What's Devin Booker's ceiling?

Post #101 » by **zimpy27** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:48 pm

Klay Thompson but not as good on D.

thamadkant · Post #102 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:58 pm

I hate Klay comparison. Apart from their skin colour and ability to shoot the 3... They play differently.

Klay is a 3D plus type... Best in the league at that.
Booker isnt the defender as Klay is... But has more offensive creativity.

Booker... To me has grown.
I think Ray Allen was a tier above athletically.

Some saying Harden hybrid... Hmm.
I started to think about that lately.

I was seeing Booker as a very rich man's Redick/Beal hybrid.

But lately... That Harden hybrid comparison is not far off.

aIvin adams · Post #103 » by **aIvin adams** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:59 pm

tredigs wrote:
I don't care about what he's doing on terrible percentages in ultra high minutes for what has been the worst team in basketball over the last 2 months.

kent bazemore without the help defense

Johnny Firpo · Post #104 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:09 pm

bwgood77 wrote:A nice rebuttal to your fg% argument where a young rook is playing major minutes while defenses key on them and you best response is name calling someone a homer? Weak rebuttal on your part.

He is kind of right though. Citing any all time greats who had a bad shooting rookie season - which happens all the time - is a nonsensical argument unless you want to argue that players can get better (and sometimes much better) with time.

Post #105 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:29 pm

Johnny Firpo wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:A nice rebuttal to your fg% argument where a young rook is playing major minutes while defenses key on them and you best response is name calling someone a homer? Weak rebuttal on your part.

He is kind of right though. Citing any all time greats who had a bad shooting rookie season - which happens all the time - is a nonsensical argument unless you want to argue that players can get better (and sometimes much better) with time.

No one is claiming he is the next Durant, but when someone points out that he cannot reach a certain ceiling because of shooting %s, and someone points out that an all time great who is a great 3 pt shooter even shot worse from deep his rookie year, it's a valid point.

A good enough point to where the only rebuttal available was calling someone a homer.

HeartBreakKid · Post #106 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:01 pm

tredigs wrote:
mowcrowbar wrote:"Prime Reggie Miller, or Ray Allen" Are you kidding me?

On a team with 5 wins in the last 3 months of action where he's averaging <43% FG and <34% 3pt in that span. Classic.

For his age, that's pretty good, plus he doesn't get that many easy shots.

Post #107 » by **Qwigglez** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 10:44 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Johnny Firpo wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:A nice rebuttal to your fg% argument where a young rook is playing major minutes while defenses key on them and you best response is name calling someone a homer? Weak rebuttal on your part.

He is kind of right though. Citing any all time greats who had a bad shooting rookie season - which happens all the time - is a nonsensical argument unless you want to argue that players can get better (and sometimes much better) with time.

No one is claiming he is the next Durant, but when someone points out that he cannot reach a certain ceiling because of shooting %s, and someone points out that an all time great who is a great 3 pt shooter even shot worse from deep his rookie year, it's a valid point.

A good enough point to where the only rebuttal available was calling someone a homer.

Post #108 » by **Qwigglez** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:08 pm

tredigs wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:
tredigs wrote:On a team with 5 wins in the last 3 months of action where he's averaging <43% FG and <34% 3pt in that span. Classic.

Durant shot 43% FG and under 30% 3pt his rookie year. Classic.

Yikes you Suns homers are BAD right now. "Well KD ALSO sucked that bad % wise soo.... KD comparison?". LOL man c'mon. Should I roll out the list of hundreds upon hundreds of Dion Waiters' of the world who have also pulled off this anti-feat?

Listen, can we come to an agreement that a kid is showing potential without writing the HOF induction speech for a highly inconsistent rookie averaging 12/2/2 with weak D on a team with 5 wins in three months?

Highly inconsistent is a bit of a stretch. If you are talking about his first two months in the league, then yeah he was inconsistent because his playing time was inconsistent. Since starting however, he's really only had a stretch of 6 games post-all star break where he was shooting poorly. That coincides with teams scouting him better and zeroing in on Booker over the rest of the Suns players. Since that string of 6 games Booker has been playing at a phenomenal level over his past 5 games which I'm sure you'll disregard as playing against weak competition.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see how Booker finishes out the rest of the season. I'm sure if he continues to perform at a high level you'll just say he's a volume shooter and any 19 year old rookie can replicate those numbers.

Johnny Firpo · Post #109 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:28 pm

bwgood77 wrote:No one is claiming he is the next Durant, but when someone points out that he cannot reach a certain ceiling because of shooting %s, and someone points out that an all time great who is a great 3 pt shooter even shot worse from deep his rookie year, it's a valid point.

A good enough point to where the only rebuttal available was calling someone a homer.

Sure, he didn't flat out state it, but that doesn't mean the implication wasn't a little bit unnecessary. Don't get me wrong, a fan doesn't have to be realistic, I know I wasn't with a couple of Mavs prospects. The point is, most superstars' learning curve is an anomaly, they are able to improve a tremendous amount within short periods of time. Even implying that Booker could be the same way just because others went down that road before him is probably unrealistic. It rarely happens. With that said, he clearly has a perennial All-Star ceiling.

I think that's hard to argue, that combination of size, fluidity and shooting stroke is pretty rare. I see a lot of traits that could make him very, very good, but I don't see the traits that could make him an all time great. Durant (staying with the example) clearly had those, just like any other all time greats. So yeah, we can talk about the %'s until the morning, but elite prospects possess elite traits, very early. Durant had them during his quite average rookie season. It's not really about the actual production, but rather a combination of skills and physical traits. For example, I easily see several of those traits in Porzingis, even though he is probably less consistent on the offensive end than Booker.

gothehornets · Post #110 » by **gothehornets** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:57 pm

tredigs wrote:
gothehornets wrote:i never watched him but is michael redd a realistic projection?

Wrong SG named Michael bro, get with the thread.

wht do you mean wrong michael?

Post #111 » by **Qwigglez** » Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:16 am

gothehornets wrote:
tredigs wrote:
gothehornets wrote:i never watched him but is michael redd a realistic projection?

Wrong SG named Michael bro, get with the thread.

wht do you mean wrong michael?

He was getting at Michael Jordan, because Suns fans are saying Booker will be the next great HOF. In actuality, I think most people are saying stylistically Booker reminds them of certain players (Klay/Roy/Reggie/Allen/Hayward) they aren't saying he's gonna have the same career trajectory as they are.

F-Stop · Post #112 » by **F-Stop** » Sun Mar 13, 2016 12:27 am

IMO - Steve Smith

Until Booker is in a situation were he can be productive and win I can't go any higher on this guy right now.

NaturalBuns · Post #113 » by **NaturalBuns** » Sun Mar 13, 2016 2:44 am

Brandon Roy

saintEscaton · Post #114 » by **saintEscaton** » Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:03 am

Time for tredigs to eat up

cpower · Post #115 » by **cpower** » Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:05 am

kid can play. He will be a scary player one day.

aIvin adams · Post #116 » by **aIvin adams** » Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:10 am

saintEscaton wrote:Time for tredigs to eat up
Spoiler:

cmon 7/19? 0/5 3p?

more ron mercer than ray allen

DirtyDez · Post #117 » by **DirtyDez** » Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:14 am

11 assists and 0 turnovers tonight. That to me is more important than his 3pt drought because he will learn to balance both. When Bledsoe comes back he'll make Booker better and vice versa. Knight is a terrible PG but nights like tonight will overshadow his deficiencies.

How bout an Alex Len ceiling thread? He's been awesome since the ASB.

JMac1 · Post #118 » by **JMac1** » Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:15 am

How many assists tonight? Four of his shots were "blocked" including a three and two other threes were late clock heaves (both almost went in), but the stat line doesn't show that. He wasn't bricking shots.

saintEscaton · Post #119 » by **saintEscaton** » Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:17 am

tredigs wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:Time for tredigs to eat up

Your boy got embarrassed on D (Splash Bros 55 on 65% TS%) , he hit exactly 0-5 from deep, and despite being up by 10 with 10 seconds to go in the 3rd quarter, I easily called your loss.

Next === >

lol beyond insufferable. What about the 11 assists on 0 turnovers against your vaunted juggernaut D? Congratz on squeaking out a win against an actively tanking borderline DLeague team that played you tight.

JMac1 · Post #120 » by **JMac1** » Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:19 am

tredigs wrote:
saintEscaton wrote:Time for tredigs to eat up

Your boy got embarrassed on D (Splash Bros 55 on 65% TS%) , he hit exactly 0-5 from deep, and despite being up by 10 with 10 seconds to go in the 3rd quarter, I easily called your loss.

Next === >

Booker is 19, his take away tonight should be pump fake. You are going to be miserable hating on Booker, because he is only 19 years old; you might as well get ready for 15 years of being angry, and I'll take 18 and 11 all day.....as if Curry and Thompson don't go off on everyone :lol: