Tatum the next Kobe?

[Wolfgang630]

You can’t only look at advanced stats. That’s a disservice to Kobe and what he achieved in his career. It’s not easy to win championships and he won 5. He went to many All Star games and won MVP’s.

[lakerz12]

He is not the athlete Kobe was but he is also not the ballhog Kobe was.

Top 3 in assists all time for a SG and #30 overall in all time assists = ballhog?

Also, Tatum averaged 1.6 assists haha

Kobe averaged 1.3 in his first year in the league, played 71 games, 16 minutes a game, in his second his averaged 2.5, 26 mins a game, 3rd year he averaged 3 assists, played 38 minutes a game. Jokes on you, at least research your own players before posting, yea?(oh and Kobe didn't play with Kyrie and Horford in his first year, obviously).

Oh and just for you- Kobe's first FG%= ,417, 2nd = .428, 3rd = .465. Obviously Tatum shot better in his first year in the PLAYOFFS than Kobe shot throughout his first 3 seasons with the Lakers.

Try to use logic and sound analysis here. I know Kobe's early year assist numbers are comparable to Tatum's---I looked at them as I was writing that post.

Did I ever say that Kobe's assist numbers were better than Tatum's in his first few years? No, I didn't.

My only point was that the idea that Kobe was a "ballhog" and Tatum is not, is ridiculous.

Neither one of them are ballhogs. My response was exclusively to the asinine idea that "[Tatum] is also not the ballhog Kobe was".

Kobe was not a ballhog. Do you think a shooting guard who averaged 4.7 assists for his career was a ballhog?

Your comparison of Kobe & Tatum's early year shooting and assist numbers is a totally different topic.

[FlatearthZorro]

Top 3 in assists all time for a SG and #30 overall in all time assists = ballhog?

Also, Tatum averaged 1.6 assists haha

Kobe averaged 1.3 in his first year in the league, played 71 games, 16 minutes a game, in his second his averaged 2.5, 26 mins a game, 3rd year he averaged 3 assists, played 38 minutes a game. Jokes on you, at least research your own players before posting, yea?(oh and Kobe didn't play with Kyrie and Horford in his first year, obviously).

Oh and just for you- Kobe's first FG%= ,417, 2nd = .428, 3rd = .465. Obviously Tatum shot better in his first year in the PLAYOFFS than Kobe shot throughout his first 3 seasons with the Lakers.

Try to use logic and sound analysis here.

Did I ever say that Kobe's assist numbers were better than Tatum's in his first few years? No, I didn't.

My only point was that the idea that Kobe was a "ballhog" and Tatum is not, is ridiculous.

Neither one of them are ballhogs.

Kobe was not a ballhog. Do you think a shooting guard who averaged 4.7 assists for his career was a ballhog?

Your comparison of Kobe & Tatum's early year shooting and assist numbers is a totally different topic.

Well, what I was saying obviously is that you can't judge Tatum by his first year. Esp playing with Kyrie and Horfie, other than that I don't need Tatum to be Kobe. I like who he is as a person and a player so far.

You pointed out that Kobe was a top 3 all-time, and Tatum had 1.6. Well Kobe had 2.5 ~40 minutes a game in his 2nd season. So it's not like he was John Stockton in his first 3 seasons in the league.

[lakerz12]

Kobe averaged 1.3 in his first year in the league, played 71 games, 16 minutes a game, in his second his averaged 2.5, 26 mins a game, 3rd year he averaged 3 assists, played 38 minutes a game. Jokes on you, at least research your own players before posting, yea?(oh and Kobe didn't play with Kyrie and Horford in his first year, obviously).

Oh and just for you- Kobe's first FG%= ,417, 2nd = .428, 3rd = .465. Obviously Tatum shot better in his first year in the PLAYOFFS than Kobe shot throughout his first 3 seasons with the Lakers.

Try to use logic and sound analysis here.

Did I ever say that Kobe's assist numbers were better than Tatum's in his first few years? No, I didn't.

My only point was that the idea that Kobe was a "ballhog" and Tatum is not, is ridiculous.

Neither one of them are ballhogs.

Kobe was not a ballhog. Do you think a shooting guard who averaged 4.7 assists for his career was a ballhog?

Your comparison of Kobe & Tatum's early year shooting and assist numbers is a totally different topic.

Well, what I was saying obviously is that you can't judge Tatum by his first year. Esp playing with Kyrie and Horfie, other than that I don't need Tatum to be Kobe. I like who he is as a person and a player so far.

You pointed out that Kobe was a top 3 all-time, and Tatum had 1.6. Well Kobe had 2.5 ~40 minutes a game in his 2nd season. So it's not like he was John Stockton in his first 3 seasons in the league.

Okay well you are taking my statements totally out of context.

I wasn't attempting to do a comprehensive comparison of Kobe to Tatum. I was obviously replying exclusively to the idea that Kobe was more of a ballhog than Tatum (again, I think the stats and reality show neither one are ballhogs).

I'm glad you like him as a player and a person. I think he has great potential. There's nothing wrong with him averaging 1.6 ast as a rookie year. Please try to understand I wasn't attempting to insult him, I was only insulting the stupid comment I quoted.

[Tiny ball]

Once again, he's not similar to Kobe size wise. Kobe was SG who could play PG and SF at times. Tatum is an SF and more of a swingman like Pierce. Kobe was usually the best passer on all his teams. A great total scoring skillset is the main thing Tatum has in common with Kobe right now. The numbers aren't prolific yet of course. BUT u see the tools he has in his scoring arsenal.

In Kobe's rookie year, the Lakers used him at PG, SG, and SF. I just don't seem Tatum AS OF NOW having that kind of positional versatility. His ceiling is more to me in that Pierce zone IF he can develop a very good all around game. Because the Truth was very rounded IN ADDITION to being a great scorer. If his all around game is only average at best, then he's more comparable to guys like a Granger.

Tatum started games at SF and PF this year. He also served as the backup PG for a handful of games at the end of the season. He has a lot of versatility.

He will be playing some small ball center before long. I would bet he is taller than 6' 8" now.

[Tiny ball]

He doesn't have the ceiling of KD/Kobe because he doesn't have anywhere near their quickness or athleticism, but he's definitely got potential there skill-wise.

He is more efficient now than Kobe ever was.

[Tiny ball]

Nope.. Remember at the draft he had zero upside since his game was already too polished? Pundits declared that his ceiling was hit at Duke and would go no further.

Ohhh experts.

same exact thing said about Doncic

That means he's a top 5-10 player of all time... which I don't think so. But, he sure as hell has the moves Kobe had.

No way is Kobe top 5-10, give me a break.

Too high or too low? Please dont tell me you think kobe is not a top 10 player.

I just don't think he is top 10 at all.

[HeartBreakKid]

He is not the athlete Kobe was but he is also not the ballhog Kobe was.

Top 3 in assists all time for a SG and #30 overall in all time assists = ballhog?

Also, Tatum averaged 1.6 assists haha

Assist has nothing to do with whether you're a ball hog or not - Allen Iverson averaged more assist than Kobe Bryant did, does that mean Allen Iverson wasn't a ball hog?

[dan-man]

Your big 3 got dominated by a "ball hog"? Must hurt...

Wins in 7 games at home by 4 total points after the Celtics starting center tears up his knee minutes into Game 6.....cites it as "domination".

And Garnett limping the entire playoffs. Yea, dude's awesome. Living in his own world.

Anyhow, I think Tatum has gotten some of Kobe's moves, but he will be his own man. Imo, he's a way more efficient 3 point shooter and 2 point as well, Kobe was the better athlete. Only time will tell. If Jayson could be Melo with more efficiency and defense, I'd take that, too.

Ah yes, let the whining begin! Does anyone whine and bitch better than a Boston fan?

Strike 1 for baiting a fanbase

[HeartBreakKid]

Wins in 7 games at home by 4 total points after the Celtics starting center tears up his knee minutes into Game 6.....cites it as "domination".

And Garnett limping the entire playoffs. Yea, dude's awesome. Living in his own world.

Anyhow, I think Tatum has gotten some of Kobe's moves, but he will be his own man. Imo, he's a way more efficient 3 point shooter and 2 point as well, Kobe was the better athlete. Only time will tell. If Jayson could be Melo with more efficiency and defense, I'd take that, too.

Ah yes, let the whining begin! Does anyone whine and bitch better than a Boston fan?

Kobe Bryant never dominated the Celtics, that's just a strange thing to say. The Lakers barely beat the Celtics in 2010 and Bryant wasn't even good in that series - and the series before that Bryant had one of the WOAT performances from a superstar in a finals.

To say that Bryant dominated the Celtics just makes no sense. The two series they played the Celtics were able to defend Kobe Bryant, including the one the Celtics lost. Some of y'all either have poor memory or are just trollin.

[superv]

to sum it up.

celtics fans - insecure, losing last finals to lakers, have to make tatum out to be something he's not, using flawed logic. Sees the light now that Lebron in west coast.
lakers fans - insecure about tatum's potential and shouldn't be since kobe's legacy is set in stone, should have drafted tatum over lonzo.

Enjoy Tatum; he seems like a good one

[Upperclass]

He's literally Grant Hill with better range. Less playmaking.. though I'm sure he could point forward if need be

[SF_Warriors]

Kobe averaged 1.3 in his first year in the league, played 71 games, 16 minutes a game, in his second his averaged 2.5, 26 mins a game, 3rd year he averaged 3 assists, played 38 minutes a game. Jokes on you, at least research your own players before posting, yea?(oh and Kobe didn't play with Kyrie and Horford in his first year, obviously).

Oh and just for you- Kobe's first FG%= ,417, 2nd = .428, 3rd = .465. Obviously Tatum shot better in his first year in the PLAYOFFS than Kobe shot throughout his first 3 seasons with the Lakers.

Try to use logic and sound analysis here.

Did I ever say that Kobe's assist numbers were better than Tatum's in his first few years? No, I didn't.

My only point was that the idea that Kobe was a "ballhog" and Tatum is not, is ridiculous.

Neither one of them are ballhogs.

Kobe was not a ballhog. Do you think a shooting guard who averaged 4.7 assists for his career was a ballhog?

Your comparison of Kobe & Tatum's early year shooting and assist numbers is a totally different topic.

Well, what I was saying obviously is that you can't judge Tatum by his first year. Esp playing with Kyrie and Horfie, other than that I don't need Tatum to be Kobe. I like who he is as a person and a player so far.

You pointed out that Kobe was a top 3 all-time, and Tatum had 1.6. Well Kobe had 2.5 ~40 minutes a game in his 2nd season. So it's not like he was John Stockton in his first 3 seasons in the league.

Tatum 1.9apg per 36

Kobe at 19 yrs old..3.5apg per 36

Tatum is not the faciliator or ball handler kobe was. Its evident just watching him play.

[FlatearthZorro]

to sum it up.

celtics fans - insecure, losing last finals to lakers, have to make tatum out to be something he's not, using flawed logic. Sees the light now that Lebron in west coast.
lakers fans - insecure about tatum's potential and shouldn't be since kobe's legacy is set in stone, should have drafted tatum over lonzo.

Enjoy Tatum; he seems like a good one

Nah, not really, it's just facts. It's in the past. The guy attempted to troll. Everything we pointed out is true. It is what it is. Everybody has moved on and I really enjoy our present.

[Pennebaker]

It kind of seems like it when we're just talking about on court similarities in play, expressions of determination and other body language. But they appear totally different off the court.

[Sulico]

Depending on injuries and his drive to improve, I think Tatum has higher pure phisical ceiling than Kobe. He have better basketball IQ, better shot selection, he is bigger and better equipped for playing defense. But I'm not sure he have mental drive Kobe had. Kobe was relentless, if Tatum can be that, he will be better than Kobe.

[Spanish_Laker]

The kid is very very good, best rookie by far. However, I think it's a long shot he will be the next Kobe, but certainly he has the tools.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

he will never be Kobe.
he might be better than Kobe.

[Feed Your Head]

Another thread where people overrate Tatum

Another thread where you refuse to admit you were wrong about him.

[BigTrade92]

Wins in 7 games at home by 4 total points after the Celtics starting center tears up his knee minutes into Game 6.....cites it as "domination".

And Garnett limping the entire playoffs. Yea, dude's awesome. Living in his own world.

Anyhow, I think Tatum has gotten some of Kobe's moves, but he will be his own man. Imo, he's a way more efficient 3 point shooter and 2 point as well, Kobe was the better athlete. Only time will tell. If Jayson could be Melo with more efficiency and defense, I'd take that, too.

Ah yes, let the whining begin! Does anyone whine and bitch better than a Boston fan?

Lakers fans.