Bosh prefers money over loyalty

Mr_MD · Post #101 » by **Mr_MD** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 11:17 pm

How did you arrive at the conclusion that Bosh prefers money over loyalty?

Made a cool thread title just for fun?

Heat3 · Post #102 » by **Heat3** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 11:18 pm

Paz · Post #103 » by **Paz** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 11:20 pm

richboy wrote:
Paz wrote:
inquisitive wrote:

...preparing to OFFER. Give means something different. That's still not as much money as he could get in Miami. If he stays, he could get his money, his loyalty AND compete for championships. Pretty sweet for him.

Lebron is going to stay in Miami if Bosh is making the max? Unless Wade is playing for free Miami would have zero ability to make moves.

Bosh is going to leave if Lebron stays?

kevindurant1 · Post #104 » by **kevindurant1** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 11:21 pm

Bosh should get as much money as he could get. He got 2 rings already. He has a drive to win though so maybe he will take a major pay cut and stay.

richboy · Post #105 » by **richboy** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 11:27 pm

Paz wrote:
richboy wrote:
Paz wrote:
...preparing to OFFER. Give means something different. That's still not as much money as he could get in Miami. If he stays, he could get his money, his loyalty AND compete for championships. Pretty sweet for him.

Lebron is going to stay in Miami if Bosh is making the max? Unless Wade is playing for free Miami would have zero ability to make moves.

Bosh is going to leave if Lebron stays?

If your point is Bosh can make as much money in Miami as Houston then where does that put the Lebron waiting to see what improvements Miami is going to make.

The whole idea of opting out was Bosh and Wade taking less to improve the team. I don't know if Bosh is tied to Lebron. I pretty confident that both Lebron and Bosh are not getting max contracts in Miami.

Dirkules · Post #106 » by **Dirkules** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 11:38 pm

trustykilo wrote:Bosh signs with Rockets.
Lebron signs with the Mavs.

That would be nice. I'm thinking this is more realistic though.

Bosh signs with Rockets.
Parsons signs with Mavs.

Paz · Post #107 » by **Paz** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 11:43 pm

richboy wrote:
Paz wrote:
richboy wrote:
Lebron is going to stay in Miami if Bosh is making the max? Unless Wade is playing for free Miami would have zero ability to make moves.

Bosh is going to leave if Lebron stays?

If your point is Bosh can make as much money in Miami as Houston then where does that put the Lebron waiting to see what improvements Miami is going to make.

The whole idea of opting out was Bosh and Wade taking less to improve the team. I don't know if Bosh is tied to Lebron. I pretty confident that both Lebron and Bosh are not getting max contracts in Miami.

So now you're manufacturing the sceanrio that Bosh wants max money regarless if Lebron leaves or not... ok. In that scenario, Miami would be rather handcuffed but Miami could still offer him the most money and the biggest opportunity to win championships while maintaining his loyalty... still pretty sweet for him.

Zubby · Post #108 » by **Zubby** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 11:46 pm

Dirkules wrote:
trustykilo wrote:Bosh signs with Rockets.
Lebron signs with the Mavs.

That would be nice. I'm thinking this is more realistic though.

Bosh signs with Rockets.
Parsons signs with Mavs.

Naw, Bosh signs with Houston, Parsons will be back too.

It doesn't matter if we get Bosh at the max(its not my money) Rockets will be over the cap with whoever they sign +Parsons.

richboy · Post #109 » by **richboy** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 11:49 pm

Paz wrote:
richboy wrote:
Paz wrote:
Bosh is going to leave if Lebron stays?

If your point is Bosh can make as much money in Miami as Houston then where does that put the Lebron waiting to see what improvements Miami is going to make.

The whole idea of opting out was Bosh and Wade taking less to improve the team. I don't know if Bosh is tied to Lebron. I pretty confident that both Lebron and Bosh are not getting max contracts in Miami.

So now you're manufacturing the sceanrio that Bosh wants max money regarless if Lebron leaves or not... ok. In that scenario, Miami would be rather handcuffed but Miami could still offer him the most money and the biggest opportunity to win championships while maintaining his loyalty... still pretty sweet for him.

No I'm going by your words that Bosh could get more in Miami. I'm saying if Bosh gets more in Miami Lebron is probably not staying.

Post #110 » by **PaulieWal** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:01 am

KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:Seeing how he was treated for last 4 years in Miami, they deserve zero loyalty from Bosh.

This comment makes no sense.

Spo routinely goes out of his way all the time to call him Miami's "Most Important Player" and LeBron trusts Bosh with big shots at the end of games. Bosh has been a tad underutilized on the offensive end but he's the highest paid player on the team (tied with LeBron) and extremely well-respected by the entire team and the organization.

inquisitive · Post #111 » by **inquisitive** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:11 am

Zubby wrote:
Dirkules wrote:
trustykilo wrote:Bosh signs with Rockets.
Lebron signs with the Mavs.

That would be nice. I'm thinking this is more realistic though.

Bosh signs with Rockets.
Parsons signs with Mavs.

Naw, Bosh signs with Houston, Parsons will be back too.

It doesn't matter if we get Bosh at the max(its not my money) Rockets will be over the cap with whoever they sign +Parsons.

Rockets owner said he is willing to go over the cap for the right players after getting Dwight.

baki · Post #112 » by **baki** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:14 am

I think it's a good deal for both Bosh and the Rockets.

Bosh gets his money, plays a little.
Rockets get a pushover who will be happy to pass the ball to Harden or Howard.

Parsons may be gone though.

Paz · Post #113 » by **Paz** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:14 am

richboy wrote:
Paz wrote:
richboy wrote:
If your point is Bosh can make as much money in Miami as Houston then where does that put the Lebron waiting to see what improvements Miami is going to make.

The whole idea of opting out was Bosh and Wade taking less to improve the team. I don't know if Bosh is tied to Lebron. I pretty confident that both Lebron and Bosh are not getting max contracts in Miami.

So now you're manufacturing the sceanrio that Bosh wants max money regarless if Lebron leaves or not... ok. In that scenario, Miami would be rather handcuffed but Miami could still offer him the most money and the biggest opportunity to win championships while maintaining his loyalty... still pretty sweet for him.

No I'm going by your words that Bosh could get more in Miami. I'm saying if Bosh gets more in Miami Lebron is probably not staying.

When did Bosh EVER say that he was going after the money? Just because Houston is offering him a max contract, doesn't mean he is, by default, going after that amount. He HAS stated that he is interested in staying in Miami and will even take a pay-cut to upgrade the team, if need be. I'm not Bosh though and I have no clue what he is thinking. I'm basing what I just said on what he had stated earlier this offseason.

KI-DW-TT-AB · Post #114 » by **KI-DW-TT-AB** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:16 am

inquisitive wrote:
KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:
Paz wrote:
...preparing to OFFER. Give means something different. That's still not as much money as he could get in Miami. If he stays, he could get his money, his loyalty AND compete for championships. Pretty sweet for him.

cavs were preparing to offer hayward also..

.. it's been like 4 days now

they didnt offer hayward one...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nb ... /12122479/

But despite reports that he would be given a maximum salary offer sheet before the day was done, Hayward left town without a commitment from the Cavaliers and with an eagerness to continue testing the rest of his one-man market

that's my point

cpower · Post #115 » by **cpower** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:17 am

The Rebel wrote:
cpower wrote:Bosh was probably the luckiest player in the league for the last decade. He was drafted by a franchise led by Air Canada and was heading to have channing frye/charlie V type of career. Then Carter was traded and he became the franchise player and was given the freedom to do whatever he wanted on the court. Gotten to the playoffs twice in 7 years in Toronto and never passed the first round. Then became one of the big threes and won 2 rings and now have a chance to chase for more rings/money. How many star players in the last decade were given max money and winning rings at the same time? Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Pierce, KG, Duncan and Bosh? He is easily the least talented from the list.

Are you really saying that Bosh is basically the same level talent as Frye and CV?

similar talent level with more work ethic. How would his career had panned out if he had to share with balls with Marbury, Jamal Crawford, Michael Redd or Mo Williams?

Paz · Post #116 » by **Paz** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:19 am

Honestly, I don't even know why he'd consider Houston as a better option than the Heat really. I don't think he's interested in getting terminated from the playoffs every year. Again, that is only my opinion. Maybe he does want to be on a losing team...

tbytc · Post #117 » by **tbytc** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:22 am

PaulieWal wrote:
KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:Seeing how he was treated for last 4 years in Miami, they deserve zero loyalty from Bosh.

This comment makes no sense.

Spo routinely goes out of his way all the time to call him Miami's "Most Important Player" and LeBron trusts Bosh with big shots at the end of games. Bosh has been a tad underutilized on the offensive end but he's the highest paid player on the team (tied with LeBron) and extremely well-respected by the entire team and the organization.

Calling him "Most important player" and drawing him zero play for 3 years?
They turn a 24/10.8 with 51.8% fgp guy to a pure shooter.

inquisitive · Post #118 » by **inquisitive** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:22 am

KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:
inquisitive wrote:
KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:cavs were preparing to offer hayward also..

.. it's been like 4 days now

they didnt offer hayward one...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nb ... /12122479/

But despite reports that he would be given a maximum salary offer sheet before the day was done, Hayward left town without a commitment from the Cavaliers and with an eagerness to continue testing the rest of his one-man market

that's my point

it has been a couple of days ago for hayward....this news of bosh is less than 4 hours old...bosh is also on vacation right now too...not sure when he is returning.

tbytc · Post #119 » by **tbytc** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:24 am

cpower wrote:
The Rebel wrote:
cpower wrote:Bosh was probably the luckiest player in the league for the last decade. He was drafted by a franchise led by Air Canada and was heading to have channing frye/charlie V type of career. Then Carter was traded and he became the franchise player and was given the freedom to do whatever he wanted on the court. Gotten to the playoffs twice in 7 years in Toronto and never passed the first round. Then became one of the big threes and won 2 rings and now have a chance to chase for more rings/money. How many star players in the last decade were given max money and winning rings at the same time? Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Dirk, Pierce, KG, Duncan and Bosh? He is easily the least talented from the list.

Are you really saying that Bosh is basically the same level talent as Frye and CV?

similar talent level with more work ethic. How would his career had panned out if he had to share with balls with Marbury, Jamal Crawford, Michael Redd or Mo Williams?

Still would be a 20/10 guy.
You are comparing bosh(24/10.8 with >50% shooting) to Frye and CV?

KI-DW-TT-AB · Post #120 » by **KI-DW-TT-AB** » Sun Jul 6, 2014 12:26 am

inquisitive wrote:
KI-DW-TT-AB wrote:
inquisitive wrote:
they didnt offer hayward one...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nb ... /12122479/

that's my point

it has been a couple of days ago for hayward....this news of bosh is less than 4 hours old...bosh is also on vacation right now too...not sure when he is returning.

I do hope Bosh signs with Houston obviously but I'm not going to jump the gun here