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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#101 » by KobeBryant24 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:27 am

Wonderllama wrote:So... it's EXACTLY like Summer League went? Lonzo struggles in his first game and people can't wait to call him a bust. But then he shines in the next game. "It's just summer league." "It's just Phoenix."


Its just summer league

Its just the suns

Is just the first round

Its just one ring ..

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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#102 » by RingsDontLie » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:36 am

I don't get why other fans can't be happy for the laker fan base finally getting a transcendent talent after one whole season after kobe retired. Plus this team has seen dark times since the Kobe Achilles injury. The fact that we have gone 7 years without a championship is pretty dismal.

And we all know the league is better when the lakers are on top. So when the Lakers are winning, you should see it as the NBA and all it's fans winning. :D
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#103 » by Lalouie » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:49 am

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prime1time wrote:What kind of guard fits with Lonzo then? I haven't watched a lot of his games but D-Lo projects as a great #2 guard.


Don't think guard, think team. Zo is an egalitarian distributer. Not a traditional pg like cp3, or a scoring pg like Tony Parker, but a pg built for the transition game. I think this is a new position that Zo just invented. At UCLA, it wasn't the half court where he excelled, it was in transition and often,,, the hockey assist.

That is true, but the hard thing to visualize is what kind of guard plays well with that kind of style. I'm a Wiz fan and we have Beal. I think he'd be very good with a pg like Zo. In fact, I think that Zo's style fits the Wiz better than Wall's. Right now we have Otto Porter who's coming on strong but it's starting to get kind of weird with regards to who gets to be aggressive. Zo's style would really show if you had a squad like Zo (3 or 4 years from now), Beal, Porter, Morris and an athetlic big man like Thompson.


As good as Zo is, shot creating isn't one of his strengths so the players that you surround him with will need to be able to space the floor, be solid on the fast break and create for themselves. Similar to how the Suns were built in Phoenix with Nash. It'll be fun to watch him Zo develop.


I'm not being hyperbolic when I say Zo might be inventing a new position and maybe that's why it's so hard to visualize. Consider,,,, the days of the old pg is gone. Right now we're in the Era of the scoring pg. But even as we speak, positions are getting blurred and centers (cousins) are leading fast breaks. The open court pg, Zo, is a natural to get all these positionless multi talents involved. The result at UCLA was a bump in TEAM passing. I think that's what walton is looking for in Zo.
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#104 » by Pachinko_ » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:05 am

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GreenBloodedC wrote:One thing you got to say about this kid.

HE IS MENTALLY TOUGH.
With all the attention and scrutiny he is getting (deserved or undeserved) he does not get fazed.

After being bullied last night, he came back and played the best game from any rookie this year.


Lonzo has been dealing with people getting at him for a long time now.

I'm no Lonzo fan but I admire the balls on that kid, no pun intended.

Yeah he's pretty imrpessive
And I'm not even talking about basketball
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#105 » by WalterBenjamin » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:07 am

More Like the Suns have developed a new tipe od not defending. Pat Connoughton got his against them. Nobody is hipping him to have an all star career.
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Post#106 » by Dez » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:19 am

Good for him but he took 27 shots to get 29 points against no defense.

It's an improvement on his debut, but let's be real.
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Post#107 » by Coxy » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:39 am

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NY 567 wrote:Michael Carter Williams almost had a 20 point quadruple double in his NBA debut.


Did he win the game like Lonzo did?

Were the 2012 Heat on same level as 2018 Suns?


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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#108 » by KobeBryant24 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:41 am

Dez wrote:Good for him but he took 27 shots to get 29 points against no defense.

It's an improvement on his debut, but let's be real.
WalterBenjamin wrote:More Like the Suns have developed a new tipe od not defending. Pat Connoughton got his against them. Nobody is hipping him to have an all star career.


If its so easy why hasn't another rookie since LeBron put up those stats?
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Post#109 » by janmagn » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:45 am

KobeBryant24 wrote:
Dez wrote:Good for him but he took 27 shots to get 29 points against no defense.

It's an improvement on his debut, but let's be real.
WalterBenjamin wrote:More Like the Suns have developed a new tipe od not defending. Pat Connoughton got his against them. Nobody is hipping him to have an all star career.


If its so easy why hasn't another rookie since LeBron put up those stats?
How many rookies have had the ball enough for 29 shots, 9 assists, 4 turnovers and many potential assists?

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Post#110 » by KobeBryant24 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:53 am

janmagn wrote:
KobeBryant24 wrote:
Dez wrote:Good for him but he took 27 shots to get 29 points against no defense.

It's an improvement on his debut, but let's be real.
WalterBenjamin wrote:More Like the Suns have developed a new tipe od not defending. Pat Connoughton got his against them. Nobody is hipping him to have an all star career.


If its so easy why hasn't another rookie since LeBron put up those stats?
How many rookies have had the ball enough for 29 shots, 9 assists, 4 turnovers and many potential assists?

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You want me to pull this stat from my behind?
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Post#111 » by LastNameEver » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:00 am

Let's be clear. This was not a good offensive game for Ball...at all. It's actually quite terrible considering the volume of shots.

It's also not a secret that the Sun's are playing at a ridiculous pace and are trading baskets this season.
At least he contributed in other areas.
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Post#112 » by Darren » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:03 am

I think Ricky Rubio is more impressive. He's two great games in a roll. But still, Lonzo Ball's talented. I don't think he shoots that well but he can really dish out assists. I expect a Andre Miller like rookie season for him. Pheonix is probably not a good measure stick after all. Ingram also gets a good game for his standard.
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#113 » by KobeBryant24 » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:04 am

The Boy wrote:Let's be clear. This was not a good offensive game for Ball...at all. It's actually quite terrible considering the volume of shots.

It's also not a secret that the Sun's are playing at a ridiculous pace and are trading baskets this season.
At least he contributed in other areas.


He wasnt great at all honesty and still managed to put up 29 11 9. Cant wait to see him have good games.
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#114 » by LastNameEver » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:12 am

KobeBryant24 wrote:
The Boy wrote:Let's be clear. This was not a good offensive game for Ball...at all. It's actually quite terrible considering the volume of shots.

It's also not a secret that the Sun's are playing at a ridiculous pace and are trading baskets this season.
At least he contributed in other areas.


He wasnt great at all honesty and still managed to put up 29 11 9. Cant wait to see him have good games.

I saw the footage and no defense was being played in this game. No boxouts, no transition defense etc.

I will say however that he looked good if you just make a clip of the highlights, fwiw.
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Post#115 » by BackseatBoss » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:46 am

One thing that I don’t understand is why people say that the hate comes only due to his father. I’ve read and seen his interviews, he sounds like an annoying brat. He’s not as loud about it, but it’s kinda impossible to be louder than Lavar, but he does not strike me at all as some kind of a mature and smart person, he seems like a spoiled kid. I’m just happy he landed on the Lakers. Just fits the place perfectly.
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#116 » by NPZ » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:50 am

The Boy wrote:Let's be clear. This was not a good offensive game for Ball...at all. It's actually quite terrible considering the volume of shots.

It's also not a secret that the Sun's are playing at a ridiculous pace and are trading baskets this season.
At least he contributed in other areas.


Just watched the game on tivo. As a Laker fan, the thing I liked about his offense is that he took command with his own offense in at least a few late situations. That meant much more to me than the volume. I can tell you right now, Kobe had PLENTI-A games like that. Zo made big scores at the right moments. He's not scared. Magic Johnson started off with not the best of jumpers, but he always did what Zo did tonight. Took command... The volume schmolume. The thing was he kept pumping em up to get the job done. I have zero beefs with that. If I do, then I gotta point out about 500 Kobe games just like it.

Raw shooting stats belie what actually took place on the floor in tenuous moments.
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Post#117 » by NPZ » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:52 am

BackseatBoss wrote:One thing that I don’t understand is why people say that the hate comes only due to his father. I’ve read and seen his interviews, he sounds like an annoying brat. He’s not as loud about it, but it’s kinda impossible to be louder than Lavar, but he does not strike me at all as some kind of a mature and smart person, he seems like a spoiled kid. I’m just happy he landed on the Lakers. Just fits the place perfectly.


If that kid is a spoiled brat, you really hate his ass. That's all that post says. He's almost autistic. If you can interpret spoiled brat from his deadpan answers, you are seriously looking to find stuff to hate.
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#118 » by NPZ » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:56 am

RingsDontLie wrote:I don't get why other fans can't be happy for the laker fan base finally getting a transcendent talent after one whole season after kobe retired.


Really? They hate the Lakers AND their fans. It's not that veiled by this point. You got a LOT of fans on this board of teams that the Lakers have beaten a bunch of times in the playoffs. They're like the Death Star of franchises and now that they see rubble and ruin, they wanna KEEP IT that way for eternity. The rest of the fans are a collective federation of "freedom fighters".

All you other fans, I get it. Like Zo said after game 1, "This is the NBA"... I get you. You sometimes annoy me, but we're still fam in some contexts. We all still love hoops, namsayin?
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#119 » by Edrees » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:56 am

Coxy wrote:
mihail_petkov wrote:
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Did he win the game like Lonzo did?

Were the 2012 Heat on same level as 2018 Suns?


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Uh, 2018 suns are about on the same level or better than the 2012 heat bench and third stringers, which is where a lot of MCW's stats came from playing against. Lonzo actually makes his teammates better, and runs the offense and creates for everyone. MCW was putting up stats in a loss when the game was unwinnable or against third string players. Its not comparable at all. Lonzo's may have come at poor competition, but they are meaningful stats, not padded fake stats.


It doesn't matter, Lonzo can do this against any team and you guys will just find a reason to discredit it no matter what. There's always an arguement to make against any player and it's clear he's hated, so no matter how well he plays there'sll be excuses made, at least for a year or two when it can't be denied anymore.

Let's see how other rookies do against the suns in phoenix, since they play no defense. If they don't have a great game we should roast them for not playing well against a no-defense team.
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Re: Lonzo Watch- 25 points 8 assists 10 rebounds 

Post#120 » by BackseatBoss » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:59 am

NPZ wrote:
BackseatBoss wrote:One thing that I don’t understand is why people say that the hate comes only due to his father. I’ve read and seen his interviews, he sounds like an annoying brat. He’s not as loud about it, but it’s kinda impossible to be louder than Lavar, but he does not strike me at all as some kind of a mature and smart person, he seems like a spoiled kid. I’m just happy he landed on the Lakers. Just fits the place perfectly.


If that kid is a spoiled brat, you really hate his ass. That's all that post says. He's almost autistic. If you can interpret spoiled brat from his deadpan answers, you are seriously looking to find stuff to hate.

So now Lonzo is autistic? And I’d love you to try to prove that he’s not acting like a spoiled brat. He’s just quiet, but when he opens his mouth, he sounds like a douche. And don’t worry, Lakers fans like you definitely won’t make me stop hating him :wink:
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