Do you think Rob Pelinka even realized he needed to re-do the trade for extra cap? Or only after the internet did?

[Ecmic]

End of the day if LAL wants any sort of real value they will have to compensate Griffen, which probably means Kuzma and cash, possibly more first. Even then I don't think it's likely. Maybe LAL will be able to dump a contract in there.

That's what I'm confused about. If I were NOP, I'd want additional compensation. Maybe not Kuzma but maybe drop the protections on the pick(s) that are currently protected. Something like that.

Then, by extension, does ATL also get a lil' sumthin, sumthin?

If LAL gets strongarmed like that, then they'll renege, the deal falls apart, and Pelinka uses it as an easy excuse on how things fell apart. No matter what, Pelinka will get called a clown, but by this point, better to be called a clown than be confirmed a clown by going through with a deal that makes no sense at all for the Lakers (IE no max slot).

Griffin NEEDS this deal to be executed, cuz his future pick haul is insane. If NOP needs to beg ATL to be involved in a 3way or to ask em to be cool with Hunter unable to join the ATL Summer League team, they'll be the ones to cough up an asset to ATL for the trouble. Maybe ask LAL to toss in a future SRP to ATL where LAL would be more than happy to do that since a 7/30 deal means they get to keep Wagner, Bonga (Moon will be waived), and AD gets his trade kicker.

The stakes are too high for NOP to screw it up.

Cuz if this deal falls apart...

Now what?

But if New Orleans allows, for whatever reason, the date to be pushed back to July 30th, the stakes for them in this deal drastically decrease, because the value of the Lakers' offer drastically decreases. A Lakers team with three max players might not have the highest ceiling among their various cap options, but it'd undoubtedly have the highest floor. By giving the Lakers max room, the Pelicans would essentially be locking all those future Lakers picks into late teens through late twenties slots.

But a Lakers team with only two max players is an injury away from being in the lottery. I'd guarantee that Griffin took this into consideration when negotiating the deal. A handful of late first round picks aren't nearly as valuable as a player like Kuzma; there's a reason that Griffin took the picks, and it wasn't because he wanted to guarantee they'd be marginal. And a situational outcome that essentially guarantees they'd be marginal would be fairly easy for the Pelicans to walk away from, in my opinion.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that New Orleans made the deal with Atlanta primarily because they wanted to lock in July 6th, and not simply because they found value in-and-of-itself in the trade with the Hawks.

[karkinos]

pels draft couldn't have gone any better
personally i don't see the urgency to have them all play in the summer league
lakers could be total punks and try to retract everything, but the fallout would be way worse

[Vae Victus]

That's what I'm confused about. If I were NOP, I'd want additional compensation. Maybe not Kuzma but maybe drop the protections on the pick(s) that are currently protected. Something like that.

Then, by extension, does ATL also get a lil' sumthin, sumthin?

If LAL gets strongarmed like that, then they'll renege, the deal falls apart, and Pelinka uses it as an easy excuse on how things fell apart. No matter what, Pelinka will get called a clown, but by this point, better to be called a clown than be confirmed a clown by going through with a deal that makes no sense at all for the Lakers (IE no max slot).

Griffin NEEDS this deal to be executed, cuz his future pick haul is insane. If NOP needs to beg ATL to be involved in a 3way or to ask em to be cool with Hunter unable to join the ATL Summer League team, they'll be the ones to cough up an asset to ATL for the trouble. Maybe ask LAL to toss in a future SRP to ATL where LAL would be more than happy to do that since a 7/30 deal means they get to keep Wagner, Bonga (Moon will be waived), and AD gets his trade kicker.

The stakes are too high for NOP to screw it up.

Cuz if this deal falls apart...

Now what?

But if New Orleans allows, for whatever reason, the date to be pushed back to July 30th, the stakes for them in this deal drastically decrease, because the value of the Lakers' offer drastically decreases. A Lakers team with three max players might not have the highest ceiling among their various cap options, but it'd undoubtedly have the highest floor. By giving the Lakers max room, the Pelicans would essentially be locking all those future Lakers picks into late teens through late twenties slots.

But a Lakers team with only two max players is an injury away from being in the lottery. I'd guarantee that Griffin took this into consideration when negotiating the deal. A handful of late first round picks aren't nearly as valuable as a player like Kuzma; there's a reason that Griffin took the picks, and it wasn't because he wanted to guarantee they'd be marginal. And a situational outcome that essentially guarantees they'd be marginal would be fairly easy for the Pelicans to walk away from, in my opinion.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that New Orleans made the deal with Atlanta primarily because they wanted to lock in July 6th, and not simply because they found value in-and-of-itself in the trade with the Hawks.

Now this is a great point. Griffin already factored in that scenario and pushed the incoming picks out as far as possible. Even in the Lakers best case scenario, where they sign a 3rd max FA, the first incoming available unprotected FRP is 2023. Basically Lebron by this point is out of the league and the team is basically being carried by a 32 year old AD and a 32+ year old secondary superstar. Odds are great that the Lakers wont be able to sustain success that far out and that those 2023-2025 FRP and swaps will be of high value.

I mean personally, i think this deal is sheer madness, and that Pelinka and Jeannie Buss are flaming idiots for risking the reputation of the franchise like this, but Jeannie was taking HUGE media hits and its pretty obvious why she decided to go YOLO. If i'm Griffin, im getting this deal done, and if i gotta concede a teeny bit to secure it, then so be it.

Griffin risks pushing too hard and having this whole deal blow up, with an unstable LAL ownership who weathervanes to public opinion. Make the Lakers look too stupid, well theyre gonna call it off and eat the public backlash if they deem the fallout from not getting owned in a trade is less than being considered unreliable partners.

This is how i'm reading the situation. I mean hell, i woulndt be shocked if things just blow up and the Lakers eat the deal and not have a max slot. They're shockingly stupid and more incompetance and idiocy is just expected tbh.

Griffin might just have his cake and eat it too. Get the monster haul AND stick it to the Lakers cap space. That's just up to him whether he wants to risk that monster franchise transforming haul for the extra pleasure and kudos of being known as the dude who raped the Lakers franchise future.

[karkinos]

griffin might have his cake and eat it too
but what if the lakers double down, blow up the deal, and AD walks to LA anyways
all that over some cap space? for a team that isn't in the position to win during lebron's LA tenure anyways?

[Mr Loggins]

End of the day if LAL wants any sort of real value they will have to compensate Griffen, which probably means Kuzma and cash, possibly more first. Even then I don't think it's likely. Maybe LAL will be able to dump a contract in there.

That's what I'm confused about. If I were NOP, I'd want additional compensation. Maybe not Kuzma but maybe drop the protections on the pick(s) that are currently protected. Something like that.

Then, by extension, does ATL also get a lil' sumthin, sumthin?

I think the trade is still evolving. Nothing is really settled except for the key pieces.

My issue is this constant hating or perception that the Pelinka is a dumb troll is absolutely wrong.

Pelinka seems pretty clueless....

[Triple M]

I haven't been following this story all the way through but assumed when the deal was initially reported that it would be worked into a 3 way deal eventually. What exactly changed or was that never the intention from both sides??

I don't see this trade falling apart as both sides are far too deep for that too happen and at most I think minor compensation is added like what happened in the Kyrie trade when there was a hiccup.

[macNcheese3]

:-?

You do understand he is an attorney and has a huge staff to work and understand contracts, right? Stop getting led into the dark by WOJ.

Woj sucks now. He’s a moron. Pelinka has little to no GM experience.

[Mr Loggins]

This is incorrect. The truth is the dates were negotiated. Everyone was speculating and setting incorrect reports. You can see from twitter that there have been a slew of corrections. Even WOJ corrected himself to a point. But there has been so much misrepresented info out there, that the fake news continues to permiate.

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We know the July 6 date was agreed upon. But the reports are that after that, Pelinka realized he needed to get it moved to the 30th and the Pelicans were agreeable to doing that unless they added another team to the trade. They did so, so the Lakers weren't allowed to move it. That seems to be what's been reported. I haven't seen anything that specifically contradicts that.

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So the tweet said that Pelinka knew about the timing, but was always prepared to rework the trade and be ready to jettison other players to be able to clear cap room.

So in other words, he *IS* a buffon in charge of the LAL front office

[Mylie10]

I'm guessing head was placed firmly up ass.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

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Doesn’t sound very convincing, tbh.

It just doesn't make any sense. The Lakers knew they needed to do this, but just didnt'? Ramona's report makes sense, that explains why it didn't happen. It's funny because lately we have so many people accusing certain reporters of being against their franchises, but nobody seems to consider the other side of things, that the ones who 'report' things that don't make sense might be in the pocket of the franchises....

It makes sense that realGM understands the basics of the CBA better than a front office? Was reported that Lakers signed Jones to a non guaranteed deal last season just to make an AD trade legal salary wise. Now the front office forgot they could use him in a deal?

[Mr Loggins]

Doesn’t sound very convincing, tbh.

It just doesn't make any sense. The Lakers knew they needed to do this, but just didnt'? Ramona's report makes sense, that explains why it didn't happen. It's funny because lately we have so many people accusing certain reporters of being against their franchises, but nobody seems to consider the other side of things, that the ones who 'report' things that don't make sense might be in the pocket of the franchises....

It makes sense that realGM understands the basics of the CBA better than a front office? Was reported that Lakers signed Jones to a non guaranteed deal last season just to make an AD trade legal salary wise. Now the front office forgot they could use him in a deal?

two franchises last year didn’t know what player they were trading for (brooks). Anything is possible (and in Pelinka’s case, likely)

[karkinos]

securing a davis trade but not maximizing capspace for a 3rd max FA
ok
sure
lakers trying to backpedal their way into dlo

[spikeslovechild]

Laker fans don't seem to understand that if the trade has already been submitted to the league office with both parties signatures it isn't something they can just walk away from or threaten to walk away from.

They can call up the Pelicans and ask for a favor but with the pick getting traded to ATl they are not going to agree to push back the trade. Pelinka needs to move those three guys if they want max money. It should be doable but that roster is going to minimum guys the rest of the way (hot garbage)

[lamscott]

Both teams knew about the dates!

Repeat after me.

Both teams knew about the dates!

They negotiated it out. What is so hard. Do you morons actually read?


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[will]

I truly don't believe this one bit.

Rob Pelinkerrr gotta be smarter than this.

[Dajadeed]

I refuse to believe someone known for being super smart, specifically as a cap expert having been a super agent for years, would overlook something so important.

My guess all along has been that he has other avenues of obtaining that cap space if he really needs it. It’s unrealistic to expect one or 2 teams to hold draft picks out of summer league so you can get your super team.

We’ll find out here shortly.

If I’m wrong and Rob really screwed up the date? Fire him. No way Jeanie allows the team to be run by someone who would overlook that - and Rob’s reputation is not of someone who bungles simple things.