Jan Vesely is the best 6'11+ athlete in NBA history

Dr Pepper · Post #101 » by **Dr Pepper** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:25 pm

Vesely is impressive but here's some some of David Robinson's athleticism on display in this sequence who also played SF until he grew into a 7 footer during college IIRC :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKVqpXl3M18

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKVqpXl3M18[/youtube]

WhateverBro · Post #102 » by **WhateverBro** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 7:48 pm

jinxed wrote:
DRob and KG are FREAKS for sure, and way better players than Jan will ever be. That's not in dispute.

But can you give a legitimate argument that shows Drob/KG had a higher vertical, more agility than Jan (who plays SF) etc? I'm all ears.

Lol, you do know that Garnett came into the league as a SF, right?

I've seen enough footage of Vesely to know he's not as athletic as Garnett, that's ridiculous. Also, I cracked a smile when I saw that you believe that Vesely has more stamina than a prime KG.. the one who logged in about 40 mpg for a season and had playoff series in which he played 44+ minutes per game. Yeah..

jinxed · Post #103 » by **jinxed** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 8:00 pm

WhateverBro wrote:
jinxed wrote:
DRob and KG are FREAKS for sure, and way better players than Jan will ever be. That's not in dispute.

But can you give a legitimate argument that shows Drob/KG had a higher vertical, more agility than Jan (who plays SF) etc? I'm all ears.

Lol, you do know that Garnett came into the league as a SF, right?

I've seen enough footage of Vesely to know he's not as athletic as Garnett, that's ridiculous. Also, I cracked a smile when I saw that you believe that Vesely has more stamina than a prime KG.. the one who logged in about 40 mpg for a season and had playoff series in which he played 44+ minutes per game. Yeah..

KG did not play SF when he came into the league. His rookie season the Twolves lineup once KG became a starter was...

1.Isiah Rider
2.Terry Porter
3.Tom Gugliotta
4. KG
5. Laettner

And on his draft day card he was listed as PF/C

...KG has great stamina..for sure..but it's not as tiring playing down low as it is chasing people on the perimeter..

so tell me..how is he more athletic? Faster? Jumps higher? tell me. or better..SHOW me..

Kabookalu · Post #104 » by **Kabookalu** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 8:13 pm

Vertical is the single most overrated aspect of an athlete and it happens to be the trait that Vesely most excels in. Coordination and body control are much more important imo, and while Vesely is nice there, he's not amazing.

doctorfunk · Post #105 » by **doctorfunk** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 8:47 pm

well choker he is insanely fast for 6'11 guy, and speed is perhaps most important part of athleticism

Kabookalu · Post #106 » by **Kabookalu** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 9:19 pm

doctorfunk wrote:well choker he is insanely fast for 6'11 guy, and speed is perhaps most important part of athleticism

Disagree, I still think it's coordination and body control. I don't have the time to break it down but the one thing I find most common in star players is that they're very well coordinated. Even if Pierce can't jump out of the building or out run most perimeter players, he's very well coordinated as an athlete. Barbosa is one of the fastest players in the league, but sometimes his body can't keep up with his speed and he throws up wild lay ups because he couldn't control his own momentum.

Chalk1 · Post #107 » by **Chalk1** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 9:38 pm

UcanUwill wrote:Jan's body looks a lot like Garnett's, but Jan is sure runs faster an jumps higher... KG is smoother no doubt, but thats about it, Jan sure is a better athlete...

Chalk1 · Post #108 » by **Chalk1** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 9:46 pm

jinxed wrote: dunk at 3:55...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a9zhY-3ZKM[/youtube]

Post #109 » by **tsherkin** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 10:01 pm

doctorfunk wrote:He is a good defender in the post and man2man, his rebounding is bad and his help defense is bad that why he never should have played center imo.

No, he is an ACCEPTABLE post defender. Kwame Brown is a GOOD post defender. Kurt Thomas was a GOOD post defender. Bargs is slightly above-average most nights, he is not "good" at defense. I'll grant this, he knows how to use height against smaller offensive players in the post. But remember, when he plays the 5, he almost never plays against competent scorers, so his post defense is also rarely tested.

Tave · Post #110 » by **Tave** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 10:03 pm

Chalk1 wrote:
jinxed wrote: dunk at 3:55...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a9zhY-3ZKM[/youtube]

I don't get it. It's a nice dunk, but it's a dunk that Griffin, Howard, McGee, and Jordan have all done on many different occasions. KG got up that high when he was younger too. The list goes on and on.

Don't get me wrong, the kid looks like a phenomenal athlete, but "best [big] athlete it NBA history?" No, doesn't look like it to me.

NickAnderson · Post #111 » by **NickAnderson** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 10:13 pm

Tave wrote:Don't get me wrong, the kid looks like a phenomenal athlete, but "best [big] athlete it NBA history?" No, doesn't look like it to me.

Exactly..

EddieJonesFan · Post #112 » by **EddieJonesFan** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 10:26 pm

Jonathan Bender? Anthony Randolph?

doctorfunk · Post #113 » by **doctorfunk** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 11:41 pm

Choker wrote:
doctorfunk wrote:well choker he is insanely fast for 6'11 guy, and speed is perhaps most important part of athleticism

Disagree, I still think it's coordination and body control.

How much of it is skill and how much talent? That is the question. See Kobe he really polished his moves, same for Pierce hard to say where their talent ends and skill begins. And Barbosa is great finnisher he finnishes most of his layups tbh - he seems well coordinated to me, he doesn't have much superb ballhandling skills though.

To conclude I think a great deal of coordination is learned by repetition, that's why skill often beats athleticism in basketball but perhaps you have to put somewhere there some form of natural coordination.

7-Day Dray · Post #114 » by **7-Day Dray** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 11:57 pm

doctorfunk wrote:
Choker wrote:
doctorfunk wrote:well choker he is insanely fast for 6'11 guy, and speed is perhaps most important part of athleticism

Disagree, I still think it's coordination and body control.

To conclude I think a great deal of coordination is learned by repetition, that's why skill often beats athleticism in basketball but perhaps you have to put somewhere there some form of natural coordination.

A lot of people gain coordination playing other ie soccer.

fugop · Post #115 » by **fugop** » Mon Nov 7, 2011 12:52 am

Vesely won't even be the best 6'11" athlete on the Wizards. McGee is certainly more athletic, and probably has 2-3 inches height and 4-5 inches reach on the guy.

Highlight films are absolutely worthless. I'm a Wizards fan, and I hope Vesely pans out, but I was disappointed with the pick, and I have higher expectations for Singleton, to be honest. We've got a lot of raw athletes with minimal basketball skill, and it's unclear how any of them are going to develop: McGee, Seraphin, Booker, Vesely. Crawford has skill, but an uncertain mental outlook, and Blatche has skill, but a certain (bad) mental outlook and no professionalism when it comes to maintaining his body.

I hope either Seraphin or Vesely become competent PFs -- Seraphin will need to dramatically improve his perimeter defense, develop his jumper, and stay out of foul trouble. He looked solid in very limited time with France this fall. I'm not sure what Vesely will need to work on, since I haven't seen his game.

Honestly, if Booker develops a perimeter shot, he might be our best bet at PF, despite being undersized. He could easily end up in the Paul Millsap, Carl Landry camp.

Grits n Gravy · Post #116 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Mon Nov 7, 2011 1:04 am

fugop wrote:Vesely won't even be the best 6'11" athlete on the Wizards. McGee is certainly more athletic, and probably has 2-3 inches height and 4-5 inches reach on the guy.

Highlight films are absolutely worthless. I'm a Wizards fan, and I hope Vesely pans out, but I was disappointed with the pick, and I have higher expectations for Singleton, to be honest. We've got a lot of raw athletes with minimal basketball skill, and it's unclear how any of them are going to develop: McGee, Seraphin, Booker, Vesely. Crawford has skill, but an uncertain mental outlook, and Blatche has skill, but a certain (bad) mental outlook and no professionalism when it comes to maintaining his body.

I hope either Seraphin or Vesely become competent PFs -- Seraphin will need to dramatically improve his perimeter defense, develop his jumper, and stay out of foul trouble. He looked solid in very limited time with France this fall. I'm not sure what Vesely will need to work on, since I haven't seen his game.

Honestly, if Booker develops a perimeter shot, he might be our best bet at PF, despite being undersized. He could easily end up in the Paul Millsap, Carl Landry camp.

dude i've seen heaps of vesely in europe and i think the guy is gonna be a very, very good nba player. the guy has a very good basketball head on his long frame - he knows how to play. he's a very inteligent player, makes very smart passes, is not very assertive offensively but thats fine as he'll be pretty much a perfect number 3 guy on a good team. does all the intangible things that go towards winning. as others have mentioned he has really good form on his jump shot so i definitely think it's something he'll become consistent in. underrated is his post game...still developing but i think this is where he could develop into something special at 7' and playing a large time at the 3. i think you should be stoked woth him.

AdamIsSoBaked · Post #117 » by **AdamIsSoBaked** » Mon Nov 7, 2011 1:28 am

jinxed wrote:What other big man has this combination of COORDINATION, speed, agility, and vertical leap?

Dwight Howard
Kevin Garnett
McGee
Blake Griffin
Amare Stoudemire
Shawn Kemp
Lamar Odom

I'm not trying to say he isn't athletic, but "Best 6'11 athlete in NBA history" is a little much, but I'm glad you're optimistic, he looks like he'll be really fun to watch on the wizards

ADRajX · Post #118 » by **ADRajX** » Mon Nov 7, 2011 4:31 am

*looks at thread title*

Did Dwight Howard retire? lol

lawrybeard · Post #119 » by **lawrybeard** » Mon Nov 7, 2011 7:04 am

I'll wait to see how athletic he is when/if he gets an nba body. He's going to get beat up until then.

jinxed · Post #120 » by **jinxed** » Mon Nov 7, 2011 8:36 am

AdamIsSoBaked wrote:
jinxed wrote:What other big man has this combination of COORDINATION, speed, agility, and vertical leap?

Dwight Howard--LOL..about as agile and coordinated as a truck, love to see Dwight guard perimeter players..
Kevin Garnett--great athlete, not quite as good a leaper or as fast as Vesely
McGee--like I said, love to seem him guard SF's..running around screens..not happening
Blake Griffin---6'8.5 w/o shoes..
Amare Stoudemire -6'8.5 w/o shoes...
Shawn Kemp-6'10
Lamar Odom-6'10

I'm not trying to say he isn't athletic, but "Best 6'11 athlete in NBA history" is a little much, but I'm glad you're optimistic, he looks like he'll be really fun to watch on the wizards

Try again.