Rockets match Nets offer for Donuts (Updte Pg 17: Offer Pulled, DMo UFA)

[Rapcity_11]

Morris was a much better player/asset. That DMo is a fringe rotation type makes this a lot murkier

But also a massive head-case. Plus, DMo doesn't have to have a first round pick value to have some value.

I think teams were willing to forgive Morris more because the Suns broke a promise and locked him into a friendlier deal because of it. And the risk of Morris' temperament is offset his relative harmless salary (i mean, he makes less than DMo even!). So i dont think there's any + value to be had here with DMo. You have a guy who's an injury risk signed to a 4 year deal and he's a fringe rotation guy. All that adds up to a salary dump, not dealing a malcontent for + value.

I was actually thinking more about the assault charges that were a major issue at the time. I agree, the team dynamic was basically guaranteed to work out ok once he got out of Phoenix.

D-Mo was almost dealt for a 1st just a few months ago. If he proves some level of health, that could easily happen again.

[FNQ]

I would not agree that Dmo is a fringe rotation guy

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Meh its a gray area.. you have a guy who's coming off playing backup minutes but is also saddled with a back injury that's questionable. I dont think he jumps right into any rotation, and anyone who has to earn their role as a backup I tend to call fringe rotational guys. Either way, its just terminology, at the end of the day he's a non-starter and non-heavy minutes type, so I fail to see where he'll recoup and value for the Rockets if they decide to keep him anyways

[MaxRider]

A player can be an asset while not wanting to be there. Like Markieff Morris last year.

i'm sure he wants to play for Houston or else why have his agent talk to Morey for new contract (they can't agreed on the amount)
i think right now is his agent playing game

I mean it's pretty clear he doesn't want to play in Houston

then why sign an offer sheet that Morey told him he will match with so many trade restriction?

[FNQ]

But also a massive head-case. Plus, DMo doesn't have to have a first round pick value to have some value.

I think teams were willing to forgive Morris more because the Suns broke a promise and locked him into a friendlier deal because of it. And the risk of Morris' temperament is offset his relative harmless salary (i mean, he makes less than DMo even!). So i dont think there's any + value to be had here with DMo. You have a guy who's an injury risk signed to a 4 year deal and he's a fringe rotation guy. All that adds up to a salary dump, not dealing a malcontent for + value.

I was actually thinking more about the assault charges that were a major issue at the time. I agree, the team dynamic was basically guaranteed to work out ok once he got out of Phoenix.

D-Mo was almost dealt for a 1st just a few months ago. If he proves some level of health, that could easily happen again.

Possible, but I'd think that if he was really worth a 1st today (or this offseason), someone would have made an effort to sign him away from the Rockets. He took a really unfriendly deal with the Nets.. I dunno. I'm not saying a 1st is impossible, but I do think his value is trending away from that and may be in free fall. Mostly due to the back.

[bigben998]

I am so confused.....he wanted a better deal and he got it. He signed it expecting the Rockets to match it, then they matched it and now he isnt showing up? This seems like BJs doing. He makes some crazy comments.

[quatin]

So Morey should have not signed Dwight to keep Asik happy, and should have matched a bad Parsons Contract to keep him happy? That's how you end up with a team like that terrible Warriors team from years back where they were just trying to make everyone happy. It's a business. Literally no team in the NBA is going to be like "Yeah, sorry Dwight, I know you want to come here but we already have Asik so it's a no go"

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I'm not saying that Morey becomes best friends with everyone, but there's a middle ground between being too compassionate and a total robot. So far, he has the reputation of being too cold and offending players. He shouldn't have told Asik he was promised a starting spot. He should've told Howard to his face that they're phasing him out instead of trying to get Bickerstaff to do it for him. Probably shouldn't have been as derisive to Parson about his skill set. "We're just trying to better our team." Would've been a better phrase than, "We need 3 super stars to win a chip and Parsons isn't one". The way he's handling DMOs FA seems to look just like another example.

[Rapcity_11]

I think teams were willing to forgive Morris more because the Suns broke a promise and locked him into a friendlier deal because of it. And the risk of Morris' temperament is offset his relative harmless salary (i mean, he makes less than DMo even!). So i dont think there's any + value to be had here with DMo. You have a guy who's an injury risk signed to a 4 year deal and he's a fringe rotation guy. All that adds up to a salary dump, not dealing a malcontent for + value.

I was actually thinking more about the assault charges that were a major issue at the time. I agree, the team dynamic was basically guaranteed to work out ok once he got out of Phoenix.

D-Mo was almost dealt for a 1st just a few months ago. If he proves some level of health, that could easily happen again.

Possible, but I'd think that if he was really worth a 1st today (or this offseason), someone would have made an effort to sign him away from the Rockets. He took a really unfriendly deal with the Nets.. I dunno. I'm not saying a 1st is impossible, but I do think his value is trending away from that and may be in free fall. Mostly due to the back.

Which is why I said he can have value. Not that he does have value right now. Again, the original comment was that there's no point in matching a player who doesn't want to be there. I disagree because that's obviously not true. And specifically related to D-Mo, there's a chance he recoups some of his lost value. Enough to get a positive return on a trade.

[JV4MVP]

I can't imagine DMO and Morey having a very good relationship at the moment.

I'm sorry I had to lol

[K_chile22]

So Morey should have not signed Dwight to keep Asik happy, and should have matched a bad Parsons Contract to keep him happy? That's how you end up with a team like that terrible Warriors team from years back where they were just trying to make everyone happy. It's a business. Literally no team in the NBA is going to be like "Yeah, sorry Dwight, I know you want to come here but we already have Asik so it's a no go"

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I'm not saying that Morey becomes best friends with everyone, but there's a middle ground between being too compassionate and a total robot. So far, he has the reputation of being too cold and offending players. He shouldn't have told Asik he was promised a starting spot. He should've told Howard to his face that they're phasing him out instead of trying to get Bickerstaff to do it for him. Probably shouldn't have been as derisive to Parson about his skill set. "We're just trying to better our team." Would've been a better phrase than, "We need 3 super stars to win a chip and Parsons isn't one". The way he's handling DMOs FA seems to look just like another example.

As a Rockets fan I've never heard of a promise between the Asik and Morey over a player starting. Morey doesn't promise starting jobs. Asik was upset he wasn't starting anymore because he wants to start, like most NBA players.
He also didn't tell Parsons he's not a star and they need one. He said they couldn't get better with that deal on the books. Chandler was saying they wouldn't need to get better because he views himself as a star. He told Howard he wanted to cut out post ups to his face and Dwight took it as he didn't want Dwight to be involved on offense. This situation is strange and doesn't look good but you seem misinformed on all of the other situations

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[HotTubMike]

#threadopportunityforrealgmtotakeshotsattheRocketsandMorey
#likeusual
#madesomethingoutofnothing
#notop10picksin15years
#nolosingseasonssince06inthewest

[quatin]

then why sign an offer sheet that Morey told him he will match with so many trade restriction?

The only reasonable way to explain the events here is DMO doesn't want to play for Houston. The contract Brooklyn offered is worse than the one Houston offered if we look at it from a career perspective. DMO was willing to accept playing for cheap, but just not in Houston. Therefore, he signed the BKN sheet with the hope that the no trade clauses will make Morey pass on matching, because it will cause Houston some cap issues in the 2017 free agency.

Or BJ and DMO are both smoking crack while negotiating.

[FNQ]

I was actually thinking more about the assault charges that were a major issue at the time. I agree, the team dynamic was basically guaranteed to work out ok once he got out of Phoenix.

D-Mo was almost dealt for a 1st just a few months ago. If he proves some level of health, that could easily happen again.

Possible, but I'd think that if he was really worth a 1st today (or this offseason), someone would have made an effort to sign him away from the Rockets. He took a really unfriendly deal with the Nets.. I dunno. I'm not saying a 1st is impossible, but I do think his value is trending away from that and may be in free fall. Mostly due to the back.

Which is why I said he can have value. Not that he does have value right now. Again, the original comment was that there's no point in matching a player who doesn't want to be there. I disagree because that's obviously not true. And specifically related to D-Mo, there's a chance he recoups some of his lost value. Enough to get a positive return on a trade.

But to recoup value, he'd have to play and prove he's healthy, and since the Rockets are winning, it becomes pretty difficult to justify playing someone when the whole building knows your end-game is to trade him. Especially for whoever's minutes he'd be taking in the rotation. Basically, to recoup positive value in a trade might cost more than it's worth, not to mention that he can't be dealt til the offseason and can reject any trade he wants, essentially granting him another full year of an indirect 'free agency'

[K_chile22]

Can't embed tweets on mobile but Watkins tweeted that BJ said they have no problem with the rockets but they know their rights. Wtf is this dude talking about

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[MotownMadness]

I can't imagine DMO and Morey having a very good relationship at the moment.

I'm sorry I had to lol

I did type that when the only tweet that was out was the one saying he didn't show up for practice, just saying.

[Edrees]

The man does not want to be in Houston. Just let him go.

Why let him go and help another team get him? Rockets have all the power. If he doesn't want to play in houston, he's going to have to sit out the season. Why should the rocket do anything to help their opponents?

[Rapcity_11]

Possible, but I'd think that if he was really worth a 1st today (or this offseason), someone would have made an effort to sign him away from the Rockets. He took a really unfriendly deal with the Nets.. I dunno. I'm not saying a 1st is impossible, but I do think his value is trending away from that and may be in free fall. Mostly due to the back.

Which is why I said he can have value. Not that he does have value right now. Again, the original comment was that there's no point in matching a player who doesn't want to be there. I disagree because that's obviously not true. And specifically related to D-Mo, there's a chance he recoups some of his lost value. Enough to get a positive return on a trade.

But to recoup value, he'd have to play and prove he's healthy, and since the Rockets are winning, it becomes pretty difficult to justify playing someone when the whole building knows your end-game is to trade him. Especially for whoever's minutes he'd be taking in the rotation. Basically, to recoup positive value in a trade might cost more than it's worth, not to mention that he can't be dealt til the offseason and can reject any trade he wants, essentially granting him another full year of an indirect 'free agency'

Again, not saying it was likely. And the end-game wouldn't have to be to trade him. If he gets healthy and plays well they could just hang on to him. There's plenty of scenerios in which D-Mo could have value down the road for the Rockets (and plenty that he doesn't). It's a roll of the dice.

[jazzfan1971]

Boy, I hope DoMo's agent doesn't represent any Jazz players.

[JV4MVP]

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[quatin]

As a Rockets fan I've never heard of a promise between the Asik and Morey over a player starting. Morey doesn't promise starting jobs. Asik was upset he wasn't starting anymore because he wants to start, like most NBA players.
He also didn't tell Parsons he's not a star and they need one. He said they couldn't get better with that deal on the books. Chandler was saying they wouldn't need to get better because he views himself as a star. He told Howard he wanted to cut out post ups to his face and Dwight took it as he didn't want Dwight to be involved on offense. This situation is strange and doesn't look good but you seem misinformed on all of the other situations

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So, again a lot of this is rumor. However, it seems to happen quite often and when you put everything into context, there's a lot of circumstantial evidence all pointing the same way.

Asik being promised a starting role. The following boston herald article is now behind a paywall, but here's a snippet.
http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2013/12/celtics_rockets_trade_talks_not_so_hot
The Rockets have known for quite some time that Asik wants out. Word is he was told the club would sign no center ahead of him when he agreed to join Houston as a free agent in 2012. When Dwight Howard was lured this past summer, Asik reminded them of his and quietly asked to be moved.

Morey wanting to reduce Howards playing time.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/17872646/houston-rockets-management-pushed-play-clint-capela-dwight-howard
Houston Rockets management repeatedly pushed for Clint Capela to get more playing time at the expense of Dwight Howard last season, sources told ESPN, adding to the disharmony that played a prominent role in the team's disappointing 2015-16 campaign.

Former Rockets interim coach J.B. Bickerstaff resisted complying with the wishes of general manager Daryl Morey and owner Leslie Alexander regarding a drastic reduction in Howard's playing time.

Parsons on not being a star. You're just splitting hairs on that argument. Houston says they need a 3rd star, while Parsons was on the team. Therefore, it implies Parsons is not a star. Pretty much an in your face declaration.
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24621362/chandler-parsons-on-rockets-i-was-offended-by-the-whole-process
"Honestly, I was offended by the whole process," Parsons told Yahoo Sports on Monday in a phone interview. "They publicly said that they were going out looking for a third star when I thought they had one right in front of them. I guess that's just how they viewed me as a player. I don't think I've scratched the surface of where I can be as a player and I think I'm ready for that role.

[HurricaneKid]

BJs comments on the Draymond F1 and this are mindblowing in their idiocy. I am pretty hard on Rich Paul too, but at least Paul has Mark Termini, long time and well respected agent and negotiator, doing most of the actual work.

These quotes border on ineptitude for an agent.