Why was it a big deal with the Heat and not with others?

[Fantaxp7]

LOL at there being a difference between someone signing somewhere and someone allowing a trade to go through to be somewhere else.

cognitive dissonance is not an excuse people.
if the truth makes u uncomfortable...say that.

As is big market teams will always have an advantage in free agency versus smaller market teams. Teams with stars in place will have an easier time attracting free agents than teams without stars. They also tend to have financial resources that small market teams don't have.

The Heat took advantage of their market appeal as well as star appeal. Teams/small market team that build via drafts/trades worked with the actual player assets they had and are at a disadvantage in that regard.

Put it this way, I'd be much more impressed by Presti and OKC winning the title than Kupchak+ LA or Riley and the Heat.

Very well put.

[LikeABosh]

He took a shortcut to a championship
Because he couldn't get over the hump

I thought there were no shortcuts

[LikeABosh]

why the hell does it matter if teams were built through trade or free agency? whats the difference? i dont get it

It gives the loonies the idea that a star player like melo or howard had no choice because they were traded. People are forgetting that lebron was traded too. I guess that makes it okay then?

[Gus McCrae]

The dramatic swing in opinion on Bosh among the critics here at RealGM has impressive...

In the span of only two seasons he's conveniently shifted from the insignificant, disposable "Half" of "Two and a Half Men", and not even a Top 20 player in the league, to an unquestionable superstar and future Hall of Famer. Quite the accomplishment on his part.

Didn't Bosh average like 24/11 the year before he went to the Heat?But if it were 2 1/2 Men then Wade is closer to the 1/2 man than Bosh is.

[Michael Lucky]

You're still speculating on the Heat big 3. You can throw out articles, dinning together, it's still speculation. Regarding Nash, Phoenix wouldn't have gotten equal value for a player his age. A deal for Brooklyn was proposed but the Nets jumped the gun and sign Lopez. You can't blame free agents for bailing the franchises that drafted them when management made little to no effect of putting better pieces around them. LeBron played out his contract, Howard didn't.

Sure you can then call anything speculative unless it's layed out right in front of you. Still what is obvious, is obvious. Yet they got four picks from the Lakers for him. That's pretty good for a player his age, and sure those picks would never be close to the lottery but Nash himself didn't come out of the lottery. lol

I'm not blaming Lebron at all here, i would have made the same choice. When i said it's easy to understand, i meant it as it's easy to understand why people were annoyed by how they were formed.

[Quake Griffin]

LOL at there being a difference between someone signing somewhere and someone allowing a trade to go through to be somewhere else.

cognitive dissonance is not an excuse people.
if the truth makes u uncomfortable...say that.

As is big market teams will always have an advantage in free agency versus smaller market teams. Teams with stars in place will have an easier time attracting free agents than teams without stars. They also tend to have financial resources that small market teams don't have.

The Heat took advantage of their market appeal as well as star appeal. Teams/small market team that build via drafts/trades worked with the actual player assets they had and are at a disadvantage in that regard.

Put it this way, I'd be much more impressed by Presti and OKC winning the title than Kupchak+ LA or Riley and the Heat.

i don't see how what Presti did was impressive.
Big Picture: he drafted Durant with the #2 pick (like anyone else would have)....the team sucked...he drafted westbrook with the #4 pick....oh God, they sucked again and got another top pick...then drafted Harden

Peripheral things: Trade Jeff Green for Perk...get thabo...draft maynor....oh, they did leave bledsoe to us...tsk tsk.

i don't see how sucking and piling top picks is inherently better than signing a great player because you can...inherently better...i get with context and media news it seems better...but it's not inherently better...on its own merit without stupid media context making it seem cool.

anywho...most people who hate on the team live in dream world where they know that it's going to take a super team to win...yet can't stand that lebron did it with his own power.
sorry he didn't leave it to a pen pusher to ship him somewhere...but there's nothing different than kobe begging for a trade in 07, dwight allowing this trade to LAL, KG allowing a trade to Boston to team with Paul...Melo forcing his way to NY when Denver wanted to keep him.

0 difference at all.
only people who should be mad is people from Cleveland

[kingmalaki]

LOL, the hypocrisy in this thread is hilarious. So the Boston and LA situations are ok because KG, Howard and Nash were "traded" but the Heat one isn't because they decided to sign as free agents? That's asinine. Sure, KG was "traded" to Boston after he agreed to waive his no-trade clause and get traded there, and only after they got Allen. Nash went to his owner to convince him to "trade" him to LA and took less $$ to go there. After the Nets deal fell through Howard only agreed to be "traded" to LA (of all the teams that were making an offer). So to say those moves are ok because those guys were traded is a technicality and a crock of manure. Those guys decided where they wanted to play, just like LeBron and Bosh. Technically, both of those two were "traded" to Miami.

[FlashKing]

You're still speculating on the Heat big 3. You can throw out articles, dinning together, it's still speculation. Regarding Nash, Phoenix wouldn't have gotten equal value for a player his age. A deal for Brooklyn was proposed but the Nets jumped the gun and sign Lopez. You can't blame free agents for bailing the franchises that drafted them when management made little to no effect of putting better pieces around them. LeBron played out his contract, Howard didn't.

Sure you can then call anything speculative unless it's layed out right in front of you. Still what is obvious, is obvious. Yet they got four picks from the Lakers for him. That's pretty good for a player his age, and sure those picks would never be close to the lottery but Nash himself didn't come out of the lottery. lol

I'm not blaming Lebron at all here, i would have made the same choice. When i said it's easy to understand, i meant it as it's easy to understand why people were annoyed by how they were formed.

Laid out the obvious like have dinner together,that's your smoking gun? So the next time to players from opposite teams have dinner, I should just assume that the likelyhood of them joining forces is a lock? Picks mean nothing unless they are lottery picks which Phoenix got none out of the deal. This isn't the NFL draft where you can find a bunch of gems in later rounds. Nash is one of very few who turned into a star in the NBA.

I would understand fans of teams who lost out on Lebron to be upset over the decision, but it makes no sense for the rest to be when their team never had a shot. It seems to be a double standard here when it comes to LeBron and Howard. People got sick of the Howard trade talks but the fans haven't grown to hate him like they have LeBron. I don't see or hear the large courses of boos for Howard like LeBron got all over the league in year one.

[Gus McCrae]

You do realize Nash is 10 years older than LBJ/Bosh/Wade right? And Kobe is in his 17th season? Or that the Celtics Big 3 were all 5 years older than the Miami trio as well? The age difference seems to be equally ignored on the other end. Kobe/Nash/Howard are not all in their primes, neither were KG/Ray/Pierce.

Just saw the above post, Howard sucks as a person too. He's on my team but he's a complete d-bag, not on wade's level but he has surpassed Lebron.

[FlashKing]

You do realize Nash is 10 years older than LBJ/Bosh/Wade right? And Kobe is in his 17th season? Or that the Celtics Big 3 were all 5 years older than the Miami trio as well? The age difference seems to be equally ignored on the other end. Kobe/Nash/Howard are not all in their primes, neither were KG/Ray/Pierce.

Just saw the above post, Howard sucks as a person too. He's on my team but he's a complete d-bag, not on wade's level but he has surpassed Lebron.

@Wade being a bigger douche than Howard.

[GeneralNbaFan]

why the hell does it matter if teams were built through trade or free agency? whats the difference? i dont get it

It gives the loonies the idea that a star player like melo or howard had no choice because they were traded. People are forgetting that lebron was traded too. I guess that makes it okay then?

Of course they forced they way out. But Knicks loose half of the team for Melo.....

And they had to pay him max, so that they didnt have the option to get good players via free agnecy....

But Miamis big 3 took a paycut to play together! And they were 3 of the top 10/15 player....

No offense, but why is it so difficult to understand?

[SweetTouch]

it's real simple

greatness brings haters

and most men have female emotions

[Trader_Joe]

LOL, the hypocrisy in this thread is hilarious. So the Boston and LA situations are ok because KG, Howard and Nash were "traded" but the Heat one isn't because they decided to sign as free agents? That's asinine. Sure, KG was "traded" to Boston after he agreed to waive his no-trade clause and get traded there, and only after they got Allen. Nash went to his owner to convince him to "trade" him to LA and took less $$ to go there. After the Nets deal fell through Howard only agreed to be "traded" to LA (of all the teams that were making an offer). So to say those moves are ok because those guys were traded is a technicality and a crock of manure. Those guys decided where they wanted to play, just like LeBron and Bosh. Technically, both of those two were "traded" to Miami.

KG was not a free agent like someone else said, and he did not have a no trade clause like you said.
KG did not want to be traded there originally, but was convinced after they did the Allen deal that Boston was serious about winning.

Boston traded:

Jefferson
#5 pick (J.Green)
Wall Szcerbiak
Ratliff
D.West
G.Green
Telfair
Gomes
Multiple picks

for

KG and Allen

It was a major risk that worked out for them.


Miami didn't exactly take any risks by letting LBJ and Bosh sign with them.. thanks to Wade's recruiting and Miami's market.




And the point of all this is... teams like Miami and LA have shown they can do more with more. OKC and SAS have proven they can do more with less.

Also, put it this way. If I had to hire a GM for a new team that wasn't a top 5 market and had real salary concerns, I wouldn't hire Riley or Kupcheck, I'd look at Presti or Buford first.

[Quake Griffin]

You do realize Nash is 10 years older than LBJ/Bosh/Wade right? And Kobe is in his 17th season? Or that the Celtics Big 3 were all 5 years older than the Miami trio as well? The age difference seems to be equally ignored on the other end. Kobe/Nash/Howard are not all in their primes, neither were KG/Ray/Pierce.

Just saw the above post, Howard sucks as a person too. He's on my team but he's a complete d-bag, not on wade's level but he has surpassed Lebron.

so what you're saying is.....

it's ok to make a super team when you're 30 and 31? we'll feel more sympathetic to you and your cause at that point in ur career.


but....
if u take LeBron steps at 25/26 to prevent being in that position at 30-31 (which is the prime of ur career btw.....im not letting that slide)....it's a problem?


the logic is just too good.....i need more of it.

[MaliBrah]

Miami didn't take any risks going for the big 3? they rolled the dice and gutted their whole roster , they risked angering d wade and losing him because he might have thought that they weren't serious about winning. Riley gambled and went all in and he won. lol @ the person that said miami took no risks.

[Trader_Joe]

Miami didn't take any risks going for the big 3? they rolled the dice and gutted their whole roster , they risked angering d wade and losing him because he might have thought that they weren't serious about winning. Riley gambled and went all in and he won. lol @ the person that said miami took no risks.

Risked angering D.Wade? How?
By clearing the necessary cap room so that he could get 2 of his closest friend and 2 of the best players in the game to play along side him in Miami?

Please...Wade, LBJ and Bosh knew exactly what they wanted to happen. It was up to Riley to clear the cap space to make it financially viable.

[ItsSensei]

Nah people hate Dwight just as much but expectations for LeBron are just higher because he's the best player in the league (getting comparisons to Jordan etc).

Also, because Lakers haven't been playing very well, people have less of a reason to be afraid and to bash them to make themselves feel better

[Rotanimod]

+1. Same with Shaq.

Its gotten to the point where a ring makes all your chit taste like candy.

LBJ will never be a top ten player to me for moving to a ridiculously stacked team.

2009 LBJ > 2012 LBJx10

I value loyalty, and leadership. Hes never made a player around him better.
Also, as an alpha dog/mvp, joining other stars is really beta.

You have to be kidding. Everything you've said has no factual basis. He's playing just as good/better than 2009 and he always makes players around him better. That's why he's the best.

[Mamba Venom]

#1) Trade vs. free-agency
#2) MVP vs. broken coming off of back surgery
#3) Joined in conference rivals
#4) Joined prime players, the old guy and young guy team ups don't bother the public
#5) LeBron promised Cleveland a title
#6) The Decision TV special

[LikeABosh]

But Miamis big 3 took a paycut to play together! And they were 3 of the top 10/15 player....

And? Plenty of other players had the same option to take less money, but they refused to. There's no need to feel bad for melo or dwight because they wanted a max contract

No offense, but why is it so difficult to understand?

There's no offense because I understand perfectly. It isn't hard to follow these petty arguments