Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire

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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#101 » by HotRocks34 » Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:52 pm

The article is real:

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...and it's been out, the issue, for at least a few days now (saw people talking about it on Twitter from like October 15th or so). But it only seems to be available online with ESPN Insider (or if you buy the magazine) at this time. The issue is the October 27, 2014 one.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#102 » by Clemenza » Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:57 pm

The Lakers used to draft really well along with winning 'ships. Magic, Worthy, Byron Scott, Kobe, Bynum, etc. That Nash deal is one of the worst ever imo. All those draft picks they gave up for him is unreal. And he only plays like 20 games a season.wow
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#103 » by HotRocks34 » Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:58 pm

Also, I saw this on another forum (Lakersground). A reader claims to have read the entire article and says it is "well written" and does not include any "homerism" from Abbott. You have to scroll down to read what this person says, his username is "Kidd Supreme:"

http://bit.ly/ZL7bA3

The article is well written article. There is nothing in the content to suggest any sort of bias on Henry's part. Just an honest examination of the circumstances of Kobe's career since it had started in 1996. I think the most eye opening graphic in the article is the timeline showing how often the Lakers front office had been able to pair and sometimes triple up talent over the years. That stopped once Kobe arrived unfortunately. The only time Kobe had played with a superstar over 150 games had either been Shaq and Pau.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#104 » by Yoshun » Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:06 pm

With the exception of 2 or 3 seasons, Kobe played his entire career with another star. Shaq and Pau both stayed for several seasons. The reason why stars don't want to join with Kobe now is because he's old and they know he isn't going to be a cornerstone for a chip anymore. Why would a star go to the Lakers as they are now? Stars want to pair and tripple up to win rings.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#105 » by Shot Clock » Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:06 pm

SmoothKobra wrote:So....what happens when Kobe asks for a new contract in 2016? Do the Lakers still have to grant him another 30% of the cap deal because he's Kobe? The guy is holding the franchise hostage at this point, and probably stunting the development of Julius Randle.


That's the big question. No one knows if Kobe will want to stay. If he does they are really screwed.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#106 » by MistyMountain20 » Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:13 pm

HotRocks34 wrote:Also, I saw this on another forum (Lakersground). A reader claims to have read the entire article and says it is "well written" and does not include any "homerism" from Abbott. You have to scroll down to read what this person says, his username is "Kidd Supreme:"

http://bit.ly/ZL7bA3

The article is well written article. There is nothing in the content to suggest any sort of bias on Henry's part. Just an honest examination of the circumstances of Kobe's career since it had started in 1996. I think the most eye opening graphic in the article is the timeline showing how often the Lakers front office had been able to pair and sometimes triple up talent over the years. That stopped once Kobe arrived unfortunately. The only time Kobe had played with a superstar over 150 games had either been Shaq and Pau.

And yet someone else said this.

Actually I just read the actual ESPNmag article and that's pretty much exactly what it says. The article makes some pretty outrageous allegations and tries to explain away why the FO made the extension if Kobe is such a problem. The article is completely unsubstantiated: it's a whole lotta "says several NBA agents", "says one source close to Lakers decision makers", "says one rival team executive" type quoting. I'm not a fan of this kind of he said she said type "reporting". I've had my ups and downs with Kobe over the years, but I'm wary of the blatant vilifying of him in his final stage of his career, and just tired of the general ESPN shenanigans with Kobe and the Lakers.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#107 » by markjay » Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:16 pm

HotRocks34 wrote:Also, I saw this on another forum (Lakersground). A reader claims to have read the entire article and says it is "well written" and does not include any "homerism" from Abbott. You have to scroll down to read what this person says, his username is "Kidd Supreme:"

http://bit.ly/ZL7bA3

The article is well written article. There is nothing in the content to suggest any sort of bias on Henry's part. Just an honest examination of the circumstances of Kobe's career since it had started in 1996. I think the most eye opening graphic in the article is the timeline showing how often the Lakers front office had been able to pair and sometimes triple up talent over the years. That stopped once Kobe arrived unfortunately. The only time Kobe had played with a superstar over 150 games had either been Shaq and Pau.


This is actually pretty funny. During Kobe's entire career the anti-Kobe narrative has been that he has never been able to win by himself, but only because he was surrounded by so much talent. Now the anti-Kobe narrative is that he hurt the team by preventing them from building talented teams.

So which is it?
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#108 » by Slava » Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:56 pm

The way espn has been treating kobe especially at the end of his career is in stark contrast to the amount knob slobbering Jeter received in his final season.

Like him or not he's a legend that deserves better than to be driven out of the sport he contributed so much for 19 seasons with pitch forks by talentless hacks.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#109 » by irie » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:19 pm

I don't see the big deal of having Kobe stick around. Two more years of mid to late lottery teams, probably, with tons of fan service for Kobe. Then some more years of lottery. Just be patient, and when they come out of it they'll have a few lottery guys to go forward with, cap space, and a jersey to retire of a lifelong Laker who never played a minute for another team. Who cares how much you paid him? He was worth all of it, and then some.

I love the package the Celtics got for an old Pierce and KG. It was great return, and it will continue to reap benefits for 4 more years worth of assets. But the Lakers fans will always be able to look back at one of the greatest who ever played, and he only played for that franchise. I kind of wish I could say that about Pierce (although he's not in the same category of greatness, he was still a great Celtic).

I think Lakers fans will just continue to enjoy his last seasons. No point in engaging with those who just revel in the down years of Los Angeles.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#110 » by TyCobb » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:27 pm

LOL. So far from the truth.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#111 » by Imon » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:33 pm

I don't totally buy the argument that the Kobe contract is worth it and more because he puts butts in seats. I do think there are those people who will come see Kobe just to see Kobe but more so than any one individual winning brings people to the arena.

It's not a coincidence that the Lakers sellout streak snapped last season. The last time they didn't sellout was during the 2006-07 season (Kobe plus Kwame & Smush will do that).

I still believe the Lakers will have plenty of people in attendance and there will be lots of media coverage on Kobe's farewell tour but Kobe plus scrubs doesn't exactly make for a hot ticket.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#112 » by suntzuballin » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:52 pm

bryant\nash contract is one half but having lin\young think there gonna be in rush hr 4 is the other half..
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#113 » by Slava » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:57 pm

Imon wrote:I don't totally buy the argument that the Kobe contract is worth it and more because he puts butts in seats. I do think there are those people who will come see Kobe just to see Kobe but more so than any one individual winning brings people to the arena.

It's not a coincidence that the Lakers sellout streak snapped last season. The last time they didn't sellout was during the 2006-07 season (Kobe plus Kwame & Smush will do that).

I still believe the Lakers will have plenty of people in attendance and there will be lots of media coverage on Kobe's farewell tour but Kobe plus scrubs doesn't exactly make for a hot ticket.


You can always have sell outs when you sell for cheap. Lakers still attract the second most expensive home and road tickets for next season according to Forbes.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#114 » by Teen Girl Squad » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:11 pm

Kobe's contract is bad but the biggest problem with keeping him has been the surprisingly large portion of the fanbase who thinks we are just a few small pieces away from contention, meaning a delay rebuilding. Kobe should have been amnestied and told to heal up for the year when the Dwight/Nash moves didn't work. Lakers' best hope now is that their current team will be bad again, and with luck will get a top 5 pick (to avoid giving it to PHX this year) so that we have some young lottery talent to start rebuilding around.
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Post#115 » by FatSam » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:22 pm

HotRocks34 wrote:Also, I saw this on another forum (Lakersground). A reader claims to have read the entire article and says it is "well written" and does not include any "homerism" from Abbott. You have to scroll down to read what this person says, his username is "Kidd Supreme:"

http://bit.ly/ZL7bA3

The article is well written article. There is nothing in the content to suggest any sort of bias on Henry's part. Just an honest examination of the circumstances of Kobe's career since it had started in 1996. I think the most eye opening graphic in the article is the timeline showing how often the Lakers front office had been able to pair and sometimes triple up talent over the years. That stopped once Kobe arrived unfortunately. The only time Kobe had played with a superstar over 150 games had either been Shaq and Pau.



"Kidd Supreme" is a fellow ESPN writer, Larry Coon, who is likely the source for Abbott. Larry is a LG mod, and he has numerous side accounts he uses...so take this sensationalism with a Grain of salt. Also, Abbott has been writing negative Kobe articles, every year, since he was a forum moderator at Oregon Live message boards. Kobe gets hits, and he knows it.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#116 » by mosdef » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:40 pm

LeChosen One wrote:Kobe handicapped them by taking that contract.. Always talking about trying to win a 6th ring, then throws that out the window for money :lol:


The FO office offered him that contract, not like he demanded it

also that front office gave Jordan Hill $9 million a year. they probably would have overpaid another guy if Kobe was signed to less money.
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Post#117 » by fancynapkin » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:41 pm

Here are scans of the mag: http://imgur.com/a/FDqmy
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#118 » by fancynapkin » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:47 pm

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Slava wrote:Asking Henry Abbott for an opinion on Kobe is like asking Fox news for their opinion on Obama. You already know the answer before he opens his mouth.


Who is asking for Abbott's opinion here? This is about the Lakers FO.

cute analogy though...


No fancytampon, unless abbott comes up with a direct quote, his only sources are his ass and his mouth.


Lakers would have a better season if they got advice from Abbott's ass and mouth.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#119 » by EnigmaticProblem » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:51 pm

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LeChosen One wrote:Kobe handicapped them by taking that contract.. Always talking about trying to win a 6th ring, then throws that out the window for money :lol:


The FO office offered him that contract, not like he demanded it

also that front office gave Jordan Hill $9 million a year. they probably would have overpaid another guy if Kobe was signed to less money.

Jordan Hill has one of the most cap-friendly contracts in the entire league, and that's exactly why he was given $9 million a year. That contract has a team option at the end of the season, making it a highly valuable asset-- Furthermore, if the contract cannot be moved in conjunction with other contracts by the end of this season, they can accept the team option and keep him as an expiring, a valuable asset, for next season.

Kobe Bryant puts the Lakers in a difficult bind simply because allowing him to retire anywhere other than L.A. would be a public relations nightmare. You simply can't move him, nor can you allow him to leave should he decide to extend his career. Kobe Bryant has been a revelation for the Lakers over the course of his career, but he's an anchor at this point-- We just gotta wait it out.
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Re: Henry Abbot: Lakers FO can't wait for Kobe to retire 

Post#120 » by MistyMountain20 » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:54 pm

fancynapkin wrote:
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fancynapkin wrote:
Who is asking for Abbott's opinion here? This is about the Lakers FO.

cute analogy though...


No fancytampon, unless abbott comes up with a direct quote, his only sources are his ass and his mouth.


Lakers would have a better season if they got advice from Abbott's ass and mouth.

It's a wonder Abbott hasn't found a job in an NBA front office yet and is still typing away furiously on Kobe's shortcomings.

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