Gilbert Arenas and Lou Williams with shots fired on 90's and 70's eras

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Re: Gilbert Arenas and Lou Williams with shots fired on 90's and 70's eras 

Post#101 » by Winsome Gerbil » Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:59 pm

thebigbird wrote:
LakerLegend wrote:The Bulls went against and dominated teams with players like Oakley, Rich Mahorn, Shaq, Karl Malone, Barkley, Larry Johnson etc but they couldn't physically handle guys like Iguodala Marc Gasol Draymond etc.

Charles Oakley was 6'8 225 pounds. Rick Mahorn was 6'10 240 pounds. We've got stretch 4s bigger than that today. Hell, Kevin Love is 6'10 250.


Charles Oakley was WHAT?

Oak tipped the scales at an easy 250, and Mahorn tipped the scales at a cool 260. Mahorn often bigger than that actually -- his weight was an ongoing issue, although it largely manifested in a massive caboose.

And they would have torn limb from limb about 3/4 of the delicate little stretch "power" forwards today. They weren't only big, they PLAYED big.

Its like modern day little punkass guards talking smack about Ron Artest or something.

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Chuck was 6'6" 250 (actually 6'4.5" but who's counting)
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Re: Gilbert Arenas and Lou Williams with shots fired on 90's and 70's eras 

Post#102 » by LakerLegend » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:00 pm

LakerLegend wrote:tHeY wErE toO SmALL

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Post#103 » by Quattro » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:01 pm

Here is a counter argument from one of my favourite players of all time:

https://www.opencourt-basketball.com/charles-oakley-says-todays-players-wearing-dresses/
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Re: Gilbert Arenas and Lou Williams with shots fired on 90's and 70's eras 

Post#104 » by HMFFL » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:02 pm

First Step wrote:Why do people listen to Arenas? Lol. The guy literally behaves like he's 11 years old.
Childish troll indeed.
I have mainly seen him on Instagram acting like a child.

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Post#105 » by LakerLegend » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:03 pm

Winsome Gerbil wrote:
thebigbird wrote:
LakerLegend wrote:The Bulls went against and dominated teams with players like Oakley, Rich Mahorn, Shaq, Karl Malone, Barkley, Larry Johnson etc but they couldn't physically handle guys like Iguodala Marc Gasol Draymond etc.

Charles Oakley was 6'8 225 pounds. Rick Mahorn was 6'10 240 pounds. We've got stretch 4s bigger than that today. Hell, Kevin Love is 6'10 250.


Charles Oakley was WHAT?

Oak tipped the scales at an easy 250, and Mahorn tipped the scales at a cool 260. Mahorn often bigger than that actually -- his weight was an ongoing issue, although it largely manifested in a massive caboose.

And they would torn limb from limb about 3/4 of the delicate little stretch "power" forwards today.

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Chuck was 6'6" 250 (actually 6'4.5" but who's counting)


oAkLey and MaHorn WeRE tOO smALL

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Post#106 » by OkcSinceSGA » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:05 pm

You guys are shooting way too low on Barkley. Mid-late career Barkley was probably a legit 270 lol.
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Post#107 » by SkyBill40 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:05 pm

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thebigbird wrote:The 70s/80s/90s weren't more physical than the NBA today.


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So im guessing youre 50+ and watched ball back then and not just selective youtube clips


I'll be 45 this year, thanks. Attended plenty of games and have watched regularly since I was probably 8 years old.
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Post#108 » by mademan » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:05 pm

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mademan wrote:
SkyBill40 wrote:
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So im guessing youre 50+ and watched ball back then and not just selective youtube clips


I'll be 45 this year, thanks. Attended plenty of games and have watched regularly since I was probably 8 years old.


bruh, 45 and still posting memes and chit. I hope im still that cool when old and bald
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Post#109 » by thebigbird » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:07 pm

xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:
thebigbird wrote:The 70s/80s/90s weren't more physical than the NBA today.

Bruh...

They werent. There are countless videos of Jordan waltzing to the rim untouched in the 80s and 90s. People are relying on 30 year old memories when they make these claims. The whole "things were better back in my day, young kids don't understand" stance that older folks always take.
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Post#110 » by Overhere » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:08 pm

The idea that teams from the 90s wouldn't be able to PHYSICALLY deal with the players of today is just laughable.

Pretty sure "NBA player is biased towards himself" is a constant. This is just as dumb of a take as all those "these current crybabies wouldn't last a game in the tOuGh 80s/90s/whatever" takes you often see from retired players.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas and Lou Williams with shots fired on 90's and 70's eras 

Post#111 » by thebigbird » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:09 pm

Winsome Gerbil wrote:
thebigbird wrote:
LakerLegend wrote:The Bulls went against and dominated teams with players like Oakley, Rich Mahorn, Shaq, Karl Malone, Barkley, Larry Johnson etc but they couldn't physically handle guys like Iguodala Marc Gasol Draymond etc.

Charles Oakley was 6'8 225 pounds. Rick Mahorn was 6'10 240 pounds. We've got stretch 4s bigger than that today. Hell, Kevin Love is 6'10 250.


Charles Oakley was WHAT?

Oak tipped the scales at an easy 250, and Mahorn tipped the scales at a cool 260. Mahorn often bigger than that actually -- his weight was an ongoing issue, although it largely manifested in a massive caboose.

And they would have torn limb from limb about 3/4 of the delicate little stretch "power" forwards today. They weren't only big, they PLAYED big.

Its like modern day little punkass guards talking smack about Ron Artest or something.

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Chuck was 6'6" 250 (actually 6'4.5" but who's counting)

Okay, well I'm going off listed weight. If we're not relying on that for them then we can't for today's players either.
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Post#112 » by Johnny Bball » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:09 pm

mademan wrote:lmao. He's not wrong. Pippen opens himself up to this when he says he could shut down anybody in today's game. Bruh was a buck-90 back then; that aint guarding Lebron today


When was the last time you saw someone 6-6, 6-7 that weighed 190 that had any muscle. Lol.
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Post#113 » by ellobo » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:09 pm

mademan wrote:
SkyBill40 wrote:
thebigbird wrote:The 70s/80s/90s weren't more physical than the NBA today.


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So im guessing youre 50+ and watched ball back then and not just selective youtube clips


I'm 54. I first saw Rodman play in the Portsmouth Invitational, which was on TV, prior to the draft.

As far as overall physical play, my recollection is that more physical post defense was allowed, and more hand contact on the perimeter was allowed (although I think a lot of the "handchecking era" hype is overstated). In the past few years, I've also watched a ton of complete "Hardwood Classics" games on NBATV, from various eras, so I'm not just relying on memory.

The biggest difference was flagrant foul rules. It used to be that giving hard fouls, knocking guys to the ground to prevent layups and generally intimidate, was common. It's not like it happened every time -- teams still gave up dunks and uncontested layups. But it was still common and MUCH more prevalent than today. It was part of any good defensive team's persona, and there were lots of enforcer type players whose main role was to bang, give hard fouls and make the opponent feel their physical presence. Hard fouls were definitely part of the game in a way they no longer are.

There was also much more of an offensive emphasis on post play and midrange shooting, so the floor was more congested. More players banging in a smaller area equalled more opportunities for contact. On the other hand, today there is much more of defensive emphasis on getting into shooters on the perimeter, whereas in past eras, it was more prevalent to just sag off anyone who was 20+ feet from the basket.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas and Lou Williams with shots fired on 90's and 70's eras 

Post#114 » by LakerLegend » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:09 pm

thebigbird wrote:
xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:
thebigbird wrote:The 70s/80s/90s weren't more physical than the NBA today.

Bruh...

They werent. There are countless videos of Jordan waltzing to the rim untouched in the 80s and 90s. People are relying on 30 year old memories when they make these claims. The whole "things were better back in my day, young kids don't understand" stance that older folks always take.


The older folks have watched both eras, the younger folks have only watched one.

So who's more qualified to speak on it.
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Post#115 » by OkcSinceSGA » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:10 pm

mademan wrote:
SkyBill40 wrote:
mademan wrote:
So im guessing youre 50+ and watched ball back then and not just selective youtube clips


I'll be 45 this year, thanks. Attended plenty of games and have watched regularly since I was probably 8 years old.


bruh, 45 and still posting memes and chit. I hope im still that cool when old and bald


You realize many people maintain a full head of hair until well into their 50's right lol? I'm 33 and haven't lost any hair whatsoever (besides very little receding, but that happened when I was like 23).
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Re: Gilbert Arenas and Lou Williams with shots fired on 90's and 70's eras 

Post#116 » by Side beard » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:10 pm

First Step wrote:Why do people listen to Arenas? Lol. The guy literally behaves like he's 11 years old.

And yet he is entertaining and knows some **** about basketball. Probably way more than anyone on here. Also he often makes points about topics that armchair fans rarely if ever bring up.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas and Lou Williams with shots fired on 90's and 70's eras 

Post#117 » by mademan » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:11 pm

LakerLegend wrote:
thebigbird wrote:
xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:Bruh...

They werent. There are countless videos of Jordan waltzing to the rim untouched in the 80s and 90s. People are relying on 30 year old memories when they make these claims. The whole "things were better back in my day, young kids don't understand" stance that older folks always take.


The older folks have watched both eras, the younger folks have only watched one.

So who's more qualified to speak on it.


Gilbert was born in the early 80's. Im sure he watched his fare share of 90's ball
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Post#118 » by Priest24 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:11 pm

Who cares? It's something we'll never know.
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Re: Gilbert Arenas and Lou Williams with shots fired on 90's and 70's eras 

Post#119 » by LakerLegend » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:12 pm

mademan wrote:
LakerLegend wrote:
thebigbird wrote:They werent. There are countless videos of Jordan waltzing to the rim untouched in the 80s and 90s. People are relying on 30 year old memories when they make these claims. The whole "things were better back in my day, young kids don't understand" stance that older folks always take.


The older folks have watched both eras, the younger folks have only watched one.

So who's more qualified to speak on it.


Gilbert was born in the early 80's. Im sure he watched his fare share of 90's ball


Gilbert also took a handgun into the locker room almost got into a shootout, he's not the brightest of bulbs.
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Post#120 » by mademan » Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:12 pm

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mademan wrote:
SkyBill40 wrote:
I'll be 45 this year, thanks. Attended plenty of games and have watched regularly since I was probably 8 years old.


bruh, 45 and still posting memes and chit. I hope im still that cool when old and bald


You realize many people maintain a full head of hair until well into their 50's right lol? I'm 33 and haven't lost any hair whatsoever (besides very little receding, but that happened when I was like 23).


My pops, his pops, and his pops before him were bald. I aint mad, i rock a buzz cut right now and they all looked fine bald. Just gonna have to hit the steroids and get jacked

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