Doc: 'great teambuilding moment. fantastic. absolutely wonderful; DJ will be better at this when hes a FA again in 3yrs'

[Albo19]

None of their players are winners. As a team, they are losers.

Their fans are bandwagon losers. They have never won anything, and they will never win anything.

You need to get a grip.

[qm22]

Doc's son, Austin Rivers is going to be a target by other players

No he won't. But you're kind of sick for thinking this.

Parsons might try to light the Clippers up, given his feelings. But he probably isn't capable of doing so.

[og15]

Doc's son, Austin Rivers is going to be a target by other players

No he won't. But you're kind of sick for thinking this.

Parsons might try to light the Clippers up, given his feelings. But he probably isn't capable of doing so.

I'm just not sure why anyone would think that other teams or players would be outraged at this. They are probably laughing or shaking their heads, but it doesn't affect them in any hurtful way, so why in the world would they care?

[GuyverX]

Doc's son, Austin Rivers is going to be a target by other players

No he won't. But you're kind of sick for thinking this.

Parsons might try to light the Clippers up, given his feelings. But he probably isn't capable of doing so.

I'm just not sure why anyone would think that other teams or players would be outraged at this. They are probably laughing or shaking their heads, but it doesn't affect them in any hurtful way, so why in the world would they care?

Exactly. And so far, there haven't been any teams or players coming forward reneging their deals so it really just affects the Mavericks. Outside of them, nobody is going to really care about this once the season starts and definitely not a year from now. It hasn't even been a day yet. It'll be old news soon enough. The only person really looking bad in this is DJ and 4 years from now is a pretty long time.

[Texas Chuck]

Doc's son, Austin Rivers is going to be a target by other players

No he won't. But you're kind of sick for thinking this.

Parsons might try to light the Clippers up, given his feelings. But he probably isn't capable of doing so.

I'm just not sure why anyone would think that other teams or players would be outraged at this. They are probably laughing or shaking their heads, but it doesn't affect them in any hurtful way, so why in the world would they care?

No one is going to target Austin--that's pathetic to even suggest.

But other teams and players were absolutely affected by this situation. Stunned that you can't see that?

edit: guess you are referring just to Doc's comments after the fact. I don't think many are laughing. I think most are like the rest of us and really disappointed in a guy we had a ton of respect for.

[og15]

No he won't. But you're kind of sick for thinking this.

Parsons might try to light the Clippers up, given his feelings. But he probably isn't capable of doing so.

I'm just not sure why anyone would think that other teams or players would be outraged at this. They are probably laughing or shaking their heads, but it doesn't affect them in any hurtful way, so why in the world would they care?

Exactly. And so far, there haven't been any teams or players coming forward reneging their deals so it really just affects the Mavericks. Outside of them, nobody is going to really care about this once the season starts and definitely not a year from now. It hasn't even been a day yet. It'll be old news soon enough.

Of course not...

DJ is not the first guy to do it, but there's a reason there haven't been many players to do this. Firstly, players usually try to make their decisions AFTER they are actually sure, you know, decide, then agree. Secondly players aren't lining up for the backlash of being "that guy" it's not some nice fun position to do this for a player or a team. I could understand if there was some sort of glamour to being the guy that said "okay I'll sign" then changed their mind at the last minute. Oh yes, a whole fan base hates me now, just what I was looking for. Thirdly players aren't taking the example of a 26 year old who in certain areas has the maturity of a 17 year old.

[Texas Chuck]

Exactly. And so far, there haven't been any teams or players coming forward reneging their deals so it really just affects the Mavericks. Outside of them, nobody is going to really care about this once the season starts and definitely not a year from now. It hasn't even been a day yet. It'll be old news soon enough. The only person really looking bad in this is DJ and 4 years from now is a pretty long time.

Oh well at least one Clippers fan is still operating under the delusion that this didn't impact other players or teams. I mean you can't seriously think this? Defend your organization and even Jordan if you want, but at least acknowledge the impact this had around the league. SMH

[GuyverX]

Exactly. And so far, there haven't been any teams or players coming forward reneging their deals so it really just affects the Mavericks. Outside of them, nobody is going to really care about this once the season starts and definitely not a year from now. It hasn't even been a day yet. It'll be old news soon enough. The only person really looking bad in this is DJ and 4 years from now is a pretty long time.

Oh well at least one Clippers fan is still operating under the delusion that this didn't impact other players or teams. I mean you can't seriously think this? Defend your organization and even Jordan if you want, but at least acknowledge the impact this had around the league. SMH

I look at it this way...Dallas gets screwed. But other teams? They were operating under the assumption that DeAndre Jordan was already off the table. He already committed to Dallas. So really, it doesn't affect them much. They were negotiating with players as usual. Dallas having tons of capspace left over because of Jordan's change of heart doesn't affect them. I don't see why they would have this vendetta or grudge against the Clippers at all. Dallas? Yes. The only exception would be if Mark Cuban somehow contacted say, Tyson Chandler and offered him a deal at the 11th hour for him not to go to Phoenix. There could have been a domino effect. That stuff hasn't occurred.

[JDizzel3000]

Exactly. And so far, there haven't been any teams or players coming forward reneging their deals so it really just affects the Mavericks. Outside of them, nobody is going to really care about this once the season starts and definitely not a year from now. It hasn't even been a day yet. It'll be old news soon enough. The only person really looking bad in this is DJ and 4 years from now is a pretty long time.

Oh well at least one Clippers fan is still operating under the delusion that this didn't impact other players or teams. I mean you can't seriously think this? Defend your organization and even Jordan if you want, but at least acknowledge the impact this had around the league. SMH

What impact? Some Twitter memes? Lol Jesus Christ man what are you even talking about ....how about you ACTAULLY substantiate the hot air that your blowing instead of beating your brow at some else for making a clearly logical point .....I mean we get it your upset over this but for crying out loud man ....

[og15]

No he won't. But you're kind of sick for thinking this.

Parsons might try to light the Clippers up, given his feelings. But he probably isn't capable of doing so.

I'm just not sure why anyone would think that other teams or players would be outraged at this. They are probably laughing or shaking their heads, but it doesn't affect them in any hurtful way, so why in the world would they care?

No one is going to target Austin--that's pathetic to even suggest.

But other teams and players were absolutely affected by this situation. Stunned that you can't see that?

edit: guess you are referring just to Doc's comments after the fact. I don't think many are laughing. I think most are like the rest of us and really disappointed in a guy we had a ton of respect for.

You're talking about an effect that could have been similar had DJ chosen the Clippers earlier also. I don't think anyone believes that Hibbert is staying up at night saying "nooo, I could have been a Mav, I hate the Clippers". He's most likely just saying "meh, ah well", or who knows, maybe he's even happier. Maybe Koufos could've gotten more money if the Mavs were an option, who knows, but he's not going to be seething and sitting on that, just waiting until he plays the Clippers this season.

Of course you're not laughing as a Mavs fan, I'm not laughing either because it was all unnecessary hoopla when most of it could have been avoided. I have friends who are Warriors, Heat, Pacers and Rockets fans and who aren't outraged by everything like forum members like to be, and they texted me laughing about the whole situation yesterday because the whole circus of yesterday was just a joke to them. It was more entertainment than they expected from NBA free agency and they laughed.

What impact exactly do you feel that this had where there are players and teams outside of Dallas who are just boiling that DJ changed his mind?

[N8N]

It's a lose-lose for Doc. He could have stayed silent but it does nothing for his team. Can't be mad at the Clippers, can't be mad at DJ or Doc. The people involved, sure, they have the right to be emotional about it. But I feel as a fan, I'm just glad this was over and DJ went to a place that he really felt was his home instead of pulling a Rondo with us. It could have been handled better but it's done.

[Texas Chuck]

Dallas had $20M to spend. LAC had Zero.

I don't understand how anyone could think taking $20M out of the market like this wouldn't affect players. But please just write it off as sour grapes despite my posts being all over multiple forums being very reasonable about this subject.

[qm22]

Dallas had $20M to spend. LAC had Zero.

I don't understand how anyone could think taking $20M out of the market like this wouldn't affect players. But please just write it off as sour grapes despite my posts being all over multiple forums being very reasonable about this subject.

What's your point about money in the market? Now there is one less FA in the market and therefore more money elsewhere. Because DJ stayed with his home team there is more spending on players in total and rival FAs have more potential money.

[QRich3]

Exactly. And so far, there haven't been any teams or players coming forward reneging their deals so it really just affects the Mavericks. Outside of them, nobody is going to really care about this once the season starts and definitely not a year from now. It hasn't even been a day yet. It'll be old news soon enough. The only person really looking bad in this is DJ and 4 years from now is a pretty long time.

Oh well at least one Clippers fan is still operating under the delusion that this didn't impact other players or teams. I mean you can't seriously think this? Defend your organization and even Jordan if you want, but at least acknowledge the impact this had around the league. SMH

Come on now, only FA centers left when it was made public he committed with you, were Koufos and Wright, and you were likely to pass on both. Stop acting like this was some unprecedented league-wide phenomenon. It'd all probably unfold very similarly as it did in the end. It is what it is, you were f*cked by the very same reason you were able to convince him, he's a malleable child. It's not that big a deal for half the internet to be melting down in whiny outrage. It will be out of the news cycle in a few days, and it will be remembered as an anecdote in a year or two, like all the other times it's happened.

[Roscoe Sheed]

None of their players are winners. As a team, they are losers.

Their fans are bandwagon losers. They have never won anything, and they will never win anything.

Paul Pierce

[Texas Chuck]

Dallas had $20M to spend. LAC had Zero.

I don't understand how anyone could think taking $20M out of the market like this wouldn't affect players. But please just write it off as sour grapes despite my posts being all over multiple forums being very reasonable about this subject.

What's your point about money in the market? Now there is one less FA in the market and therefore more money elsewhere. Because DJ stayed with his home team there is more spending on players in total and rival FAs have more potential money.

That $20M was not available because Dallas had committed it to Jordan a WEEK ago. Obviously other free agents had to pounce on the offers available in the meantime. They couldn't wait thinking maybe Dallas will get that money and give it to me.

It had an impact.

[Texas Chuck]

Exactly. And so far, there haven't been any teams or players coming forward reneging their deals so it really just affects the Mavericks. Outside of them, nobody is going to really care about this once the season starts and definitely not a year from now. It hasn't even been a day yet. It'll be old news soon enough. The only person really looking bad in this is DJ and 4 years from now is a pretty long time.

Oh well at least one Clippers fan is still operating under the delusion that this didn't impact other players or teams. I mean you can't seriously think this? Defend your organization and even Jordan if you want, but at least acknowledge the impact this had around the league. SMH

Come on now, only FA centers left when it was made public he committed with you, were Koufos and Wright, and you were likely to pass on both. Stop acting like this was some unprecedented league-wide phenomenon. It'd all probably unfold very similarly as it did in the end. It is what it is, you were f*cked by the very same reason you were able to convince him, he's a malleable child. It's not that big a deal for half the internet to be melting down in whiny outrage. It will be out of the news cycle in a few days, and it will be remembered as an anecdote in a year or two, like all the other times it's happened.

You are a great poster and I have tons of respect for you. And I agree that the ramifications probably aren't that severe. But they aren't nothing either. And I'm sure not just centers, but other players would have loved having Cuban to use as leverage even if they signed in the same places.

So I'm certainly guilty of over-selling it, but I think Clippers fans are being a little cavalier in their outright rejection.

[Alienware]

This is so lame. What they did was pathetic, and they're handling it probably even worse.

Sent from my Cyanogen Phone

[BKing10]

Do you think the Clips realize that the 2nd round isn't an accomplishment? The way they hold themselves I wouldn't be surprised if they had rings made up. Win something before acting all cocky

[QRich3]

Oh well at least one Clippers fan is still operating under the delusion that this didn't impact other players or teams. I mean you can't seriously think this? Defend your organization and even Jordan if you want, but at least acknowledge the impact this had around the league. SMH

Come on now, only FA centers left when it was made public he committed with you, were Koufos and Wright, and you were likely to pass on both. Stop acting like this was some unprecedented league-wide phenomenon. It'd all probably unfold very similarly as it did in the end. It is what it is, you were f*cked by the very same reason you were able to convince him, he's a malleable child. It's not that big a deal for half the internet to be melting down in whiny outrage. It will be out of the news cycle in a few days, and it will be remembered as an anecdote in a year or two, like all the other times it's happened.

You are a great poster and I have tons of respect for you. And I agree that the ramifications probably aren't that severe. But they aren't nothing either. And I'm sure not just centers, but other players would have loved having Cuban to use as leverage even if they signed in the same places.

So I'm certainly guilty of over-selling it, but I think Clippers fans are being a little cavalier in their outright rejection.

Listen Chuck, I respect you a lot as a poster too, and I'm sure I'd be saying very similar things if I was in your position, but I think with time you'll be able to see it's not that big a deal. You're not in a bad position to rebuild, when time passes we'll be able to discuss if it even was that good an idea for you to be stuck with a DJ-Parsons-Wes core, and all the group-thinking children moaning all around the forum will have moved to whatever the beehive says is the trend of the week. It's easier for us to see it with distance of course, but we've been in that very position before.