Suns and Bledsoe on the Verge of Irreparable Relationship

[spaceballer]

More impact than Parsons and Hayward. Deserves the max more than they did.

Not the same thing at all.

He's asking for more money than Lowry just got. Lowry is arguably a larger impact player than the injured Bledsoe.

Parsons and Hayward aren't point guards. PG is a very talent stacked position right now. Supply and demand means that a PG like Bledsoe isn't going to get more than other positions that aren't as stacked. See Lowry.

Parsons and Hayward also don't have the same injury issues and doubts that plague Bledsoe.

[disenfranchised]

I'd tell Bledsoe to kick rocks

he probably shouldn't, he's already an injury risk

[SBM]

More impact than Parsons and Hayward. Deserves the max more than they did.

Not the same thing at all.

He's asking for more money than Lowry just got. Lowry is arguably a larger impact player than the injured Bledsoe.

Parsons and Hayward aren't point guards. PG is a very talent stacked position right now. Supply and demand means that a PG like Bledsoe isn't going to get more than other positions that aren't as stacked. See Lowry.

Parsons and Hayward also don't have the same injury issues and doubts that plague Bledsoe.

Disagree that is why I used the word impact. Bledsoe could carry a team before Parsons or Hayward could. So, in my mind he is more worthy of the max salary which should only be given to players who have first option potential on a winning team in my mind. Neither Parsons or Hayward have that. Position does not matter when thinking about rather you should max a player or not.

[spaceballer]

More impact than Parsons and Hayward. Deserves the max more than they did.

Not the same thing at all.

He's asking for more money than Lowry just got. Lowry is arguably a larger impact player than the injured Bledsoe.

Parsons and Hayward aren't point guards. PG is a very talent stacked position right now. Supply and demand means that a PG like Bledsoe isn't going to get more than other positions that aren't as stacked. See Lowry.

Parsons and Hayward also don't have the same injury issues and doubts that plague Bledsoe.

Disagree that is why I used the word impact. Bledsoe could carry a team before Parsons or Hayward could. So, in my mind he is more worthy of the max salary which should only be giving to players who have first option potential on a winning team in my mind. Neither Parsons or Hayward have that.

Ask the Raptors fans how much impact Lowry had in pulling their team into the playoffs. He has more impact than Bledsoe. If Lowry isn't worth the max in this market as an unrestricted free agent, then injury prone Bledsoe certainly isn't.

Parsons and Hayward don't need to have as much impact to be paid more than Bledsoe. Supply and demand, point guards are more talent flush than other positions, so you're going to be paid less, regardless of whether it's fair or not based on "impact." Besides, many think Parsons and Hayward are definitely at the high end of their payscale and possibly overpaid, which means you can't use those contracts as the base price for Bledsoe.

And whatever "impact" Bledsoe has is worthless if he can't stay on the court. He needs to prove he can put up a full year as a starter without getting injured before he's worth the max. The market has spoken, and they're not giving him the max with those injury concerns. Not when the market price of point guards like Lowry aren't getting maxed.

Again, don't use Parsons and Hayward as the basis of your argument:

1) supply and demand. PG's are more talent-saturated in the league right now. Look at Lowry's market price as an unrestricted free agent this year.

2) Health. Parsons and Hayward have it, Bledsoe doesn't yet due to injury risks, whether perceived or real.

Do you think Bledsoe, with his injury concerns and inability to put up a full season of good play as a starter, should be paid the max, more than what Lowry as an unrestricted free agent was able to get in the current PG-saturated market?

[SBM]

If there were 30 Lebrons wouldn't they all be max players?

[spaceballer]

If there were 30 Lebrons wouldn't they all be max players?

Bledsoe is not Lebron

Bledsoe isn't even in the top tier of PG's.

If there were 30 Chandler Parsons or 30 Haywards, none of them will get max.

And if there were 30 or 60 Lebrons (all as injury prone as Bledsoe and unable to put up a full season as a starter), then they wouldn't all get max. Read on up on the terms "comparative advantage", "supply and demand", "marginal value and diminishing returns" in economics.

[SF_Warriors]

curry, westbrook, cp3 are max level players.

Bledsoe is not. he wont average higher points or assists than those guys.

[Xsy]

curry, westbrook, cp3 are max level players.

Bledsoe is not. he wont average higher points or assists than those guys.

Curry had to take a low offer because of his injury risk. Looks like Bledsoe will have to do the same.

Bad luck, Bledsoe.

[tiderulz]

curry, westbrook, cp3 are max level players.

Bledsoe is not. he wont average higher points or assists than those guys.

except when Curry's shot isnt falling, he is a ghost. Bledsoe can impact a game whether his shot is falling or not

[SBM]

If there were 30 Lebrons wouldn't they all be max players?

Bledsoe is not Lebron

Bledsoe isn't even in the top tier of PG's.

If there were 30 Chandler Parsons or 30 Haywards, none of them will get max.

And if there were 30 or 60 Lebrons (all as injury prone as Bledsoe and unable to put up a full season as a starter), then they wouldn't all get max. Read on up on the terms "comparative advantage", "supply and demand", "marginal value and diminishing returns" in economics.

I don't need to read up on anything. I made the point I was trying to make. People are talking about since the PG position is so deep Bledsoe should not get the max. I am simply saying that makes 0 sense if there were 30 PG's worth the max why wouldn't they all get the max? If there are 30 BMW's on the lot all worth $50,000 why would you sell them for anything less?

[Winsome Gerbil]

If there were 30 Lebrons wouldn't they all be max players?

Bledsoe is not Lebron

Bledsoe isn't even in the top tier of PG's.

If there were 30 Chandler Parsons or 30 Haywards, none of them will get max.

And if there were 30 or 60 Lebrons (all as injury prone as Bledsoe and unable to put up a full season as a starter), then they wouldn't all get max. Read on up on the terms "comparative advantage", "supply and demand", "marginal value and diminishing returns" in economics.

I don't need to read up on anything. I made the point I was trying to make. People are talking about since the PG position is so deep Bledsoe should not get the max. I am simply saying that makes 0 sense if there were 30 PG's worth the max why wouldn't they all get the max? If there are 30 BMW's on the lot all worth $50,000 why would you sell them for anything less?

I'm not sure which of you is playing semantic games, but the problem might be "worth the max" as a phrase. Once you say somebody is "worth the max" you've already determined his value. It might be better to say somebody was an 8/10 or 9/10 as a PG or something. Then the supply/demand argument hits home. If the average NBA player could average 20ppg, then obviously nobody would bother paying a 20ppg scorer max money, because plenty more where that came from. Hence Bledsoe is only "worth the max" if he's such a rare commodity as to be nearly irreplaceable.

[spaceballer]

If there were 30 Lebrons wouldn't they all be max players?

Bledsoe is not Lebron

Bledsoe isn't even in the top tier of PG's.

If there were 30 Chandler Parsons or 30 Haywards, none of them will get max.

And if there were 30 or 60 Lebrons (all as injury prone as Bledsoe and unable to put up a full season as a starter), then they wouldn't all get max. Read on up on the terms "comparative advantage", "supply and demand", "marginal value and diminishing returns" in economics.

I don't need to read up on anything. I made the point I was trying to make. People are talking about since the PG position is so deep Bledsoe should not get the max. I am simply saying that makes 0 sense if there were 30 PG's worth the max why wouldn't they all get the max? If there are 30 BMW's on the lot all worth $50,000 why would you sell them for anything less?

Again, you are starting your entire argument from the erroneous position that Bledsoe is worth the max. Look at the salary Kyle Lowry just signed.

If every player in the league played at Lebron's level, then it would no longer be superstar level, but league average and not worth the max. In that case, comparative advantage comes into play where the marginal value of adding another Lebron onto a team is eclipsed by the marginal value of adding the number 1 center or number 1 pg. A team of 5 lebrons would lose to a team of 4 Lebrons + a Hakeem Olajuwon or Yao Ming or something, because there would be diminishing returns on the marginal value of adding another league average MLE Lebron compared to the comparative advantage of adding the number 1 center in the NBA in terms of the next progressive increment of marginal utility in that roster addition. Take an Econ101 class.

And it's not just because of the position of play, but also because of health issues you haven't addressed. What is the point of paying Bledsoe so much money if he hasn't even proven that he can play an entire season as a starter at a high level without getting injured?

Kyle Lowry is arguably a better player with more impact on his team. In the current market, even without the health concerns of Beldsoe, and even as an unrestricted free agent unlike Bledsoe, Lowry was unable to get the market to give him the max. And you're saying that injury prone Bledsoe who hasn't proven anything is suppose to get the max?

The market isn't what you want it to be. It is what it is. And as seen in the Lowry free agency, Bledsoe is not worth the max.

[ferk]

If there were 30 Lebrons wouldn't they all be max players?

Bledsoe is not Lebron

Bledsoe isn't even in the top tier of PG's.

If there were 30 Chandler Parsons or 30 Haywards, none of them will get max.

And if there were 30 or 60 Lebrons (all as injury prone as Bledsoe and unable to put up a full season as a starter), then they wouldn't all get max. Read on up on the terms "comparative advantage", "supply and demand", "marginal value and diminishing returns" in economics.

I don't need to read up on anything. I made the point I was trying to make. People are talking about since the PG position is so deep Bledsoe should not get the max. I am simply saying that makes 0 sense if there were 30 PG's worth the max why wouldn't they all get the max? If there are 30 BMW's on the lot all worth $50,000 why would you sell them for anything less?

you do know you don't have to pay the sticker price right ?

not reading up on anything may be your problem .

[LBPTarHeel27]

If there were 30 Lebrons wouldn't they all be max players?

Bledsoe is not Lebron

Bledsoe isn't even in the top tier of PG's.

If there were 30 Chandler Parsons or 30 Haywards, none of them will get max.

And if there were 30 or 60 Lebrons (all as injury prone as Bledsoe and unable to put up a full season as a starter), then they wouldn't all get max. Read on up on the terms "comparative advantage", "supply and demand", "marginal value and diminishing returns" in economics.

I don't need to read up on anything. I made the point I was trying to make. People are talking about since the PG position is so deep Bledsoe should not get the max. I am simply saying that makes 0 sense if there were 30 PG's worth the max why wouldn't they all get the max? If there are 30 BMW's on the lot all worth $50,000 why would you sell them for anything less?

Supply and demand good sir.

If there are 30 PG's in the league worth the max...I am NOT paying the max. I'll sit back, be team #30 that grabs a pg and pay less than the max and use that extra money elsewhere. No other team is going to pay a 2nd PG a 2nd max contract.

Your logic isn't very sound and the BMW metaphor doesn't fit your scenario.

[Basileus777]

He has no leverage, he's restricted in a market without anyone else able and willing to offer him more.

[SBM]

Bledsoe is not Lebron

Bledsoe isn't even in the top tier of PG's.

If there were 30 Chandler Parsons or 30 Haywards, none of them will get max.

And if there were 30 or 60 Lebrons (all as injury prone as Bledsoe and unable to put up a full season as a starter), then they wouldn't all get max. Read on up on the terms "comparative advantage", "supply and demand", "marginal value and diminishing returns" in economics.

I don't need to read up on anything. I made the point I was trying to make. People are talking about since the PG position is so deep Bledsoe should not get the max. I am simply saying that makes 0 sense if there were 30 PG's worth the max why wouldn't they all get the max? If there are 30 BMW's on the lot all worth $50,000 why would you sell them for anything less?

Supply and demand good sir.

If there are 30 PG's in the league worth the max...I am NOT paying the max. I'll sit back, be team #30 that grabs a pg and pay less than the max and use that extra money elsewhere. No other team is going to pay a 2nd PG a 2nd max contract.

Your logic isn't very sound and the BMW metaphor doesn't fit your scenario.

Nothing you say makes sense and you have the nerve to question someone's else logic. If there are 30 BMW's on the lot worth $50,000 and 5 Grand Am's on the lot worth $20,000 just because I have fewer Grand Am's does that drive the price up for them? The answer is no. There are several ways to look at things and yours is illogical to me.

[LBPTarHeel27]

I don't need to read up on anything. I made the point I was trying to make. People are talking about since the PG position is so deep Bledsoe should not get the max. I am simply saying that makes 0 sense if there were 30 PG's worth the max why wouldn't they all get the max? If there are 30 BMW's on the lot all worth $50,000 why would you sell them for anything less?

Supply and demand good sir.

If there are 30 PG's in the league worth the max...I am NOT paying the max. I'll sit back, be team #30 that grabs a pg and pay less than the max and use that extra money elsewhere. No other team is going to pay a 2nd PG a 2nd max contract.

Your logic isn't very sound and the BMW metaphor doesn't fit your scenario.

Nothing you say makes sense and you have the nerve to question someone's else logic. If there are 30 BMW's on the lot worth $50,000 and 5 Grand Am's on the lot worth $20,000 just because I have fewer Grand Am's does that drive the price up for them? The answer is no. There are several ways to look at things and yours is illogical to me.

I'll break it down very easily...

-30 max caliber PG's available
-30 teams looking for a PG

You're telling me that if you are the 30th team to sign a PG, you would still give him a max contract even though the market would allow you to pay less? All other 29 teams have their Max PG. There is 1 left. No one else will offer the max...but you will?

Your car example only makes sense if you are saying there are 30 BMW's and only 30 customers looking to buy. The same can be said there. If I'm the dealer and have sold 29 cars and there is only 1 buyer out there...it would be naive of the seller to think they can still get the full price. The buyer has all the power, otherwise that car never gets sold.

...and as far as your $20.000 Grand Am inclusion...it still doesn't really relate but if you want to stretch it...your Grand Am example is basically big men in the NBA. They receive higher and more undeserving contracts because of the shortage and quality of big men. A decent big man is gonna make more than an above average wing player. That is a fact that history has proven time and time again.

[Alyosha12]

Supply and demand good sir.

If there are 30 PG's in the league worth the max...I am NOT paying the max. I'll sit back, be team #30 that grabs a pg and pay less than the max and use that extra money elsewhere. No other team is going to pay a 2nd PG a 2nd max contract.

Your logic isn't very sound and the BMW metaphor doesn't fit your scenario.

Nothing you say makes sense and you have the nerve to question someone's else logic. If there are 30 BMW's on the lot worth $50,000 and 5 Grand Am's on the lot worth $20,000 just because I have fewer Grand Am's does that drive the price up for them? The answer is no. There are several ways to look at things and yours is illogical to me.

I'll break it down very easily...

-30 max caliber PG's available
-30 teams looking for a PG

You're telling me that if you are the 30th team to sign a PG, you would still give him a max contract even though the market would allow you to pay less? All other 29 teams have their Max PG. There is 1 left. No one else will offer the max...but you will?

Your car example only makes sense if you are saying there are 30 BMW's and only 30 customers looking to buy. The same can be said there. If I'm the dealer and have sold 29 cars and there is only 1 buyer out there...it would be naive of the seller to think they can still get the full price. The buyer has all the power, otherwise that car never gets sold.

...and as far as your $20.000 Grand Am inclusion...it still doesn't really relate but if you want to stretch it...your Grand Am example is basically big men in the NBA. They receive higher and more undeserving contracts because of the shortage and quality of big men. A decent big man is gonna make more than an above average wing player. That is a fact that history has proven time and time again.

Applaud this man!

I love it, when people use logic on the Internet. So rare and refreshing.

[goldrodd]

The answer is....Sign and Trade Eric Bledsoe to the Lakers for Jordan Hill, Steve Nash and Wesley Johnson. This gives Phoenix a rebounder,scoring off the bench and retiring Steve Nash in a Suns uniform.For the Lakers it's biscuits and gravy. Eric drives the ball downpour. Make this move build a core of Bledsoe and Randle going forward.

[boren]

The answer is....Sign and Trade Eric Bledsoe to the Lakers for Jordan Hill, Steve Nash and Wesley Johnson. This gives Phoenix a rebounder,scoring off the bench and retiring Steve Nash in a Suns uniform.For the Lakers it's biscuits and gravy. Eric drives the ball downpour. Make this move build a core of Bledsoe and Randle going forward.

It took 5 years, but this suggestion earned you your first And1