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Beardman · Post #101 » by **Beardman** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:50 am

RayBan-Sematra wrote:YES.

Chocobanana · Post #102 » by **Chocobanana** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:51 am

if he entered in 2000 and retired in 2009 then his career was 9 years.

HotRocks34 · Post #103 » by **HotRocks34** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:51 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_%28decade%29

The 2000s was a decade that began on January 1, 2000 and ended on December 31, 2009.

TheChosen618 · Post #104 » by **TheChosen618** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:51 am

RayBan-Sematra wrote:
TheChosen618 wrote:
RayBan-Sematra wrote:00 - 09 is 10 years.

I would say the start of the decade started in the 2000-2001 season, therefore Shaq and Kobe both had 2 titles as the #1 option.

Then you also believe the 80's decade ended in 1990 which is (Please Use More Appropriate Word).

80's = 1980-1989
90's = 1990-1999
00's = 2000-2009

The beginning of a decade doesn't start at 1999-2000. 1999 is still in the 90s. I would say the decade ends on a new decade, so in this case, it ends at 2010. In the 80s, it ends at 1989-90 and in the 90s, it ends at 1999-00.

Frank Mulely · Post #105 » by **Frank Mulely** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:52 am

RayBan-Sematra wrote:
Beardman wrote:Why did Kobe dominate Spurs in Duncan's prime ? unsolved mystery...

This is kind of revisionist history.

Duncan was busy guarding Peak Shaq in 2001 (who outplayed him and Robinson) while Kobe was beating up on one of the worst ever perimeter defenses on mostly single coverage thanks to Shaq.

In 2002 Kobe had a mediocre series VS the Spurs even though he brought the clutchness.

In 2004 Shaq was the MVP against the Spurs.

In 2008 Duncan was clearly past his Prime while Kobe was at his absolute Peak.
Plus Duncan had to go up against Peak Gasol while Kobe had to go up against an injured/hobbled Ginobili.

See 01 is key to me. I can never get past seeing Shaq absolutely dismantle Duncan AND Robinson. for that alone I can't say Duncan is best of the 00s. its Kobe to me.

add Shaqs waxing to his horrible international play and I don't see how anyone can honestly say Duncan was player of his era. Its Shaq or Kobe, easy.

btw bron etc. are not same era as Shaq / Kobe / Duncan.

imchillin · Post #106 » by **imchillin** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:52 am

Sky_Knicks wrote:
imchillin wrote:greatest of our Era with one mvp to his name. wonderful

And 5 rings.

how many times must we explain, championships is a team thing.
MVP is individual, how are you really dominating a whole era with one damn MVP award

and who wouldn't win with prime shaq, Wade won with subpar shaq, smh

OneWhoKnocks · Post #107 » by **OneWhoKnocks** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:53 am

I know Realgm has some irrational hatred towards Kobe but there is nothing wrong with placing Kobe above Duncan. IMO I have Kobe at 7 and Duncan at 8. Kobe had some of his best playoff series against the Spurs. EVEN when Shaq was not with the Lakers in 2008 he put up one hell of a performance. When it comes to two players very close in all-time ranking, I'm going to go with the one who was not only better statistically, but also the most wins in the head-to-head match-ups.

imchillin · Post #108 » by **imchillin** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:54 am

Frank Mulely wrote:
RayBan-Sematra wrote:
Beardman wrote:Why did Kobe dominate Spurs in Duncan's prime ? unsolved mystery...

This is kind of revisionist history.

Duncan was busy guarding Peak Shaq in 2001 (who outplayed him and Robinson) while Kobe was beating up on one of the worst ever perimeter defenses on mostly single coverage thanks to Shaq.

In 2002 Kobe had a mediocre series VS the Spurs even though he brought the clutchness.

In 2004 Shaq was the MVP against the Spurs.

In 2008 Duncan was clearly past his Prime while Kobe was at his absolute Peak.
Plus Duncan had to go up against Peak Gasol while Kobe had to go up against an injured/hobbled Ginobili.

See 01 is key to me. I can never get past seeing Shaq absolutely dismantle Duncan AND Robinson. for that alone I can't say Duncan is best of the 00s. its Kobe to me.

so Shaq dominated Duncan AND Robinson but its Kobe whos better? got it

Dupp · Post #109 » by **Dupp** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:57 am

OneWhoKnocks wrote:I know Realgm has some irrational hatred towards Kobe but there is nothing wrong with placing Kobe above Duncan. IMO I have Kobe at 7 and Duncan at 8. Kobe had some of his best playoff series against the Spurs. EVEN when Shaq was not with the Lakers in 2008 he put up one hell of a performance. When it comes to two players very close in all-time ranking, I'm going to go with the one who was not only better statistically, but also the most wins in the head-to-head match-ups.

I agree with you here. My only real argument is stats can't really correctly measure Duncans defensive impact. But i do think they are very close. Personally i prefer Duncan because i think his peak is quite a bit better.

Ming Kong! · Post #110 » by **Ming Kong!** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:57 am

I think we should start the decade in the 1999-2000 season, and end in the 2008-09 season, since playoff success is weighed heavier than regular season, not to mention the NBA season starts late october and the playoffs end late june. So basically 2 months in one calender year, then nearly 6 full months the next year. I don't know, just my take.

TrevorAriza · Post #111 » by **TrevorAriza** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:00 am

imchillin wrote:
Sky_Knicks wrote:
imchillin wrote:greatest of our Era with one mvp to his name. wonderful

And 5 rings.

how many times must we explain, championships is a team thing.
MVP is individual, how are you really dominating a whole era with one damn MVP award

and who wouldn't win with prime shaq, Wade won with subpar shaq, smh

Well the MVP is usually awarded to the best team's best player, so not really.

Ninjek · Post #112 » by **Ninjek** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:01 am

Frank Mulely wrote:
RayBan-Sematra wrote:This is kind of revisionist history.

Duncan was busy guarding Peak Shaq in 2001 (who outplayed him and Robinson) while Kobe was beating up on one of the worst ever perimeter defenses on mostly single coverage thanks to Shaq.

In 2002 Kobe had a mediocre series VS the Spurs even though he brought the clutchness.

In 2004 Shaq was the MVP against the Spurs.

In 2008 Duncan was clearly past his Prime while Kobe was at his absolute Peak.
Plus Duncan had to go up against Peak Gasol while Kobe had to go up against an injured/hobbled Ginobili.

See 01 is key to me. I can never get past seeing Shaq absolutely dismantle Duncan AND Robinson. for that alone I can't say Duncan is best of the 00s. its Kobe to me.

I think that's more of a testament to how great prime Shaq was.

Beardman · Post #113 » by **Beardman** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:02 am

HotRocks34 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_%28decade%29

The 2000s was a decade that began on January 1, 2000 and ended on December 31, 2009.

Okay, i'll take this. To the guy who was arguing that 2010 doesn't count, you win.

Jimmy Recard · Post #114 » by **Jimmy Recard** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:02 am

BeasleyTheBeast wrote:
Jimmy Recard wrote:Disagree with Wade here. For me it's Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, KG, Dirk - in that order.

so were just going to forget Lebron James?

I was actually responding in relation to that generation of players. I think LeBron is the best/most dominant perimeter player since Jordan.

imchillin · Post #115 » by **imchillin** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:02 am

TrevorAriza wrote:
imchillin wrote:
imchillin wrote:greatest of our Era with one mvp to his name. wonderful

And 5 rings.

how many times must we explain, championships is a team thing.
MVP is individual, how are you really dominating a whole era with one damn MVP award

and who wouldn't win with prime shaq, Wade won with subpar shaq, smh

Well the MVP is usually awarded to the best team's best player, so not really.

but Kobe is the greatest of our era so whats the problem? Lebron got two in Cleveland, cleveland ...with boobie gibson and mo williams.....

swag2011 · Post #116 » by **swag2011** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:07 am

i love how kobe praise from former/current players plus media members gets people on realgm so riled up lol. they hate to see someone praising kobe lol.

microfib4thewin · Post #117 » by **microfib4thewin** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:07 am

Why do we have to look at a 10 year period strictly by decades anyways? If we were to go by 95-04, it would have been Shaq without any questions. The better question is which 10 year period would you prefer out of a player's career.

ThePersianFreak · Post #118 » by **ThePersianFreak** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:07 am

Good for Kobe , it's a different era , and it's LeBron's ERA !

Frank Mulely · Post #119 » by **Frank Mulely** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:09 am

Ninjek wrote:
Frank Mulely wrote:
RayBan-Sematra wrote:This is kind of revisionist history.

Duncan was busy guarding Peak Shaq in 2001 (who outplayed him and Robinson) while Kobe was beating up on one of the worst ever perimeter defenses on mostly single coverage thanks to Shaq.

In 2002 Kobe had a mediocre series VS the Spurs even though he brought the clutchness.

In 2004 Shaq was the MVP against the Spurs.

In 2008 Duncan was clearly past his Prime while Kobe was at his absolute Peak.
Plus Duncan had to go up against Peak Gasol while Kobe had to go up against an injured/hobbled Ginobili.

See 01 is key to me. I can never get past seeing Shaq absolutely dismantle Duncan AND Robinson. for that alone I can't say Duncan is best of the 00s. its Kobe to me.

I think that's more of a testament to how great prime Shaq was.

yup....and point is I can't say youre best of your era if you got worked like that.

TrevorAriza · Post #120 » by **TrevorAriza** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:09 am

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but Kobe is the greatest of our era so whats the problem? Lebron got two in Cleveland, cleveland ...with boobie gibson and mo williams.....[/quote]

They also had the best record those two years. There's a reason Derrick Rose won an MVP and it wasn't because he was the best player in the league. LeBron was clearly the best player that year. But because the Bulls had the best record, Rose won it.