Michael Beasley

[I Never Lied]

1. Blatche started putting up those stats at the beginning of the season... Off the bench as the sixth man, while that team was projected to be top 4 in the east.

2. What do you mean before he really didn't do anything??? He was given 31.5 minutes as a rookie and he posted 10, 4, 4 very efficiently. A 6'7 guard-forward that can pass and rebound. During the 03-04 season he posted 17, 4, 5, and 1.1 steals. Didn't do anything....???

3. Bogut, my favooooooooorite...... Of course he got that extension! He was their #1 pick! They were all hoping he would develop to what he is now, but up until the second half of this season everyone was down on this guy. Even Kwame Brown got a similar contract when he was resigned.

4. You have a point there for Gerald Wallace, he was very injury prone.

With all that aside, I don't think it's time to label Beasley a huge bust. Overrated before being drafted? Definitely, will he live up to it? Hell no. But I can see Beasley putting up 18 and 8 efficiently some day.

1. I've been attending Wizards games regularly since 02'. Go to the Wizards board, Blacthe has been this good for quite some time now. He didn’t develop anything appreciable over the last two years. He was just playing behind Jamision....you know, the all-star and far removed from the hot trash on the Heat roster that Beasley is often superseded by.

2. Well Mooper8's argument was that Joe Johnson took years upon years to develop. Mine was the opposite and I pointed out that he played on a loaded Suns squad and still exhibited traits that got him his 70 million dollar contract. So I'm not sure what your point is.

3. No it had absolutely nothing to do with him being the Bucks #1 pick, Bogut was given his money because he's always shot at least 53% FG (Beasley shoots 44%) and rebounded relatively well (was a 10 RPG guy by his third season and even in his rookie year still was a better Rebounder than Beasley). Even when you strip all that away , Bogut was still a skilled 7 foot 250lb body and not a 6' 7 jump shooting tweener; so the incentive to lock Bogut up long term was already there. And who the hell told you Kwame got a similar contract?? Because he didn’t.

4. Of course I'm right about Wallace, just like I'm right about the other three.


As long as Beasley’s primary method of scoring is that of a SF, he will NEVER put up 18 and 8 EFFICIENTLY. And if he does it will be on a Piping HOT garbage team.

[I Never Lied]

Yeah, you had better edit, because I've made my case too well. You are using the same situational factors to support Beasley yet take issue with me when I use them to show he has nothing in common with Mooper8's examples. You cant have it both ways.

I'm confused...I'm not trying to pick a fight, and I edited because it seemed you were misunderstanding my intentions. I agree with a lot of what has been said about Beasley but like I said, I don't think it makes a lot of sense for you to call him a bust as his second season comes to a close. But, you seem convinced I guess so agree to disagree..

Sorry man, I just didn’t want you to succumb to the belief that Beasley is somehow being restricted and has a bad role. The problem is that he's a PF but doesn’t play like one. So to "open up" the offense up for Beasley to get his numbers would mean the Teams PF would be shooting ISO midrange jumpers like a SG and rebounding like a SF. This would spell instant disaster for the team and would mean they'd suck gargantuan balls. Hence Maimi is trying desperately to find a real scoring big man and is ready to spend 120 million to do it.

Let Beasley roam free and he puts up 19/8 shooting 46% but the team blows heavy sack. Make him play like a real PF and he‘s a bust. Its a fail anyway you slice it.

[SOUP]

1. Blatche started putting up those stats at the beginning of the season... Off the bench as the sixth man, while that team was projected to be top 4 in the east.

2. What do you mean before he really didn't do anything??? He was given 31.5 minutes as a rookie and he posted 10, 4, 4 very efficiently. A 6'7 guard-forward that can pass and rebound. During the 03-04 season he posted 17, 4, 5, and 1.1 steals. Didn't do anything....???

3. Bogut, my favooooooooorite...... Of course he got that extension! He was their #1 pick! They were all hoping he would develop to what he is now, but up until the second half of this season everyone was down on this guy. Even Kwame Brown got a similar contract when he was resigned.

4. You have a point there for Gerald Wallace, he was very injury prone.

With all that aside, I don't think it's time to label Beasley a huge bust. Overrated before being drafted? Definitely, will he live up to it? Hell no. But I can see Beasley putting up 18 and 8 efficiently some day.

1. I've been attending Wizards games regularly since 02'. Go to the Wizards board, Blacthe has been this good for quite some time now. He didn’t develop anything appreciable over the last two years. He was just playing behind Jamision....you know, the all-star and far removed from the hot trash on the Heat roster that Beasley is often superseded by.

2. Well Mooper8's argument was that Joe Johnson took years upon years to develop. Mine was the opposite and I pointed out that he played on a loaded Suns squad and still exhibited traits that got him his 70 million dollar contract. So I'm not sure what your point is.

3. No it had absolutely nothing to do with him being the Bucks #1 pick, Bogut was given his money because he's always shot at least 53% FG (Beasley shoots 44%) and rebounded relatively well (was a 10 RPG guy by his third season and even in his rookie year still was a better Rebounder than Beasley). Even when you strip all that away , Bogut was still a skilled 7 foot 250lb body and not a 6' 7 jump shooting tweener; so the incentive to lock Bogut up long term was already there. And who the hell told you Kwame got a similar contract?? Because he didn’t.

4. Of course I'm right about Wallace, just like I'm right about the other three.


As long as Beasley’s primary method of scoring is that of a SF, he will NEVER put up 18 and 8 EFFICIENTLY. And if he does it will be on a Piping HOT garbage team.

1. So you're trying to tell me Blatche could of posted up numbers like he has this year 2-3 years ago???

2. I was defending the fact that you said Joe Johnson didn't do anything, just was projected to have so much potential they offered him that contract, which is WRONG.


3. Kwame was still getting overpayed far more than what he was worth, due to his potential, which is what I was trying to compare with Bogut. At the time Bogut was not worth that contract, he was injury prone and severely lacked an offensive game. Difference is Bogut DID show progress, while Kwame Brown........ enough said.

[I Never Lied]

1. So you're trying to tell me Blatche could of posted up numbers like he has this year 2-3 years ago???

2. I was defending the fact that you said Joe Johnson didn't do anything, just was projected to have so much potential they offered him that contract, which is WRONG.


3. Kwame was still getting overpayed far more than what he was worth, due to his potential, which is what I was trying to compare with Bogut. At the time Bogut was not worth that contract, he was injury prone and severely lacked an offensive game. Difference is Bogut DID show progress, while Kwame Brown........ enough said.

4. Already agreed upon.

1. As I said before, GO TO THE WIZARDS BOARD if you don't believe me. Blatche has been just as good as he is now for quite some time. You must also take into consideration he is the first option on a team full scrubs and bums so don’t go overboard and fall in love with his numbers.

2. Ok I was mistaken, JJ has always been good, but then that just means his name shouldn’t have even been brought up in this discussion in Mooper8's attempt to defend Beasley as a late bloomer. So lets just stop talking about Joe Johnson all together.

3. You are way off base about Bogut, Bogut was 9 and 7 as rookie, 12 and 9 his second year and 14 and 10 the year he was given the big contract. He had shown steady improvement, excellent rebounding and always shot at least 52%. WTF else do you want from your Center, especially in today’s day and age with the crap Centers in abundance? And Kwame Brown got a short term 3year/24 Million dollar deal. Which is peanuts compared to Bogut's

[SOUP]

1. So you're trying to tell me Blatche could of posted up numbers like he has this year 2-3 years ago???

2. I was defending the fact that you said Joe Johnson didn't do anything, just was projected to have so much potential they offered him that contract, which is WRONG.


3. Kwame was still getting overpayed far more than what he was worth, due to his potential, which is what I was trying to compare with Bogut. At the time Bogut was not worth that contract, he was injury prone and severely lacked an offensive game. Difference is Bogut DID show progress, while Kwame Brown........ enough said.

4. Already agreed upon.

1. As I said before, GO TO THE WIZARDS BOARD if you don't believe me. Blatche has been just as good as he is now for quite some time. You must also take into consideration he is the first option on a team full scrubs and bums so don’t go overboard and fall in love with his numbers.

2. Ok I was mistaken, JJ has always been good, but then that just means his name shouldn’t have even been brought up in this discussion in Mooper8's attempt to defend Beasley as a late bloomer. So lets just stop talking about Joe Johnson all together.

3. You are way off base about Bogut, Bogut was 9 and 7 as rookie, 12 and 9 his second year and 14 and 10 the year he was given the big contract. He had shown steady improvement, excellent rebounding and always shot at least 52%. WTF else do you want from your Center, especially in today’s day and age with the crap Centers in abundance? And Kwame Brown got a short term 3year/24 Million dollar deal. Which is peanuts compared to Bogut's

1. I love the argument of "just because he's on a bad team those numbers mean nothing". So when Caron Butler, Gilbert Arenas, and Mike Miller weren't around last season, and Jamison was putting up his great stats, I guess he's just a stat stuffer. Just like Brook Lopez is a stat stuffer, don't forget Tyreke Evans, Troy Murphy, Stephen Curry, Andre Iguodala, Kevin Love etc........ I guess they all just suck.

2. You have to take into consideration his injury prone-ness, and also after he signed that contract that 14 and 10 didnt improve much. His offense remained non-existant and no one knew who the Bucks were until recently. You can even ask most Bucks fans that for a #1 pick they were a bit disappointed in him. Specially when you're drafted ahead of Deron Williams and Chris Paul. (Not bashing on Bogut, for all you Bogut defenders out there ready to kill me)

Nonetheless, we're getting way too off-topic, Beasley had a good efficient game today against the Knicks, that should shut up the Gallinari lovers.

Beasley 6-9, 1-2, 3-6
16 pts, 7 rbs, 3 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk

Gallinari 5-19, 1-9, 8-8
19 pts, 7rbs, 3ast, 1stl, 0 blk

Heat win 111-98

[Chosen01]

i knew Gal was chucking, but damn 5-19? and the guy is a flopper, im starting to hate him more than vareflop.

Yea Even though heat won, wade was forcing it, and missed Beasley on some nice cuts.. Haslem took more shots than him and roughly more minutes(excluding garbage time) even though Beasley was having a good all around game.. basically shows you how much Heat love Haslem.

[I Never Lied]

1. I love the argument of "just because he's on a bad team those numbers mean nothing". So when Caron Butler, Gilbert Arenas, and Mike Miller weren't around last season, and Jamison was putting up his great stats, I guess he's just a stat stuffer. Just like Brook Lopez is a stat stuffer, don't forget Tyreke Evans, Troy Murphy, Stephen Curry, Andre Iguodala, Kevin Love etc........ I guess they all just suck.

2. You have to take into consideration his injury prone-ness, and also after he signed that contract that 14 and 10 didnt improve much. His offense remained non-existant and no one knew who the Bucks were until recently. You can even ask most Bucks fans that for a #1 pick they were a bit disappointed in him. Specially when you're drafted ahead of Deron Williams and Chris Paul. (Not bashing on Bogut, for all you Bogut defenders out there ready to kill me)

Nonetheless, we're getting way too off-topic, Beasley had a good efficient game today against the Knicks, that should shut up the Gallinari lovers.

Beasley 6-9, 1-2, 3-6
16 pts, 7 rbs, 3 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk

Gallinari 5-19, 1-9, 8-8
19 pts, 7rbs, 3ast, 1stl, 0 blk

Heat win 111-98

1. I never said Blatche was bad to begin with, I just mean he's really not a 24/10 guy. And yes Kevin Love does suck....

2. The point was he showed promise and was always a good rebounder. So its easy to see why Bogut got that 60 million especially considering what Varajao and Dalambert reeled in.



Ah so I see Beasley did reativley well TODAY......I just may have been wrong after all

18 Foot Jumper 2:46 1st quarter
18 Foot Jumper 10:11 3rd quarter
18 Foot Jumper 9:40 3rd quarter
24 Foot 3-pointer 7:22 3rd quarter
19 Foot Jumper 3:47 3rd quarter

Beasley missed the one and only shot he took inside the paint today.


Can you remember the last time Beasley grabbed 10 rebounds? I mean sheesh, you can do it at least once in a while. Its like he has a big rebounding game once a month, but I guess when your 6' 7" you can only do but so much. Now you see why Miami is about to throw 120 million Dollars at Amare/Bosh.

Undersized Jump shooting tweener bust.

[Hallstar]

he got to the line, those 6 fts came out of thin air?

I can't stand arguing with boxscore analysts. Watch the game or don't comment

[SOUP]

1. I love the argument of "just because he's on a bad team those numbers mean nothing". So when Caron Butler, Gilbert Arenas, and Mike Miller weren't around last season, and Jamison was putting up his great stats, I guess he's just a stat stuffer. Just like Brook Lopez is a stat stuffer, don't forget Tyreke Evans, Troy Murphy, Stephen Curry, Andre Iguodala, Kevin Love etc........ I guess they all just suck.

2. You have to take into consideration his injury prone-ness, and also after he signed that contract that 14 and 10 didnt improve much. His offense remained non-existant and no one knew who the Bucks were until recently. You can even ask most Bucks fans that for a #1 pick they were a bit disappointed in him. Specially when you're drafted ahead of Deron Williams and Chris Paul. (Not bashing on Bogut, for all you Bogut defenders out there ready to kill me)

Nonetheless, we're getting way too off-topic, Beasley had a good efficient game today against the Knicks, that should shut up the Gallinari lovers.

Beasley 6-9, 1-2, 3-6
16 pts, 7 rbs, 3 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk

Gallinari 5-19, 1-9, 8-8
19 pts, 7rbs, 3ast, 1stl, 0 blk

Heat win 111-98

1. I never said Blatche was bad to begin with, I just mean he's really not a 24/10 guy. And yes Kevin Love does suck....

2. The point was he showed promise and was always a good rebounder. So its easy to see why Bogut got that 60 million especially considering what Varajao and Dalambert reeled in.



Ah so I see Beasley did reativley well TODAY......I just may have been wrong after all

18 Foot Jumper 2:46 1st quarter
18 Foot Jumper 10:11 3rd quarter
18 Foot Jumper 9:40 3rd quarter
24 Foot 3-pointer 7:22 3rd quarter
19 Foot Jumper 3:47 3rd quarter

Beasley missed the one and only shot he took inside the paint today.


Can you remember the last time Beasley grabbed 10 rebounds? I mean sheesh, you can do it at least once in a while. Its like he has a big rebounding game once a month, but I guess when your 6' 7" you can only do but so much. Now you see why Miami is about to throw 120 million Dollars at Amare/Bosh.

Undersized Jump shooting tweener bust.

Varejao and Dalembert where signed after Bogut, it really makes that argument weak. AGAIN, now YOU go to the Bucks board and ask before the second half of this season what they thought about drafting Bogut and giving him a 60M contract over drafting Deron Williams or Chris Paul.

Kevin Love does not suck!

I guess 6 Free throw attempts didn't count for much.

[I Never Lied]

he got to the line, those 6 fts came out of thin air?

I can't stand arguing with boxscore analysts. Watch the game or don't comment

Good for him, I said he did relatively well TODAY. But he still only averages 3 FTA a game. But to be honest I don’t even really care about that, when was the last time this jump shooting tweener grabbed 10 rebounds? If you claim he has the potential and has yet to develop it would be nice to see him do it every now and then instead of almost never.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

I Never Lied is an epic troll, just about 100 posts and I'd venture every single one is about what a bust Michael Beasley is.

[mopper8]

I don't understand why people are still feeding this troll.

[I Never Lied]

Varejao and Dalembert where signed after Bogut, it really makes that argument weak. AGAIN, now YOU go to the Bucks board and ask before the second half of this season what they thought about drafting Bogut and giving him a 60M contract over drafting Deron Williams or Chris Paul.

Kevin Love does not suck!

I guess 6 Free throw attempts didn't count for much.

Well if you wanna keep it real, I’m not really defending Bogut when you Mention names like Williams and Paul. If you wanna crown him a bust because he will never be as good as them then go right ahead, you wont find any resistance from me. But the fact still remains Bogut REBOUNDS WELL and plays good defense. That’s all you can really ask from a center now a days. If Beasley averaged 5 ppg but could at least rebound well, I SWEAR TO JESUS I WOULD NOT BE CALLING HIM A BUST. But don’t come in here being 6' 7" and shooting jumpers and you don’t even rebound, that’s blasphemous.


And to hell with a Kevin Love.

[King of Troy]

Gallinari is the better player.

He can have a terrible shooting night like he did tonight and still help out in other areas of the game.

Can you say that about Micheal?

Seriously, this is coming from the biggest Beasley fan. I loved the kid in HS, College, and I wanted everything for the Knicks to draft him. But so far he has just disappointed. Sometimes I watch him play and just don't get what happened.

Anyone using one game to justify anything is either extremely naive or someone who is losing an argument and clinging to any shred of empirical evidence they can muster.

[dwade3]

What? how did Galo help out in other areas of the game? he played extra 9 min and had the same amount of rebound as beasly..same amount of assist...galos single handily shot the knicks out of the game with his step back three where he shot 1-9...

[CoolD]

Let me ask you a question I Never Lied, is Marvin william a bust, dude was drafted number 2 for the Hawks 5 years ago.

He is solid rotation player, but never has lived up to the hype of a second pick.
I think Beasley has been a solid rotation player, Heat the year before Beasley, we sucked with 15 wins.
Last year 43
This year 45 and maybe 47 by years end.

Beasley has help the Heat, and will he become the next Durant? I truly doubt it, but the kid has started for a team better than Blatche.

[mopper8]

Gallinari is the better player.

He can have a terrible shooting night like he did tonight and still help out in other areas of the game.

Can you say that about Micheal?

Seriously, this is coming from the biggest Beasley fan. I loved the kid in HS, College, and I wanted everything for the Knicks to draft him. But so far he has just disappointed. Sometimes I watch him play and just don't get what happened.

Anyone using one game to justify anything is either extremely naive or someone who is losing an argument and clinging to any shred of empirical evidence they can muster.

You don't need one game to argue Beas is the better player. They score at nearly an identical rate per game (14.7 to 14.8), but Beasley does so in fewer minutes (Gallo is more efficient though). Ass% is nearly identical, assists-36 is nearly identical, Beasley rebounds at a much higher rate and has a higher PER...I just don't see the evidence that Gallo is obviously the better player.

And Beasley is doing it on a playoff team. I don't get it. Statistically speaking, they're having nearly identical seasons, with a slight edge to Beasley (to the extent you think PER is a good judge of that stuff)...who needs one game to point that out?

[CoolD]

Gallinari is the better player.

He can have a terrible shooting night like he did tonight and still help out in other areas of the game.

Can you say that about Micheal?

Seriously, this is coming from the biggest Beasley fan. I loved the kid in HS, College, and I wanted everything for the Knicks to draft him. But so far he has just disappointed. Sometimes I watch him play and just don't get what happened.

Anyone using one game to justify anything is either extremely naive or someone who is losing an argument and clinging to any shred of empirical evidence they can muster.

You don't need one game to argue Beas is the better player. They score at nearly an identical rate per game (14.7 to 14.8), but Beasley does so in fewer minutes (Gallo is more efficient though). Ass% is nearly identical, assists-36 is nearly identical, Beasley rebounds at a much higher rate and has a higher PER...I just don't see the evidence that Gallo is obviously the better player.

And Beasley is doing it on a playoff team. I don't get it. Statistically speaking, they're having nearly identical seasons, with a slight edge to Beasley (to the extent you think PER is a good judge of that stuff)...who needs one game to point that out?

And our defense on most nights, is light years ahead of the Knicks. Gallo on our system wouldn't play a minute, that is how strict we are about defense.

[SOUP]

Varejao and Dalembert where signed after Bogut, it really makes that argument weak. AGAIN, now YOU go to the Bucks board and ask before the second half of this season what they thought about drafting Bogut and giving him a 60M contract over drafting Deron Williams or Chris Paul.

Kevin Love does not suck!

I guess 6 Free throw attempts didn't count for much.

Well if you wanna keep it real, I’m not really defending Bogut when you Mention names like Williams and Paul. If you wanna crown him a bust because he will never be as good as them then go right ahead, you wont find any resistance from me. But the fact still remains Bogut REBOUNDS WELL and plays good defense. That’s all you can really ask from a center now a days. If Beasley averaged 5 ppg but could at least rebound well, I SWEAR TO JESUS I WOULD NOT BE CALLING HIM A BUST. But don’t come in here being 6' 7" and shooting jumpers and you don’t even rebound, that’s blasphemous.


And to hell with a Kevin Love.

I never labeled Bogut a bust! I think he's a good center. Was just pointing out how up until this season he wasn't worth is contract.

I'm done though, I'm not sure if you're a troll or not, but your constant hate towards Beasley doesn't really help your cause.

[Chosen01]

Gallinari is the better player.

He can have a terrible shooting night like he did tonight and still help out in other areas of the game.

Can you say that about Micheal?

Seriously, this is coming from the biggest Beasley fan. I loved the kid in HS, College, and I wanted everything for the Knicks to draft him. But so far he has just disappointed. Sometimes I watch him play and just don't get what happened.

Anyone using one game to justify anything is either extremely naive or someone who is losing an argument and clinging to any shred of empirical evidence they can muster.

LOL at gallo bein a better player than beasley..srsly..

Gallo is a noticeably worse rebounder, Beasley is the better scorer, avgs equal ppg in less minutes , ON a playoff team. While Gallo is avg his ppg with no superstar or vet to tkae mins from him, and plays in an uptempo style of play, that doesn't focus on defense to take any engery away from him.

Gallo is a better Flopper than Beasley, I'll give him that.