OJ Mayo 40 points 8 rebounds 3 assists against James Harden

Part-time Lover · Post #101 » by **Part-time Lover** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:40 am

lakersin4 wrote:Liked OJ since he was a highschool phenom telling reporters he wanted to be a Laker.. Too bad Mitch couldn't make it happen.

Oh trust me, Mitch WILL make it happen 8-)

inquisitive · Post #102 » by **inquisitive** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:59 am

lakersin4 wrote:Liked OJ since he was a highschool phenom telling reporters he wanted to be a Laker.. Too bad Mitch couldn't make it happen.

He will get alot of money next year if he opts out, that the Lakers won't be willing to pay.

Shock Defeat · Post #103 » by **Shock Defeat** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:18 am

30 out of 30 GMs would rather have Harden than Mayo right now.

monopolyman · Post #104 » by **monopolyman** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:53 am

Guy986 wrote:
monopolyman wrote:His head was clearly not in the game when in Memphis, as he was benched for a better defender....and is now proving in Dallas that he can be an elite defender...something Harden has not proven.

haha?

He guarded Harden the entire 4th quarter and shut him down. Individual defensive stats are misleading and also based on team preformance.

For example, Dirk Nowitzkis defensive win shares make him look like an elite defender when he is in fact mediocre

monopolyman · Post #105 » by **monopolyman** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:54 am

Part-time Lover wrote:
lakersin4 wrote:Liked OJ since he was a highschool phenom telling reporters he wanted to be a Laker.. Too bad Mitch couldn't make it happen.

Oh trust me, Mitch WILL make it happen

So he can come off the bench behind Kobe...dont think so

monopolyman · Post #106 » by **monopolyman** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:55 am

spearsy23 wrote:
monopolyman wrote:Harden's stats are inflated because he is the only scoring option

On average, he takes more possessions to get the same number of points

This is certainly not true, unless you're talking about a sample size of only twenty games.

I am talking about this season since they have both under taken different roles...yes. Harden is flashy and easy to like, but Mayo is the more complete player...and thus far Mayo has been far more efficient. That is a fact

DoubleVision · Post #107 » by **DoubleVision** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:28 am

From what I've seen about Mayo, he's a good on-the-ball defender. He can keep his man in front and do a good job of keeping his guy from isoing on him. The problem is he is bad at reading the proper switches and following his man off-the-ball. He gets caught on screens too much.

Guy986 · Post #108 » by **Guy986** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:30 am

monopolyman wrote:
Guy986 wrote:
monopolyman wrote:His head was clearly not in the game when in Memphis, as he was benched for a better defender....and is now proving in Dallas that he can be an elite defender...something Harden has not proven.

haha?

He guarded Harden the entire 4th quarter and shut him down. Individual defensive stats are misleading and also based on team preformance.

For example, Dirk Nowitzkis defensive win shares make him look like an elite defender when he is in fact mediocre

But he gave up 39 points to Harden on 17 shots.....

Mods can you check to see if this guy is an alias of lilojmayo?

monopolyman · Post #109 » by **monopolyman** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:32 am

BBall Loyalty wrote:30 out of 30 GMs would rather have Harden than Mayo right now.

No no no...28 out of 30 would rather have OJ, I just called them and did a quick survey

monopolyman · Post #110 » by **monopolyman** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:41 am

To guy896

But but but....
Can you read? He didn't even guard Harden until late in the 3rd and all 4th quarter when Carlisle employed a match up zone, with Mayo on Harden. He was held to 9 points in the half. I'm not an expert, but I did play for Purdue as a walk on for 2 years before I transferred. I know my **** son

monopolyman · Post #111 » by **monopolyman** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:43 am

mods...can you check if guy896 is a moron plz? thx

monopolyman · Post #112 » by **monopolyman** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:51 am

Harden plays a style of game that fans love, its exciting. But Mayo is a better floor spacer, more efficient in almost facet of his offensive skill set, is a better man on defender, and plays within the team's system (usually, sometimes he can jack up poor shots like Harden), and is a more complete player overall....right now. I could go on, but I am typing on a phone and don't really feel like getting into a detailed litany of Harden's faults where Mayo succeeds...its obvious to those not looking through fandom lens...at least for 20 games thus far

monopolyman · Post #113 » by **monopolyman** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:54 am

Need I go on?

Captain_Obvious · Post #114 » by **Captain_Obvious** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:57 am

monopolyman wrote:Need I go on?

Go away. You can express everything in one or two posts or rather not at all.

guy896 is awesome btw

monopolyman · Post #115 » by **monopolyman** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:18 am

Captain_Obvious wrote:
monopolyman wrote:Need I go on?

Go away. You can express everything in one or two posts or rather not at all.

guy896 is awesome btw

so is lilojmayo

just wanted to give you a taste of reality before leaving since everyone seems to take a fan's perspective, hard to express everything in one post when you have 3 replys.and you are typing on a phone

NYK_89 · Post #116 » by **NYK_89** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:20 am

Goldtop wrote:
og15 wrote:
D Nice wrote:Haha entertain as hell game. Brought his team back against mr. 5 points for every field goal attempt. Thread won't last though.

Harden had 39 pts on 17 FGA himself, not the night to hate on him

When 15 of those pts came on FTs its not all that impressive. If Mayo got gifted 16 FTs he would've went for 50-60pts

going to go out on a limb and say the max is 56 if he got 16 free free throws

NYK_89 · Post #117 » by **NYK_89** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:22 am

monopolyman wrote:Harden plays a style of game that fans love, its exciting. But Mayo is a better floor spacer, more efficient in almost facet of his offensive skill set, is a better man on defender, and plays within the team's system (usually, sometimes he can jack up poor shots like Harden), and is a more complete player overall....right now. I could go on, but I am typing on a phone and don't really feel like getting into a detailed litany of Harden's faults where Mayo succeeds...its obvious to those not looking through fandom lens...at least for 20 games thus far

Harden is clearly better at getting to the FT line, is a significantly better passer etc...

monopolyman · Post #118 » by **monopolyman** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:24 am

NYK_89 wrote:
monopolyman wrote:Harden plays a style of game that fans love, its exciting. But Mayo is a better floor spacer, more efficient in almost facet of his offensive skill set, is a better man on defender, and plays within the team's system (usually, sometimes he can jack up poor shots like Harden), and is a more complete player overall....right now. I could go on, but I am typing on a phone and don't really feel like getting into a detailed litany of Harden's faults where Mayo succeeds...its obvious to those not looking through fandom lens...at least for 20 games thus far

Harden is clearly better at getting to the FT line, is a significantly better passer etc...

etc...? I know he can get in the paint/line and and has supeiror court vision...but thats about it. He is good at breaking down the D...but as far as the aforementioned in my post, Mayo is supeiror in those facets.

If you are deciding between Mayo and Harden in the two man game with Dirk, you go with Mayo every time. If you want a volume shooter that can also make some plays in the paint...go with Harden

Tave · Post #119 » by **Tave** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:27 am

monopolyman wrote:Harden plays a style of game that fans love, its exciting. But Mayo is a better floor spacer, more efficient in almost facet of his offensive skill set, is a better man on defender, and plays within the team's system (usually, sometimes he can jack up poor shots like Harden), and is a more complete player overall....right now. I could go on, but I am typing on a phone and don't really feel like getting into a detailed litany of Harden's faults where Mayo succeeds...its obvious to those not looking through fandom lens...at least for 20 games thus far

I don't understand, do the last 4 years mean nothing?

monopolyman · Post #120 » by **monopolyman** » Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:39 am

Tave wrote:
monopolyman wrote:Harden plays a style of game that fans love, its exciting. But Mayo is a better floor spacer, more efficient in almost facet of his offensive skill set, is a better man on defender, and plays within the team's system (usually, sometimes he can jack up poor shots like Harden), and is a more complete player overall....right now. I could go on, but I am typing on a phone and don't really feel like getting into a detailed litany of Harden's faults where Mayo succeeds...its obvious to those not looking through fandom lens...at least for 20 games thus far

I don't understand, do the last 4 years mean nothing?

If we are talking about who is the more complete player RIGHT NOW, since taking on different roles with different teams, coaches, and systems....then yes. Everyone knows Mayo struggled under Hollins. He is a different player reaching his potential in Dallas, as is Harden to some degree. What either player did on either team is irrelevant at this point.

So if you want to search for excuses that support your argument, then search the past 4 years all you 'd like...doesn't have anything to do with either player's current production/efficiency

Anyway, fans are going to beleive whatever floats their boat regardless of facts staring them in the face