those scrappy underdogs, but they generally have pretty middle-of-the-road potential because of why I listed. The players they built around are solid players, but none are superstars and generally all of them were fairly unknown to scouts around the league since they didn't get a ton of playing time in previous seasons. Once they did and other teams get wind of it.... that kinda caps the teams potential fairly fast and they never take that "next step".

Also unfortunately for teams like the Blazers and Heat, they're such a good story that ownership and management buy into the hype and resign the core to big contracts. Blazers in particular where in a tough spot because nearly every guy they brought in for that surprising year was expiring at the same time. Miami had a kinda similar situation and pushed their chips in on the underdog. It's easy to want to root for that, but the reality of the NBA is that that gamble doesn't really pay off very often.

I really don't see it as a problem as long as we make the playoffs. We're not going to win a championship. The Cavs and Warriors are too good at the moment and Boston and the Rockets are waiting in line. By the time we pay off our debts, we'll have rebuilt around our younger players who will have playoff experience already.

A few years from now we'll have cap space and be able to pursue free agents. Miami is a great city and excellent place to play. Players know this.

[gom]

was thoroughly surprised at adebayo. he was so tough defensively but also squashed us downlow on offense.

not a huge fan of the makeup of this team but all the credit to spoelstra for taking a bunch of scrap players and having them play above their potential.

I like Anunoby and Mitchell a lot too. Last draft was very good. Great for everyone.

Meanwhile, the team does a stealth rebuild in place and the fans are entertained. As I stated before, a game at AAA is a thrilling experience. I've seen us when we suck too. What we cannot stand is a pathetic effort. Players are expected to play to win. That doesn't work with a culture that accepts tanking.

We had enough losing last season. If we make it to the postseason, maybe we'll have a spoiler role. I'd like that.

"Them belly full but we hungry."

[maisenza13]

Injuries don't help them, but last year gave their best in the second part of season. Maybe a coach choice is to focus all energies on the second part of the season

[DusterBuster]

I still admire the 2015 Blazers. Great to watch. Didn't tank when everyone told them to do it.

Same with last years Heat. Unfortunately, both teams share the same DNA of those scrappy underdogs, but they generally have pretty middle-of-the-road potential because of why I listed. The players they built around are solid players, but none are superstars and generally all of them were fairly unknown to scouts around the league since they didn't get a ton of playing time in previous seasons. Once they did and other teams get wind of it.... that kinda caps the teams potential fairly fast and they never take that "next step".

Also unfortunately for teams like the Blazers and Heat, they're such a good story that ownership and management buy into the hype and resign the core to big contracts. Blazers in particular where in a tough spot because nearly every guy they brought in for that surprising year was expiring at the same time. Miami had a kinda similar situation and pushed their chips in on the underdog. It's easy to want to root for that, but the reality of the NBA is that that gamble doesn't really pay off very often.

I really don't see it as a problem as long as we make the playoffs. We're not going to win a championship. The Cavs and Warriors are too good at the moment and Boston and the Rockets are waiting in line. By the time we pay off our debts, we'll have rebuilt around our younger players who will have playoff experience already.

Miami is a great place to play. Players know this.

This has actually been my argument to Blazer fans upset by the current situation the team finds themselves in financially. It's causing a real apathy for fans, but I've been telling Portland fans that it's league wide because of how little parity there is in the NBA right now. Blazers and Heat are in this huge swath of "good-ish" teams that the league is filled with. Might as well just ride it out. All the cap space in the world isn't gonna get 90% of the teams in the league to compete with the likes of the Warriors or Cavs, so like... whatever /shrug. Sure money could be spent better, but even in the best case scenario, if you hit every pick and FA signing out of the park, can you compete with the current Warriors? No.

Oddly enough, I think the Heat and Blazers may make decent trade partners this season since they have similar issues and probably will have trouble finding takes for their expensive/underpreforming players. If they're gonna be stuck with expensive players, might as well shuffle them around and see if a new team may open things up for some of the guys like Turner, Leonard, T. Johnson and J. Johnson (not suggesting a trade of those guys, just giving examples of types of players).

[Green Backpack]

I like the Heat. They have some good players that seem to gel well together. They can also be tough defensively which is what they need in the playoffs.