Just how good is Celtics Isiah Thomas

[Hmeach]

You lost Cred when you alluded that shroeder was better than IT, just a ridiculous statement because Dennis is not even in the same ball park.

Teague hasn't moved the needle the same way IT has @kingken , check literally any metric.

I honestly don't care what you think about my opinion. I stated my peace and stated I was wrong for the IT-Dennis line.

If stats are all that you look at, then you have no value to me in ANY conversation.

What are we talking about here then? Facts matter in these types of convos, you sound like a ridiculous homer. You're aghast that posters think IT is better than Teague, when IT posts better numbers raw or advanced ? Try watching other teams than just ATL

Seriously. By what metric is Jeff Teague better than IT? I would love to see a logical stats based argument for Teague over IT. Put Teague on the Celtics and they'd struggle to make the playoffs.

[King Ken]

I honestly don't care what you think about my opinion. I stated my peace and stated I was wrong for the IT-Dennis line.

If stats are all that you look at, then you have no value to me in ANY conversation.

What are we talking about here then? Facts matter in these types of convos, you sound like a ridiculous homer. You're aghast that posters think IT is better than Teague, when IT posts better numbers raw or advanced ? Try watching other teams than just ATL

Seriously. By what metric is Jeff Teague better than IT? I would love to see a logical stats based argument for Teague over IT. Put Teague on the Celtics and they'd struggle to make the playoffs.

The last part is 100% trash. Teague would make them a better team. Better all around player. Shooter, defender, passer, PG, BBIQ. Just much better.

It seems like metrics only matter if the player is someone you like. Jahlil Okafor and Devin Booker is horrible at most metrics but most of you would take them over most of your squad. Teague has pretty good per36 metrics which and his post all star break numbers have been some of the best in the NBA for his position.

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[MMyhre]

What are we talking about here then? Facts matter in these types of convos, you sound like a ridiculous homer. You're aghast that posters think IT is better than Teague, when IT posts better numbers raw or advanced ? Try watching other teams than just ATL

Seriously. By what metric is Jeff Teague better than IT? I would love to see a logical stats based argument for Teague over IT. Put Teague on the Celtics and they'd struggle to make the playoffs.

The last part is 100% trash. Teague would make them a better team. Better all around player. Shooter, defender, passer, PG, BBIQ. Just much better.

It seems like metrics only matter if the player is someone you like. Jahlil Okafor and Devin Booker is horrible at most metrics but most of you would take them over most of your squad. Teague has pretty good per36 metrics which and his post all star break numbers have been some of the best in the NBA for his position.

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HAHA, Teague is scoring way less on worse ts%, has less win shares, less PER, a slightly higher assist rate but higher turnover rate, less BPM, less VORP, ++++ yet you feel inclined to say he is much better? It's okay to be a fan, but take off your homer glasses.

[King Ken]

Seriously. By what metric is Jeff Teague better than IT? I would love to see a logical stats based argument for Teague over IT. Put Teague on the Celtics and they'd struggle to make the playoffs.

The last part is 100% trash. Teague would make them a better team. Better all around player. Shooter, defender, passer, PG, BBIQ. Just much better.

It seems like metrics only matter if the player is someone you like. Jahlil Okafor and Devin Booker is horrible at most metrics but most of you would take them over most of your squad. Teague has pretty good per36 metrics which and his post all star break numbers have been some of the best in the NBA for his position.

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HAHA, Teague is scoring way less on worse ts%, has less win shares, less PER, a slightly higher assist rate but higher turnover rate, less BPM, less VORP, ++++ yet you feel inclined to say he is much better? It's okay to be a fan, but take off your homer glasses.

If you don't watch the games, then you are relevant in this subject to me. Watch the games. Watch the damn games. Ask any NBA player who is better. Ask any NBA PG who is better. Most of them will tell you who they rather. Ask NBA coaches and GM who is better. Ask them.

As I said, they are not on the same teams, play the same role or is asked to do the same thing. Aldridge is no where close to Millsap this year in any metric. Davis is not as good as Millsap this year but ask the coaches, players and GM and all would take Davis. Please stop the foolishness. There is no way Thomas is in the same league with Teague. He has a different role and Teague is just flat out better in most areas. Thomas is better at getting to the line. Thomas is better volume offense.

Jeff gets as many hockey assist as any PG in the NBA. His win shares are lower due to our starting lineup being average during the first half of the season. Since all star break, our starting lineup has been top 3 in the NBA.

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[MMyhre]

The last part is 100% trash. Teague would make them a better team. Better all around player. Shooter, defender, passer, PG, BBIQ. Just much better.

It seems like metrics only matter if the player is someone you like. Jahlil Okafor and Devin Booker is horrible at most metrics but most of you would take them over most of your squad. Teague has pretty good per36 metrics which and his post all star break numbers have been some of the best in the NBA for his position.

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HAHA, Teague is scoring way less on worse ts%, has less win shares, less PER, a slightly higher assist rate but higher turnover rate, less BPM, less VORP, ++++ yet you feel inclined to say he is much better? It's okay to be a fan, but take off your homer glasses.

If you don't watch the games, then you are relevant in this subject to me. Watch the games. Watch the damn games. Ask any NBA player who is better. Ask any NBA PG who is better. Most of them will tell you who they rather. Ask NBA coaches and GM who is better. Ask them.

As I said, they are not on the same teams, play the same role or is asked to do the same thing. Aldridge is no where close to Millsap this year in any metric. Davis is not as good as Millsap this year but ask the coaches, players and GM and all would take Davis. Please stop the foolishness. There is no way Thomas is in the same league with Teague. He has a different role and Teague is just flat out better in most areas. Thomas is better at getting to the line. Thomas is better volume offense.

Jeff gets as many hockey assist as any PG in the NBA. His win shares are lower due to our starting lineup being average during the first half of the season. Since all star break, our starting lineup has been top 3 in the NBA.

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So one player has flat out been better in almost everything this season, yet he is not in the same league as Teague because of the Hawks performing really well since the All Star break? And who are these players that will tell us Teague is better? I've heard Draymond Green, J. Terry, Isiah Thomas, Jason Kidd ++ vouch for Thomas to be an All Star and even All NBA this season... not much about Teague there, but it's because the Hawks have so many stars that he can't score more points and get more assists compared to Thomas? With Korvers decline compared to last season I would say it would be the opposite, he should have brought more volume scoring to the team. Also just because Millsap is on a good run, I don't really see him as better than Davis. Davis just produces more in general.

[King Ken]

HAHA, Teague is scoring way less on worse ts%, has less win shares, less PER, a slightly higher assist rate but higher turnover rate, less BPM, less VORP, ++++ yet you feel inclined to say he is much better? It's okay to be a fan, but take off your homer glasses.

If you don't watch the games, then you are relevant in this subject to me. Watch the games. Watch the damn games. Ask any NBA player who is better. Ask any NBA PG who is better. Most of them will tell you who they rather. Ask NBA coaches and GM who is better. Ask them.

As I said, they are not on the same teams, play the same role or is asked to do the same thing. Aldridge is no where close to Millsap this year in any metric. Davis is not as good as Millsap this year but ask the coaches, players and GM and all would take Davis. Please stop the foolishness. There is no way Thomas is in the same league with Teague. He has a different role and Teague is just flat out better in most areas. Thomas is better at getting to the line. Thomas is better volume offense.

Jeff gets as many hockey assist as any PG in the NBA. His win shares are lower due to our starting lineup being average during the first half of the season. Since all star break, our starting lineup has been top 3 in the NBA.

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So one player has flat out been better in almost everything this season, yet he is not in the same league as Teague because of the Hawks performing really well since the All Star break? And who are these players that will tell us Teague is better? I've heard Draymond Green, J. Terry, Isiah Thomas, Jason Kidd ++ vouch for Thomas to be an All Star and even All NBA this season... not much about Teague there, but it's because the Hawks have so many stars that he can't score more points and get more assists compared to Thomas? With Korvers decline compared to last season I would say it would be the opposite, he should have brought more volume scoring to the team. Also just because Millsap is on a good run, I don't really see him as better than Davis. Davis just produces more in general.

He's not flat out better is the issue. Even by the numbers. There is a reason we have NBA people.

I don't see your points. I am telling you, there is no way Thomas is on Teague level. I told you he's a better shooter. Stats prove that. Better man defender, tape proves that clearly. Better BBIQ, tape clearly proves that. Better true PG, tape vastly proves that. Better feel for the game, tape proves that. There nothing really to talk about.

Horford is our best defender on tape but Sap is the best defender on stats. Korver is a good defender on stats but an below average man defender and a very good team defender on tape. Tape never lies, men do.

A. Davis is better on tape than Millsap while stats say Sap is clearly more impactful. Same for Aldridge. Why are you arguing on this?

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[Collymore]

Teague isn't top 15. Switch Wall with IT and the Celtics would have been the second seed in the East.

[MMyhre]

If you don't watch the games, then you are relevant in this subject to me. Watch the games. Watch the damn games. Ask any NBA player who is better. Ask any NBA PG who is better. Most of them will tell you who they rather. Ask NBA coaches and GM who is better. Ask them.

As I said, they are not on the same teams, play the same role or is asked to do the same thing. Aldridge is no where close to Millsap this year in any metric. Davis is not as good as Millsap this year but ask the coaches, players and GM and all would take Davis. Please stop the foolishness. There is no way Thomas is in the same league with Teague. He has a different role and Teague is just flat out better in most areas. Thomas is better at getting to the line. Thomas is better volume offense.

Jeff gets as many hockey assist as any PG in the NBA. His win shares are lower due to our starting lineup being average during the first half of the season. Since all star break, our starting lineup has been top 3 in the NBA.

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So one player has flat out been better in almost everything this season, yet he is not in the same league as Teague because of the Hawks performing really well since the All Star break? And who are these players that will tell us Teague is better? I've heard Draymond Green, J. Terry, Isiah Thomas, Jason Kidd ++ vouch for Thomas to be an All Star and even All NBA this season... not much about Teague there, but it's because the Hawks have so many stars that he can't score more points and get more assists compared to Thomas? With Korvers decline compared to last season I would say it would be the opposite, he should have brought more volume scoring to the team. Also just because Millsap is on a good run, I don't really see him as better than Davis. Davis just produces more in general.

He's not flat out better is the issue. Even by the numbers. There is a reason we have NBA people.

I don't see your points. I am telling you, there is no way Thomas is on Teague level. I told you he's a better shooter. Stats prove that. Better man defender, tape proves that clearly. Better BBIQ, tape clearly proves that. Better true PG, tape vastly proves that. Better feel for the game, tape proves that. There nothing really to talk about.

Horford is our best defender on tape but Sap is the best defender on stats. Korver is a good defender on stats but an below average man defender and a very good team defender on tape. Tape never lies, men do.

A. Davis is better on tape than Millsap while stats say Sap is clearly more impactful. Same for Aldridge. Why are you arguing on this?

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Cut the tape..

You don't have points, you just say he is better because you mean he is. Jordan is better than LeBron, tape clearly proves that. What is this even supposed to mean?

[King Ken]

So one player has flat out been better in almost everything this season, yet he is not in the same league as Teague because of the Hawks performing really well since the All Star break? And who are these players that will tell us Teague is better? I've heard Draymond Green, J. Terry, Isiah Thomas, Jason Kidd ++ vouch for Thomas to be an All Star and even All NBA this season... not much about Teague there, but it's because the Hawks have so many stars that he can't score more points and get more assists compared to Thomas? With Korvers decline compared to last season I would say it would be the opposite, he should have brought more volume scoring to the team. Also just because Millsap is on a good run, I don't really see him as better than Davis. Davis just produces more in general.

He's not flat out better is the issue. Even by the numbers. There is a reason we have NBA people.

I don't see your points. I am telling you, there is no way Thomas is on Teague level. I told you he's a better shooter. Stats prove that. Better man defender, tape proves that clearly. Better BBIQ, tape clearly proves that. Better true PG, tape vastly proves that. Better feel for the game, tape proves that. There nothing really to talk about.

Horford is our best defender on tape but Sap is the best defender on stats. Korver is a good defender on stats but an below average man defender and a very good team defender on tape. Tape never lies, men do.

A. Davis is better on tape than Millsap while stats say Sap is clearly more impactful. Same for Aldridge. Why are you arguing on this?

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Cut the tape..

You don't have points, you just say he is better because you mean he is. Jordan is better than LeBron, tape clearly proves that. What is this even supposed to mean?

We not comparing generations and different game and rules. We are talking the 15-16 NBA season. In that season, Teague is clearly better than Thomas as he was in 14-15. Its not even close.

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[Gus McCrae]

He's like a little Iverson

[ALL HAIL]

He's not flat out better is the issue. Even by the numbers. There is a reason we have NBA people.

I don't see your points. I am telling you, there is no way Thomas is on Teague level. I told you he's a better shooter. Stats prove that. Better man defender, tape proves that clearly. Better BBIQ, tape clearly proves that. Better true PG, tape vastly proves that. Better feel for the game, tape proves that. There nothing really to talk about.

Horford is our best defender on tape but Sap is the best defender on stats. Korver is a good defender on stats but an below average man defender and a very good team defender on tape. Tape never lies, men do.

A. Davis is better on tape than Millsap while stats say Sap is clearly more impactful. Same for Aldridge. Why are you arguing on this?

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Cut the tape..

You don't have points, you just say he is better because you mean he is. Jordan is better than LeBron, tape clearly proves that. What is this even supposed to mean?

We not comparing generations and different game and rules. We are talking the 15-16 NBA season. In that season, Teague is clearly better than Thomas as he was in 14-15. Its not even close.

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Enjoying this.

"Better" is such a subjective word, always leads to misunderstandings.

The truth is, players are as good as their roles allow.

Thomas' role is to score. Period. And he's good at it.

Teague's role is to run the offense, like a PG, play good defense, and pick his spots on offense.

In Boston, Thomas is better because they need his go-to scoring ability.

Teague is better in Atlanta because they need his steadying effect. They need his defensive intensity and unselfishness.

Both teams would be worse with the other player.

If I'm starting a team from scratch though, and had to choose between Thomas or Teague, I'm more than likely going with Teague, because he can play and perform with a more diverse and broad range of players.

Thomas kind of needs to be on a team with a tall, defensive point guard that he can play alongside for long stretches.

[HeartBreaking]

overrated, overachiever, good player not great. Not everything you want in a basketball player

[MMyhre]

He's not flat out better is the issue. Even by the numbers. There is a reason we have NBA people.

I don't see your points. I am telling you, there is no way Thomas is on Teague level. I told you he's a better shooter. Stats prove that. Better man defender, tape proves that clearly. Better BBIQ, tape clearly proves that. Better true PG, tape vastly proves that. Better feel for the game, tape proves that. There nothing really to talk about.

Horford is our best defender on tape but Sap is the best defender on stats. Korver is a good defender on stats but an below average man defender and a very good team defender on tape. Tape never lies, men do.

A. Davis is better on tape than Millsap while stats say Sap is clearly more impactful. Same for Aldridge. Why are you arguing on this?

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Cut the tape..

You don't have points, you just say he is better because you mean he is. Jordan is better than LeBron, tape clearly proves that. What is this even supposed to mean?

We not comparing generations and different game and rules. We are talking the 15-16 NBA season. In that season, Teague is clearly better than Thomas as he was in 14-15. Its not even close.

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Still not close?

[Blaze4G]

He's not flat out better is the issue. Even by the numbers. There is a reason we have NBA people.

I don't see your points. I am telling you, there is no way Thomas is on Teague level. I told you he's a better shooter. Stats prove that. Better man defender, tape proves that clearly. Better BBIQ, tape clearly proves that. Better true PG, tape vastly proves that. Better feel for the game, tape proves that. There nothing really to talk about.

Horford is our best defender on tape but Sap is the best defender on stats. Korver is a good defender on stats but an below average man defender and a very good team defender on tape. Tape never lies, men do.

A. Davis is better on tape than Millsap while stats say Sap is clearly more impactful. Same for Aldridge. Why are you arguing on this?

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Cut the tape..

You don't have points, you just say he is better because you mean he is. Jordan is better than LeBron, tape clearly proves that. What is this even supposed to mean?

We not comparing generations and different game and rules. We are talking the 15-16 NBA season. In that season, Teague is clearly better than Thomas as he was in 14-15. Its not even close.

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So are you going to say Teague has been clearly outperforming Thomas in the playoffs thus far? Isaiah is getting doubled or tripled everytime he has the ball and still way out performing Teague.

[MMyhre]

Cut the tape..

You don't have points, you just say he is better because you mean he is. Jordan is better than LeBron, tape clearly proves that. What is this even supposed to mean?

We not comparing generations and different game and rules. We are talking the 15-16 NBA season. In that season, Teague is clearly better than Thomas as he was in 14-15. Its not even close.

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So are you going to say Teague has been clearly outperforming Thomas in the playoffs thus far? Isaiah is getting doubled or tripled everytime he has the ball and still way out performing Teague.

He is talking about the regular season, this is from before this series started. I still find it amusing that he thinks Teague is better..

[Blaze4G]

We not comparing generations and different game and rules. We are talking the 15-16 NBA season. In that season, Teague is clearly better than Thomas as he was in 14-15. Its not even close.

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So are you going to say Teague has been clearly outperforming Thomas in the playoffs thus far? Isaiah is getting doubled or tripled everytime he has the ball and still way out performing Teague.

He is talking about the regular season, this is from before this series started. I still find it amusing that he thinks Teague is better..

I know he is. I was just pointing out that both PG are now going head to head. This should give insight into which is "clearly better". It clearly isn't teague.

[ThumbsUpBaby]

IT > Teague.

[Patsfan1081]

To be fair(and I hate bumping old threads) King Ken was notorious for overvaluing Hawks players to the point of all of them are future hof'ers, it's hard sometimes to have a unbiased conversation without fans from other teams.

[HeartBreakKid]

Seriously. By what metric is Jeff Teague better than IT? I would love to see a logical stats based argument for Teague over IT. Put Teague on the Celtics and they'd struggle to make the playoffs.

The last part is 100% trash. Teague would make them a better team. Better all around player. Shooter, defender, passer, PG, BBIQ. Just much better.

It seems like metrics only matter if the player is someone you like. Jahlil Okafor and Devin Booker is horrible at most metrics but most of you would take them over most of your squad. Teague has pretty good per36 metrics which and his post all star break numbers have been some of the best in the NBA for his position.

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HAHA, Teague is scoring way less on worse ts%, has less win shares, less PER, a slightly higher assist rate but higher turnover rate, less BPM, less VORP, ++++ yet you feel inclined to say he is much better? It's okay to be a fan, but take off your homer glasses.

Plus Teague has much better spacing and offensive talent to play with.

[sfernald]

He's around the 7th-10th best PG in the league

For sure better:
Curry
Paul
Lillard
Westbrook
Lowry
Wall

In his territory:
Walker
Bledsoe
Conley
Irving

Close but I disagree. He belongs in the top group. Wall does not.

Dude no way, wall is a 20/10 guy and has been a stud since a rookie. I would take Wall over IT 10 times outta 10 if I were GM. Not taking away from IT who is a great player and on his contract a really great value. Still he's not in the same league as wall.