Vince Carter vs. Some Young Punks

[Fo-Real]

Devin Booker has never striked
me as that guy. He looks quiet, humble and down to earth. Lol guess not.


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LMFAO..... NO SIR!!! As a Suns fanatic I can assure you that Book is a **** TALKER to the max!!! and an irritant. Anyone remember Jerry Sichting?!?! YA.... Kinda like that!

[ItsThatEasy]

I see the b***h is still lingering in some raptor fans after all these years. Go cry in a labatts man, nobody here cares

The guy literally saved their franchise lol without VC there probably isn't a basketball team in Canada right now.

Raptors were getting 20,000 - 25,000 fans many nights their first 3 years before Vince Carter arrived at the Skydome...

Toronto is the 3rd or 4th biggest market in North America so the Vince saved the Raptors narrative doesn't apply.
What's funny is some people (haters) say nobody will care about the Raptors or star players won't get recognition there
but during Vinsanity the Raptors were on NBC, TNT and TBS constantly. Vince was on the cover of Sports Illustrated, cover
of Video games, had one of the highest selling jerseys, was in a ton of commercials and was referenced in several rap songs
among other things...Oh yeah he was also the All-Star leading vote getter numerous times even over MJ in his last All-Star
game appearance.

So please don't group all Raptors fans in one category...

There's a lot of Raptors fans that have always loved VC and followed his career closely since he left...

I'd say the biggest fans he has are still in Toronto

Hey I don't profess to be super knowledgeable about the Raptors so I appreciate your take and will take you at your word.

Even if they weren't actually in danger of moving it's impossible to ignore all that he did for that franchise and basketball in TO in general.

Some Raptors fans act like he's the anti-Christ or something, I just think he should get more appreciation for what he did for that franchise, which as someone alluded to earlier, seemed content just selling out the arena for fans to watch the guy dunk instead of actually competing.

[Sixerscan]

Maybe they should just quit on their team the way Vince did back in the day.

The raptors organisation quit on vince long before he quit on them.

Did he go a little overboard handling his crappy situation in toronto? Yes. However, i can't think of any superstar that got worse treatment from his team than vince got in toronto. Fact is the raptors surrounded him with subpar players, did some bad drafting and at the end drafted his replacement. Now, i won't put the blame solely with the front office since some of it goes to mcgrady as well. I think it's safe to assume they envisioned to build a dynasty around vc and tmac which obviously became impossible once the latter decided to quit on that dream. Still, they had four seasons to build around vince after tracy left, they failed miserably. On top of that, they completely ignored his requests. It's only natural he wanted to leave since they weren't committed to building a winning team. I'm pretty sure most superstars would've wanted to leave in that situation. And the only option to leave was by forcing a trade.

But yeah, he's a loser because he wanted to leave a team content with losing. What do you think his no dunking comment was about? All the raptors cared about was selling tickets and merchandise (not winning). That dunk comment basically meant he was tired of losing and being the raptors cashcow and circus act. To me this is understandable for a 27 year old athlete who knows that he probably only has a few prime years left. But yeah, he's a loser who only cared about showing off and didn't care about basketball or winning. Afterwards he carried the nets to the playoffs, but that was obviously just to spite the raptors. He doesn't care about winning. Give me a break...

And to raptors fans who keep complaining, you should keep in mind that carter put toronto on the map. Hell, of course this is pure speculation, there might be no toronto raptors left today without vince. Either way, if you want to blame anyone blame tmac for ruining your chance at a potential dynasty. Or blame the front office for surrounding him with d-league talent and at best a couple of role players during his SIX years there. (Except for tmac who was already there before vince and later on bosh, who obviously was too young, they maybe would have had two seasons of overlapping prime together)

As far as this "elbow". There was obviously no malicious intent. What i see, especially from the second angle:
- After the foul call and semi-flop by vince: Devin starts raising his arm, stops at the top and for a split second looks like he's about to come down like you would when you're going to hack someone.
- Vince sees this motion and raises his arm to try and block what he thinks is an incoming hack.
- Booker's smart enough not to follow through and: a) vince's 40 year old reaction time doesn't recognize this in time or b) he does know and simply makes a dumb decision to go ahead and hit devin's arm anyway
- Len does what he's supposed to do, i'm sure in real time and from his angle it might have looked like carter elbowed booker in the head. He stood up for his teammate, i have zero issues with that.

Maybe the raptors people were incompetent, but they didn't quit. I guarantee they were all trying their best they were just bad.

Carter was the one that flat out stopped trying with 3+ years left on a max contract. He stopped playing defense or taking anything but jump shots. It was one of the grosser displays by a professional athlete I have ever seen.

If you feel he was justified in what he did, fair enough, I guess we just disagree.

[360windmill]

Maybe they should just quit on their team the way Vince did back in the day.

The raptors organisation quit on vince long before he quit on them.

Did he go a little overboard handling his crappy situation in toronto? Yes. However, i can't think of any superstar that got worse treatment from his team than vince got in toronto. Fact is the raptors surrounded him with subpar players, did some bad drafting and at the end drafted his replacement. Now, i won't put the blame solely with the front office since some of it goes to mcgrady as well. I think it's safe to assume they envisioned to build a dynasty around vc and tmac which obviously became impossible once the latter decided to quit on that dream. Still, they had four seasons to build around vince after tracy left, they failed miserably. On top of that, they completely ignored his requests. It's only natural he wanted to leave since they weren't committed to building a winning team. I'm pretty sure most superstars would've wanted to leave in that situation. And the only option to leave was by forcing a trade.

But yeah, he's a loser because he wanted to leave a team content with losing. What do you think his no dunking comment was about? All the raptors cared about was selling tickets and merchandise (not winning). That dunk comment basically meant he was tired of losing and being the raptors cashcow and circus act. To me this is understandable for a 27 year old athlete who knows that he probably only has a few prime years left. But yeah, he's a loser who only cared about showing off and didn't care about basketball or winning. Afterwards he carried the nets to the playoffs, but that was obviously just to spite the raptors. He doesn't care about winning. Give me a break...

And to raptors fans who keep complaining, you should keep in mind that carter put toronto on the map. Hell, of course this is pure speculation, there might be no toronto raptors left today without vince. Either way, if you want to blame anyone blame tmac for ruining your chance at a potential dynasty. Or blame the front office for surrounding him with d-league talent and at best a couple of role players during his SIX years there. (Except for tmac who was already there before vince and later on bosh, who obviously was too young, they maybe would have had two seasons of overlapping prime together)

As far as this "elbow". There was obviously no malicious intent. What i see, especially from the second angle:
- After the foul call and semi-flop by vince: Devin starts raising his arm, stops at the top and for a split second looks like he's about to come down like you would when you're going to hack someone.
- Vince sees this motion and raises his arm to try and block what he thinks is an incoming hack.
- Booker's smart enough not to follow through and: a) vince's 40 year old reaction time doesn't recognize this in time or b) he does know and simply makes a dumb decision to go ahead and hit devin's arm anyway
- Len does what he's supposed to do, i'm sure in real time and from his angle it might have looked like carter elbowed booker in the head. He stood up for his teammate, i have zero issues with that.

Maybe the raptors people were incompetent, but they didn't quit. I guarantee they were all trying their best they were just bad.

Carter was the one that flat out stopped trying with 3+ years left on a max contract. He stopped playing defense or taking anything but jump shots. It was one of the grosser displays by a professional athlete I have ever seen.

If you feel he was justified in what he did, fair enough, I guess we just disagree.

I'm a long time Raptors fan and that's just bullsh*t. I used to drink the ''VC quit'' kool-aid but once you really look at the situation with an open mind, it was both ours and Vince's fault. He was too nice and lacked that fire but he never quit.

anyways where you're wrong:

1. He always took a lot of jump shots, he just stopped dunking everything after his jumper's knee scare. Similar to how Blake Griffin stopped dunking over everybody during his 3rd season in order to preserve his body.
2. He was averaging 26 ppg up until the all star break the season after he signed his first major contract. The Raptors were having thier best season ever (10 games over .500) and were on their way to the finals in a weak East until that scrub Bruce Bowen intentionally injured VC right before all star weekend 02 . The season was over after that even though we fluked our way into the playoffs as the 7th seed
3. He re-injured the his surgically repaired patella tendon the following season....yea he might have sat too long but that season was a lost cause as we were awful without him and we also had a chance to draft LeBron
4. When Sam Mitchell came along, he only played Vince 30 mpg and barely played him during fourth quarters. Yes Vince started that season poorly but that's a norm for him , he always starts seasons slow. He started slow during his nets days, even today (ask Grizz fans). He usually picks it up during December/January. Sam Mitchell had some sort of grudge against Vince, there's no way you play a player like Vince only 30 minutes per game .... I don't care how out of shape he might have been then...

[boomann21]

You young guys are too young. Vince Carter was never soft. Hell he almost stated a international incident when he played for USA team.

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[qm22]

Maybe the raptors people were incompetent, but they didn't quit. I guarantee they were all trying their best they were just bad.

Carter was the one that flat out stopped trying with 3+ years left on a max contract. He stopped playing defense or taking anything but jump shots. It was one of the grosser displays by a professional athlete I have ever seen.

If you feel he was justified in what he did, fair enough, I guess we just disagree.

I'm a long time Raptors fan and that's just bullsh*t. I used to drink the ''VC quit'' kool-aid but once you really look at the situation with an open mind, it was both ours and Vince's fault. He was too nice and lacked that fire but he never quit.

anyways where you're wrong:

1. He always took a lot of jump shots, he just stopped dunking everything after his jumper's knee scare. Similar to how Blake Griffin stopped dunking over everybody during his 3rd season in order to preserve his body.
2. He was averaging 26 ppg up until the all star break the season after he signed his first major contract. The Raptors were having thier best season ever (10 games over .500) and were on their way to the finals in a weak East until that scrub Bruce Bowen intentionally injured VC right before all star weekend 02 . The season was over after that even though we fluked our way into the playoffs as the 7th seed
3. He re-injured the his surgically repaired patella tendon the following season....yea he might have sat too long but that season was a lost cause as we were awful without him and we also had a chance to draft LeBron
4. When Sam Mitchell came along, he only played Vince 30 mpg and barely played him during fourth quarters. Yes Vince started that season poorly but that's a norm for him , he always starts seasons slow. He started slow during his nets days, even today (ask Grizz fans). He usually picks it up during December/January. Sam Mitchell had some sort of grudge against Vince, there's no way you play a player like Vince only 30 minutes per game .... I don't care how out of shape he might have been then...

To add to that, I think the Mitchell thing was for real. I remember Allen Iverson in a post-game after playing the Raptors, he said that after the game the players were talking about how they didn't run plays for Vince. I didn't follow the situation closely but it doesn't fit with a narrative of a quitter.

And I hate the NBA and Bruce Bowen for allowing someone to stick legs under jumpers without consequences, and for doing it, respectively. That malicious and pointless behavior has cost fans of the game and Vince quite a lot.

[Scott Hall]

The guy literally saved their franchise lol without VC there probably isn't a basketball team in Canada right now.

Raptors were getting 20,000 - 25,000 fans many nights their first 3 years before Vince Carter arrived at the Skydome...

Toronto is the 3rd or 4th biggest market in North America so the Vince saved the Raptors narrative doesn't apply.
What's funny is some people (haters) say nobody will care about the Raptors or star players won't get recognition there
but during Vinsanity the Raptors were on NBC, TNT and TBS constantly. Vince was on the cover of Sports Illustrated, cover
of Video games, had one of the highest selling jerseys, was in a ton of commercials and was referenced in several rap songs
among other things...Oh yeah he was also the All-Star leading vote getter numerous times even over MJ in his last All-Star
game appearance.

So please don't group all Raptors fans in one category...

There's a lot of Raptors fans that have always loved VC and followed his career closely since he left...

I'd say the biggest fans he has are still in Toronto

Hey I don't profess to be super knowledgeable about the Raptors so I appreciate your take and will take you at your word.

Even if they weren't actually in danger of moving it's impossible to ignore all that he did for that franchise and basketball in TO in general.

Some Raptors fans act like he's the anti-Christ or something, I just think he should get more appreciation for what he did for that franchise, which as someone alluded to earlier, seemed content just selling out the arena for fans to watch the guy dunk instead of actually competing.

It was a bitter bitter bitter ugly divorce...There was a report a few weeks before he was traded that he was giving away
plays to the opponent and that's not from the media that was from the opposing team. He got in a wrestling match with
his coach Sam Mitchell. His numbers and style of play from the Raptors to the Nets that season was drastic. Him sinking
his trade value to an all-time low crippled the franchise for years.

So as much as I love Vince Carter I can't get to mad at Vince Carter haters...

He never had many Girl friends and was completely whipped by his mother. Everyone in his personal life was screwing him
over at the time from his brother, to his agent to his cousin T-Mac. He got engaged to this chick out of the blue he went
to College with and she brain washed him to go to the States and he listened.

He was a young kid in his 20's who made a mistake...he's always been a very proud and stubborn guy and you can tell
he regrets it but won't come out and admit it yet.

With that said last year was the first time Vince Carter came back and wasn't booed by his haters. They showed a
tribute video and he cried.

You probably don't visit the Raptors board but every year since he left there's been tons of threads to bring him back
even just a few weeks ago at the trade deadline.

[Knicksfan20]

This shows how soft the league has gotten. Vets like Carter don't take that young punk BS.

[E-Balla]

Devin Booker has never striked
me as that guy. He looks quiet, humble and down to earth. Lol guess not.


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LMFAO..... NO SIR!!! As a Suns fanatic I can assure you that Book is a **** TALKER to the max!!! and an irritant. Anyone remember Jerry Sichting?!?! YA.... Kinda like that!

KAT called him the biggest **** talker in the league. Said he will run you down in transition to buck if he needs to.

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