D-Will Wants Out Of Brooklyn, FO Also Wants Him Gone

WD · Post #101 » by WD » Fri May 16, 2014 7:46 pm

What a waste of money, so tired of these players getting guaranteed money from a team, then wines or plays bad. I wish they would have to forfeit there current contract to move to other teams or have to negotiate a new contract upon requesting a trade...

Such a waste of money...it's extremely unlikely he'll ever play to the potential of his contract

Prince187 · Post #102 » by **Prince187** » Fri May 16, 2014 7:47 pm

Prokorov wrote:
Prince187 wrote:How many times do we have to see this sort of thing happen before the owners decide they should end guaranteed contracts. If the NFL, where you have a serious chance of getting injured and never playing again, doesn't have guaranteed contracts why on earth does the NBA ?

the owners would love that.... unfortunetly there is this thing called the NBA players association that wont allow such a thing. and the NBA isnt nearly as succesful as the NFL to where they could withstand losing an entire year to a lockout.

Yeah the owners couldn't decide on their own but they could put it on the table and fight for it and I'm pretty sure they'd win. Why ? Because for most NBA owners their teams are just toys for them. They don't depend on that revenue to live. Unlike NBA players. And do you remember what we were hearing during the last lockout about how quickly many of the players wanted to end it because they were running out of money ? :lol:

Yoshun · Post #103 » by **Yoshun** » Fri May 16, 2014 7:49 pm

I was never a fan of D-Will. I didn't like the deal when they brought him to the Nets and he's played exactly as I thought he would. Hopefully we can find some way to get rid of him, though it looks impossible.

Prokorov · Post #104 » by **Prokorov** » Fri May 16, 2014 7:50 pm

Prince187 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Prince187 wrote:How many times do we have to see this sort of thing happen before the owners decide they should end guaranteed contracts. If the NFL, where you have a serious chance of getting injured and never playing again, doesn't have guaranteed contracts why on earth does the NBA ?

the owners would love that.... unfortunetly there is this thing called the NBA players association that wont allow such a thing. and the NBA isnt nearly as succesful as the NFL to where they could withstand losing an entire year to a lockout.

Yeah the owners couldn't decide on their own but they could put it on the table and fight for it and I'm pretty sure they'd win. Why ? Because for most NBA owners their teams are just toys for them. They don't depend on that revenue to live. Unlike NBA players. And do you remember what we were hearing during the last lockout about how quickly many of the players wanted to end it because they were running out of money ?

Owners arent willing to lose hundreds of millions of dollars. even the NFL owners have caved in the past, with much more leverage. there is 0 chance they would be able to get the players union to agree to it. the players wouldnt budge, they wouldnt be able to.

and the NBA cant handle a year long lockout. it would cripple the sport. it would force the league to contract several teams, and it would damage the global expansion of the sport.

Hello Brooklyn · Post #105 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Fri May 16, 2014 7:51 pm

JesusHCoxMd wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
JesusHCoxMd wrote:Brooklyn is just a rich guy's toy, throwing all that money into team and getting nothing out of it.

2nd round = Nothing?

you might want to look into the return the knicks got for their money for a good example of "nothing"

as in:

No playoff birth
No lottery pick

Well, as long as you sleep good at night and you are happy with results, then Nets had a fantastic season and 102,828,064 $ well spent on 2nd round exit.

I'm sorry my team doesn't have one of the best players the NBA have ever seen. You're clearly spoiled.

Making the 2nd round of the playoffs is still an accomplishment and a successful season.

As for the whole 102 million we spent. Please donate some ****s to me, because I have so little to give.

zronv7 · Post #106 » by **zronv7** » Fri May 16, 2014 7:51 pm

Nets...browns of the NBA?

Hello Brooklyn · Post #107 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Fri May 16, 2014 7:53 pm

zronv7 wrote:Nets...browns of the NBA?

LOL. Now I've heard it all.

DaddyCool19 · Post #108 » by **DaddyCool19** » Fri May 16, 2014 7:54 pm

If his last year was a team option i could see teams trading for him. At worst he would be an expiring if he sucks next year.

Godzilla039 · Post #109 » by **Godzilla039** » Fri May 16, 2014 7:56 pm

wolfv wrote:I can't remember anymore what happened between him and Sloan in Utah, but whatever it was certainly killed his career. Sloan and the Jazz were perfect for D-Will.

Rose destroyed him one night in Utah. Sloan and DWill got into an argument during halftime. Rose continued to destroy him after halftime. Sloan resigns after the game. Ending both their careers.

kerry kittles · Post #110 » by **kerry kittles** » Fri May 16, 2014 7:59 pm

zronv7 wrote:Nets...browns of the NBA?

The Browns haven't won a playoff game since 1994, 20 years. The Nets won a playoff series this year. Made the finals twice since the Browns last won a playoff game. Come on man

Post #111 » by **Slartibartfast** » Fri May 16, 2014 8:04 pm

kerry kittles wrote:
zronv7 wrote:Nets...browns of the NBA?

The Browns haven't won a playoff game since 1994, 20 years. The Nets won a playoff series this year. Made the finals twice since the Browns last won a playoff game. Come on man

Yeah, the T-Wolves are best candidate for Browns of the NBA at the moment. Then Bobcats. Then the Bucks. Then the Raptors.

mrmsix6 · Post #112 » by **mrmsix6** » Fri May 16, 2014 8:04 pm

kerry kittles wrote:
zronv7 wrote:Nets...browns of the NBA?

The Browns haven't won a playoff game since 1994, 20 years. The Nets won a playoff series this year. Made the finals twice since the Browns last won a playoff game. Come on man

hey, at least the Browns have some promising young talent and could be relevant before the next decade!

Prince187 · Post #113 » by **Prince187** » Fri May 16, 2014 8:04 pm

Prokorov wrote:
Prince187 wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
the owners would love that.... unfortunetly there is this thing called the NBA players association that wont allow such a thing. and the NBA isnt nearly as succesful as the NFL to where they could withstand losing an entire year to a lockout.

Yeah the owners couldn't decide on their own but they could put it on the table and fight for it and I'm pretty sure they'd win. Why ? Because for most NBA owners their teams are just toys for them. They don't depend on that revenue to live. Unlike NBA players. And do you remember what we were hearing during the last lockout about how quickly many of the players wanted to end it because they were running out of money ?

Owners arent willing to lose hundreds of millions of dollars. even the NFL owners have caved in the past, with much more leverage. there is 0 chance they would be able to get the players union to agree to it. the players wouldnt budge, they wouldnt be able to.

and the NBA cant handle a year long lockout. it would cripple the sport. it would force the league to contract several teams, and it would damage the global expansion of the sport.

There's no way the owners would be losing that much money. Don't a lot of them lose money on their teams as it is ? The players union would be forced to agree with it because they will cave. The owners are billionaires who made their money as a result of their intelligence, the players are millionaires who usually end up going broke within a few of retiring, who's gonna give in first ?

And you're looking at the league like it's a unified company, but it's not. If you're an owner you care about your bottom line, not the league in general. If you're Micky Arrison do you care if the Bucks are losing money ?

pace31 · Post #114 » by **pace31** » Fri May 16, 2014 8:06 pm

I miss this Dwill:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbPQFNdPCKc[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n9AdYhZXrQ[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKWYkttEcoQ[/youtube]

Grammer Nazi · Post #115 » by **Grammer Nazi** » Fri May 16, 2014 8:07 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:
JesusHCoxMd wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
2nd round = Nothing?

you might want to look into the return the knicks got for their money for a good example of "nothing"

as in:

No playoff birth
No lottery pick

Well, as long as you sleep good at night and you are happy with results, then Nets had a fantastic season and 102,828,064 $ well spent on 2nd round exit.

I'm sorry my team doesn't have one of the best players the NBA have ever seen. You're clearly spoiled.

Making the 2nd round of the playoffs is still an accomplishment and a successful season.

As for the whole 102 million we spent. Please donate some ****s to me, because I have so little to give.

A 2nd round exit is a successful season if you have a young, in-experienced team. A 2nd round exit is a complete disaster if you have a team of veterans, zero flexibility, and mortgaged draft picks until 2018 playing in a historically weak conference.

HotrodBeaubois · Post #116 » by **HotrodBeaubois** » Fri May 16, 2014 8:19 pm

Prokorov wrote:
HotrodBeaubois wrote:
Then great Dallas takes the pick out of the deal .. I know Deron hasn't been that great the last 2 years but when healthy and with a good team that has a stable coaching environment I think Deron can do very well . If Deron returns to near Allstar / Superstar Level it puts Dallas over the top . If he doesn't he is still better than Calderon he is just paid more which wont matter either way because we wont have cap space for the next 3 years anyway .

there was no way they would include the pick to start with.

superstar level? he was a bottom 5-10 point gaurd this year, and even when he was healthy, he was playing average at best. He is washed up in addition to having 0 work ethic and being a giant diva. not to mention he has serious confidence issues.

there is no chance he is better then calderon. getting dwill would crush dallas, just like it crushed us

I'm not buying that he is a bottom 5-10 PG .

17th in Scoring
13th in Assist
9th in FG%
12th in RPM
13th in War

Now Calderon is a Bottom 5 PG

25th in Scoring
23rd in Assist
7th in FG%
47th in RPM
39th in WAR

Again Deron is not what crushed Brooklyn .

1-Coaching the last 2 years
2-Your best or 2nd best player is Joe Johnson
3-Billy Kings dumbass trades
4-Injuries most importantly to Lopez
5-Your starting Center is a 37 year old Garnett playing 20 MPG

Dallas has a much better supporting cast and a much better Coach . All Deron's numbers go up playing with Ellis / Dirk / Carlisle coaching regardless who we got with our $20 Million in cap space at Center / Small Forward

jpengland · Post #117 » by **jpengland** » Fri May 16, 2014 8:19 pm

Why would anyone waste a third of the cap on a middle of the pack PG?

Prokorov · Post #118 » by **Prokorov** » Fri May 16, 2014 8:21 pm

Prince187 wrote:
There's no way the owners would be losing that much money. Don't a lot of them lose money on their teams as it is ? The players union would be forced to agree with it because they will cave. The owners are billionaires who made their money as a result of their intelligence, ?

Yes, it is that much money. The league had 5 Billion in revanue last year. More then half of that goes to the owners. the owners being smart is the EXACT reason why they wouldnt want a long lockout. they didnt become billionaires by losing hundreds of millions of dollars over something like gauranteed contracts.

you see, thats the thing. the owners pay the same amount whether the contracts are gauranteed or not. their is a salary floor. there is a set amount the owners have to pay the players each year. so sure, while the knicks may have been able to cut amare, they would still need to meet the salary floor. it only changes things from a competitive standpoint, not a money one.

the owners arent going to lose hundreds of millions of dollars over competitive advantages.

the players are millionaires who usually end up going broke within a few of retiring, who's gonna give in first

The players having a short span of time to make money, and making less in comparison, is the EXACT reason why they would have no choice but to stand strong during a lockout. The average NBA career is 6 years. tons of players careers end due to injury. If the players dont have gauranteed deals, they run the risk of never making any money off their nba careers.

And you're looking at the league like it's a unified company, but it's not. If you're an owner you care about your bottom line, not the league in general. If you're Micky Arrison do you care if the Bucks are losing money ?

the NBA has revanue sharing. it doesnt matter if the bucks lose money, it matters if the league loses money. that 5 billion in revanue is split among teams. and milwuakee might have to be contracted all together if the league did poorly.

Prokorov · Post #119 » by **Prokorov** » Fri May 16, 2014 8:22 pm

Grammer Nazi wrote:
A 2nd round exit is a successful season if you have a young, in-experienced team. A 2nd round exit is a complete disaster if you have a team of veterans, zero flexibility, and mortgaged draft picks until 2018 playing in a historically weak conference.

it certainly is not. complete disaster is a veteran team that misses the playoffs.

making the playoffs, and winning a round is NEVER a disaster. your team got a winning season and a playoff win.

ive seen this team lose 70 games. please dont talk to me about "disasters"

Prokorov · Post #120 » by **Prokorov** » Fri May 16, 2014 8:24 pm

mrmsix6 wrote:
kerry kittles wrote:
zronv7 wrote:Nets...browns of the NBA?

The Browns haven't won a playoff game since 1994, 20 years. The Nets won a playoff series this year. Made the finals twice since the Browns last won a playoff game. Come on man

hey, at least the Browns have some promising young talent and could be relevant before the next decade!

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why can't the nets be relevant before the next decade? We have 30+ million in cap room in 2016