Physical Therapist says LeBron’s groin injury recovery should’ve taken six months

[The4thHorseman]

Physical therapists play an important role in the rehabilitation of patients in medicine. But the truth is that, even a doctrate degree in PT doesn't make you a physician. They can speculate a condition but can't make a working diagnosis because they aren't licensed to order labs or imaging to rule in or rule out a diagnosis.

Second, this is clearly a PR move. The timing of releasing this news well coincides with the timing of LAL's elimination. Plus, this lady will be violating HIPAA without the athlete allowing the disclosure of personal medical information to the public. So, nice try LeBron.

Revealing recovery time information is illegal even though the world already knows that you were injured?

A player has to give the ok first before someone can reveal how long his recovery process will take?

[zimpy27]

i don't believe this one iota.
either you can play or you cannot. he's been averaging 29ppg

did they not say this thing has to be COMPLETELY healed or face an occurrence of it over time? given that, given all the other injuries meaning the lakers haven't been playing with a full deck anyway, given that lebron scheduled space jam2 when he would normally be in the playoffs meaning he was anticipating a bad season, why would he even play when lal was 1 games away from playoff elimination. did he expect to lead the lakers to a 10-0 run???

why would he risk a future of playing with other stars just to play on THIS team. he had an obligation?

so then by all accounts, there's no point in playing him NOW is there. lebron is a business first player, ie he will do what's right for him. and to be honest, that photo is a bit too cozy

He definitely lost bounce and ability to finish at the rim and through contact. Efficiency went down when he came back, plus he wasn't moving much on defense.

If his efficiency is up next season, if he's finishing at the rim, if he's covering more distance on defense. If all these things happen next season then will you believe he was injured?

[PD28]

It's either LeExcuse or LeHelp to end each season lmfao

[sca]

Yes.

They are doctors, in physical therapy. And quite often, in fact, on a daily basis, diagnosis patients based on their exams and procedures.

This original guy is referring to a physical therapy assistant who often times is able to chose which movements/exercises will be done given a physical therapist’s diagnosis.

They're not medical doctors, I thought it was so obvious. They are doctors in the same way Doctors of Philosophy are. In practice, they can make diagnoses. But it doesn't mean that they should.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/health/policy/02docs.html

Is this real life? Lets dumb this down for you. Their job is to quite literally diagnose an injury referred to them from an MD, and treat it.

Let me dumb this down for you.

If you're a medical doctor, then you're qualified to diagnose injuries.

PTs are not medical doctors.

PTs cannot make diagnoses.

There's a vast difference between the two, whether PTs have a doctorate degree or not.

And what you said is entirely false, because it's the doctors who make diagnoses, not PTs.

[The4thHorseman]

It's either LeExcuse or LeHelp to end each season lmfao

You forgot to mention LeBronto ended a lot of seasons too.

[Sactowndog]

You're not a doctor of medicine just because you have a doctorate and your degree happens to be health-related. I'm a pharmacist and I'd definitely not call myself a "doctor of medicine" if I completed a doctorate.

The fact that you're resorting to personal attacks and not even giving a proper reply about the topic in hand shows that you're insecure and butthurt over the subject matter.

The fact you are sitting in Turkey commenting incorrectly about the US health care system and arguing about it says pretty much all that needs to be said.

1) you don’t know the US healthcare system
2) your grasp of English is incomplete

An MD is a Medical Doctor, a DVM is a Doctor of Veterinary Medicine, a DPT is a Doctor of Physical Therapy. All of them fall under the grouping of a Doctor of Medicine as opposed to a Doctor of Philosophy which would be a Doctor of Humanities.

I suggest you

1) improve your understanding of the English Language
2) improve your understanding of changes in the US healthcare market.

Then come back and comment.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3076909/

A change in “title” will cause confusion for the public as well as among our health professional colleagues. The presence of multiple degrees for the same profession can also lead to confusion, especially among our colleagues and administrators, who may not be aware of the difference between an entry-level doctorate and an advanced degree, such as a PhD (research based) or a post-professional doctoral degree. The public may confuse a doctor of physical therapy with a medical doctor. Furthermore, we may not be able to use the title “doctor” in hospital or community health settings, depending on regulatory issues around the use of the title “doctor.”

Your posting an article about Canada referencing the US? Also it’s out-dated and PT’s are already required to have their DPT in the US and are already addressed as Dr. xxxx

[SweetTouch]

Lebron just took over March madness with this news

People stay focused on the King

His haters are his biggest fans

[Yank3525]

Team LeBron trying to control the narrative again.

[Sactowndog]

They're not medical doctors, I thought it was so obvious. They are doctors in the same way Doctors of Philosophy are. In practice, they can make diagnoses. But it doesn't mean that they should.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/health/policy/02docs.html

Is this real life? Lets dumb this down for you. Their job is to quite literally diagnose an injury referred to them from an MD, and treat it.

Let me dumb this down for you.

If you're a medical doctor, then you're qualified to diagnose injuries.

PTs are not medical doctors.

PTs cannot make diagnoses.

There's a vast difference between the two, whether PTs have a doctorate degree or not.

And what you said is entirely false, because it's the doctors who make diagnoses, not PTs.

Here is a statement from a US PT...

“We own evaluation and diagnosis of the musculoskeletal system. If it requires medical management (injections, prescriptions, surgery), it becomes in the scope of a physician.

Most people (who have smart doctors), wouldn’t even bother wasting insurance money seeing an MD. I have a patient right now. He called his MD, said “feels like I pulled my groin”, MD said okay go to PT. So I bill for initial diagnosis and everything.”

I suggest you stop commenting on the US healthcare system.

[Sactowndog]

Physical therapists play an important role in the rehabilitation of patients in medicine. But the truth is that, even a doctrate degree in PT doesn't make you a physician. They can speculate a condition but can't make a working diagnosis because they aren't licensed to order labs or imaging to rule in or rule out a diagnosis.

Depends on the state. In some states they can and others they can’t. But they have tests to decide if imaging would be needed and then would would refer to MD. In all cases the DPT owns the recovery process.

[Sactowndog]

MD literally means "medical doctor"... You're either a medical doctor, or you are not... Wow...

A Medical Doctor is a person with a doctorate in the field of Medicine. That could include an MD, DPT, DVM.....

To say they are equivalent to a Doctor of Philosophy may qualify as the stupidest thing posted on this board. Given you are based in Turkey it’s not a surprise.

No.

Love how the Canadians and Turks are commenting on how the US healthcare system works.

[G35]

A physical therapist is not a doctor. Not even close. They have some biological training, perhaps some pathology training to know the background of the injury but they are not a doctor.

People get physical therapists and doctors mixed up like people get nutritionists and dietitians mixed up. Two very different things. I got my four-year degree in sports medicine and I am nowhere near a doctor and have a passing knowledge of medical injuries. You do take a lot of biology classes and I took a pathology class that was interesting but doctor? Not even close.


And I don't know when this Doctor of physical therapy term came out...I graduated six years ago but I don't recall it. But even then:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Physical_Therapy

In the United States, a Doctor of Physical Therapy (DPT) degree is an entry-level professional degree. A DPT is a practitioner who is educated in many areas of rehabilitation. However, a Doctor of Physical Therapy is not a physician and cannot prescribe medications. In some countries like the United Kingdom. A Transitional Doctor of Physical Therapy Degree is also offered for those who already hold a professional Bachelor or Master of Physical Therapy (BPT or MPT) degree. As of 2015, all accredited and developing physical therapist programs are DPT programs.[1] The DPT degree currently prepares students to be eligible for the PT license examination in all 50 states.

Another thing is not all PT's are created equal, some will have more training and certifications than others......

[NBAFan93]

They're not medical doctors, I thought it was so obvious. They are doctors in the same way Doctors of Philosophy are. In practice, they can make diagnoses. But it doesn't mean that they should.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/health/policy/02docs.html

Dude you might want to stop showing your ignorance by quoting articles 8 years out of date. PT programs have changed and DPT’s work in concert with MD’s as part of the medical team to rehabilitate the patient. Unlike RN’s, you can no longer get your physical therapy license without having your Doctorate in Physical Therapy.

To say they are equivalent to Doctors of Philosophy only highlights you ignorance.

LOL the article is still relevant even though it's 8 year-old. What has changed since then except for all PTs having to become DPTs? Being on the MD's staff is vastly different than putting a diagnosis on a patient on someone's own. They're still not medical doctors, they're people with doctorate in another degree. The fact that she has a "Dr" in her instagram handle is misleading, and she should know better than to do that.

You (or the other poster) being sensitive about the issue doesn't make you right. If you don't have a medical degree, then you're not qualified to make diagnoses. End of story.

I'm not sure why you even wrote the bolded part. I'm not arguing that they can't be on a medical team.

I know from experience that insurance treats them different. When my daughter had issues w/ her back cause of her sport that required PT, we had to go to a medical doctor first who did MRIs, etc. and had to rule out certain things and then do a diagnoses and “prescribe” the need for PT. Then insurance paid only a percentage of the PT session costs while the doctor stuff was covered in full (it was the same way they treat chiropractor visits too).

We were also required to keep going back to the medical doctor every so often to verify PT stlll needed for them to even pay the percentage. It ended up being very expensive cause it was a lot of sessions of what essentially were just exercises - but she was made to do them and they did fix her problem so she could keep doing her sport for a few more seasons so it worked out.

I will say that the PT did tell her what she could or couldn’t do in regards to her sport in various stages of her therapy. Like they’d say tonight you can do these drills, but not this, etc., and eventually told her go ahead and do everything. This was just for a club sport though - not sure how NBA teams handle.

[Sactowndog]

A physical therapist is not a doctor. Not even close. They have some biological training, perhaps some pathology training to know the background of the injury but they are not a doctor.

People get physical therapists and doctors mixed up like people get nutritionists and dietitians mixed up. Two very different things. I got my four-year degree in sports medicine and I am nowhere near a doctor and have a passing knowledge of medical injuries. You do take a lot of biology classes and I took a pathology class that was interesting but doctor? Not even close.


And I don't know when this Doctor of physical therapy term came out...I graduated six years ago but I don't recall it. But even then:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Physical_Therapy

In the United States, a Doctor of Physical Therapy (DPT) degree is an entry-level professional degree. A DPT is a practitioner who is educated in many areas of rehabilitation. However, a Doctor of Physical Therapy is not a physician and cannot prescribe medications. In some countries like the United Kingdom. A Transitional Doctor of Physical Therapy Degree is also offered for those who already hold a professional Bachelor or Master of Physical Therapy (BPT or MPT) degree. As of 2015, all accredited and developing physical therapist programs are DPT programs.[1] The DPT degree currently prepares students to be eligible for the PT license examination in all 50 states.

Another thing is not all PT's are created equal, some will have more training and certifications than others......

Depends on the state. In some states a DPT can prescribe medications. A bachelor degree in sports medicine is not analogous to a DPT.

[Kobeshow]

(L)excuse is back....

remember after being swept in the Finals last year....???



THE CAST

[picc]

Still cant believe people are acting like we werent the 4 seed. It was only like, last july too. The season was basically over.

I dont know what kind of black magic every other team was doing to keep their stars 100% healthy the whole year, but until an investigation is done and they are punished, basketball should be put on hold and the 2019 season replayed.

Its the only way to make it fair.

[Inklink]

Maybe it's time for another trip to Miami..

[JimmerAllStar]

So after Space Jam 2 flops, Lebron's optometrist is going to come out and say that Lebron was legally blind for the past 6 months.
GTFO.


BTW, this chick is a physical therapist. She has no training in determining how severe an injury is and how long it should take to recover. Her job is to put together exercises so the injury can heal properly. Physical therapists are not medical doctors.

Physical Therapists are in fact DPT’s. So they are in fact Medical doctors though not MD’s. Their training is exactly that to judge the injury and time to recover.

WTF. MD stands for Medical Doctor. Physical Therapists are not physicians and can't even prescribe medication. Hell, even nurses can prescribe medication. PTs also can't order MRI or X-ray scans to diagnosis the injury. The way a PT determines an injury is to ask the patient "so how do you feel" and "Ok, walk over to that wall so I can if you have a limp". That's it.

PTs are focused on rehabilitation. If you have a broken leg, you would first go to a doctor to get it fixed. Then the PT would come in and make sure all your muscles are working again and that you're in balance. They determine when the rehabilitation should end by asking questions like "do you still feel pain" or "how are you feeling."

[will]

Kawhi staying in Toronto.

[KGtabake]

And just like that, everybody are talking LeBron again.
Sad but he's essential to the media, so i'm not surprised.