Nothin but Nets

[MrDollarBills]

Sounds like you're projecting- I never said they'd be worse. I actually landed on 44 wins in my own projections (2 more than last season). And yet the numbers in the OP tell me the young guys had less to do with last year's success than previously thought. No need to twist yourself in a pretzel over it. I'm sure the Nets will be a legitimate threat when KD returns.

the numbers in the OP are without context, which is why you can't sit here and use on/off as if it's some end all to be all metric.

Joe Harris had a -4.0 yet any Net fan will tell you that Joe Harris' floor spacing ability was the engine behind the Nets' offense last season. the dude was hitting huge shots and keeping us in games. You should even realize this yourself because once Harris **** his pants in the playoffs (he shot horribly) the Nets offense ground to a halt outside of Caris LeVert and Spencer Dinwiddie going north south and hitting threes.

Go look at the box scores for the folks that you have in the green in your OP. Do you really think Jared Dudley and Shabazz Napier were carrying this team like that?

You seriously don't know what you're talking about.

You think I don't know about Joe Harris' floor spacing ability? Lol c'mon man. That's one element of his game, great. He's a useful piece to have but solidly below average as an NBA starter. I can't tell if you know how to digest the data I presented because, if you did, you would know Harris was far from the "engine" of your team's success. He was a positive on offense but an even bigger negative on defense.

The good thing about knowing what I'm talking about is not having to convince you of it.

So who was the engine behind our offense's success, Ed Davis? are you sure you know how to digest the data that you've presented??

No one cares about Harris' defense. He was a huge factor in our offense due to his elite three point shooting that opened up things for Russell, LeVert, and Dinwiddie to go to work.

And no, you don't have to convince me on anything, just based on your OP and this continued conversation I know you don't know what you're talking about, especially when you're sitting there downplaying Joe Harris' impact based on on/off numbers. You might want to actually start watching games and having some semblance of an understanding of how this team works before thinking your opinion carries weight.

[MrDollarBills]

but they did add kyrie/deandre to a 42-win team. 4 starters and the 6th man all returning. the nets have less turnover then the sixers who are replacing 2 starters.

Straight up not true. If all the guys you kept were outscored while on the court, how would they end up with a winning record? Short answer they wouldn't have

because not every game is decided by 1 point.

example:

you lose by 20. you are a -20
you win by 2
you win by 5
you win by 3
you win by 1
you lose by 4
you win by 1
you win by 3
you win by 4
you win by 2

you would be a -3 with an 8-2 record.

In FACT... the nets as a team had a negative point differential last year:



Your use of +/- becomes even more useless when you realize that the guys with thie hgihest +/- are those who were 3rd strin/only played garbage time and racked alot of that up in meaningless minutes (specifically RHJ)

The Nets lost 2 players of consequence. Russell and Carroll. They replaced them with Kyrie and Prince. we can speculate how that will go. Davis was a ncie backup center, but at the end of the day backup centers dont provide a ton of value and Deandre Jordan at hsi worst will replace 75-80% of davis and might be an upgrade.

Scrubs who didnt play real minutes or had a role only when injury popped up like napier wont matter.

We returned 4 STARTERS and our 6th man. thats the core of the team.

if we want to talk about continuity we should look at boston who lost 3 starters (2 all-stars), philly who lost 2 starters(1 all-star), indy who lost 3 starters, etc....

It's funny how people on this forum clowned Jared Dudley last season yet now all of a sudden he's this major loss for the Nets based on his on/off absolutely clueless.

[Prokorov]

This is a weird thread. I've been someone skeptical of the Nets NEXT season (with KD, they are contenders if he's 80-90% of what he was). The Nets I feel can be really good, but they have a lot of question marks. Kyrie has shown he just cannot lead a team on his own. He is a huge culture question mark on a team that thrived with their good culture last season. He couldn't win in Boston with far more talent than he will be working with next season. The Kyrie/LeVert backcourt is one of the more frail backcourts in the league from an injury history standpoint. Those guys will miss games, period.

Now, if they stay healthy and their guys continue to have career years, they will be a force. But it seemed like the Nets squeezed every ounce of talent last year out of guys who had previously been simply decent (Russell, Harris, Dinwiddie, etc.).

The Nets most certainly did not add Kyrie to a 42 win team. Depth is depth, and the Nets lost a lot of depth and so there are question marks as to how the new players will jell. They are a team I'm very interested to see next season. When KD comes back, all bets are off.

Can you specifically point to the depth that the Nets lost in this summer's activity?

Yeah we have a deeper team then last year.

Dinwiddie, Nwamba, Temple, Prince, Jordan is about as good a bench as you will find around the league.

[Prokorov]

This is a weird thread. I've been someone skeptical of the Nets NEXT season (with KD, they are contenders if he's 80-90% of what he was). The Nets I feel can be really good, but they have a lot of question marks. Kyrie has shown he just cannot lead a team on his own. He is a huge culture question mark on a team that thrived with their good culture last season. He couldn't win in Boston with far more talent than he will be working with next season. The Kyrie/LeVert backcourt is one of the more frail backcourts in the league from an injury history standpoint. Those guys will miss games, period.

Now, if they stay healthy and their guys continue to have career years, they will be a force. But it seemed like the Nets squeezed every ounce of talent last year out of guys who had previously been simply decent (Russell, Harris, Dinwiddie, etc.).

The Nets most certainly did not add Kyrie to a 42 win team. Depth is depth, and the Nets lost a lot of depth and so there are question marks as to how the new players will jell. They are a team I'm very interested to see next season. When KD comes back, all bets are off.

Can you specifically point to the depth that the Nets lost in this summer's activity?

We've had this discussion before I believe. I know guys like Davis, RHJ, Carroll, Crabbe, Napier, Dudley were not world beaters but last years team thrived on chemistry. That was a theme of their season, good culture, great chemistry, cohesion, etc. My point is when you remove a lot of that and replace your good chemistry PG with a volatile (but clearly better player than Russell) Kyrie, there will be question marks. People are mentioning Pinson and Musa as pieces returning when those guys barely played at all. I just think when a team is overhauled that much, despite the Kyrie upgrade, there will be questions. And I watched De'andre play a lot last year when he was dealt to the Knicks, he's just not very good and I hope for Nets fans sake he barely plays over Allen.

Would you disagree with my other points I mentioned?

Pinson and Musa played as meaningful minutes as NApier and RHJ.

Crabbe, Carrroll, and Davis played meaningful minutes, but Crabe/Carroll missed half the year to injuries and you had fill ins liek traveon graham and mitch creek seeing time. Davis played alot, Jordan is not a downgrade if he is its negligible.

Chemistry will again be fine. nets have the msot elite culture in the NBA with the core of that returning. and it goes deeper then players. the leagues biggest staff, a 4:1 ratio of coaches to players. a staff of 30 catered jsut to taking care of players families, in-house counslors and sleep consultants. and it obviosuly starts with marks.

Nets chemistry will only continue to improve

[shtolky]

This is a weird thread. I've been someone skeptical of the Nets NEXT season (with KD, they are contenders if he's 80-90% of what he was). The Nets I feel can be really good, but they have a lot of question marks. Kyrie has shown he just cannot lead a team on his own. He is a huge culture question mark on a team that thrived with their good culture last season. He couldn't win in Boston with far more talent than he will be working with next season. The Kyrie/LeVert backcourt is one of the more frail backcourts in the league from an injury history standpoint. Those guys will miss games, period.

Now, if they stay healthy and their guys continue to have career years, they will be a force. But it seemed like the Nets squeezed every ounce of talent last year out of guys who had previously been simply decent (Russell, Harris, Dinwiddie, etc.).

The Nets most certainly did not add Kyrie to a 42 win team. Depth is depth, and the Nets lost a lot of depth and so there are question marks as to how the new players will jell. They are a team I'm very interested to see next season. When KD comes back, all bets are off.

Can you specifically point to the depth that the Nets lost in this summer's activity?

Yeah we have a deeper team then last year.

Dinwiddie, Nwamba, Temple, Prince, Jordan is about as good a bench as you will find around the league.

Agree to disagree about the strength of that bench. De'andre just simply isn't very good anymore. His defense is just incredibly bad. Nwaba is a 26 year old journeyman on his 4th team in four seasons. Temple is a 33 year old journeyman.

Dinwiddie and Prince are good.

I'm not saying the team is going to be bad, but I firmly believe that this chemistry angle is being downplayed a bit by some Nets fans. I wonder how Kyrie is going to feel if the team starts to struggle. His history is not kind in that regard and Russell was seemingly the perfect young PG for last years team.

You would know more about the team than I would, clearly, I just think this upcoming season won't be as successful as some think. As I've said, once KD comes back, then I'm afraid the the Nets.

[shtolky]

Can you specifically point to the depth that the Nets lost in this summer's activity?

We've had this discussion before I believe. I know guys like Davis, RHJ, Carroll, Crabbe, Napier, Dudley were not world beaters but last years team thrived on chemistry. That was a theme of their season, good culture, great chemistry, cohesion, etc. My point is when you remove a lot of that and replace your good chemistry PG with a volatile (but clearly better player than Russell) Kyrie, there will be question marks. People are mentioning Pinson and Musa as pieces returning when those guys barely played at all. I just think when a team is overhauled that much, despite the Kyrie upgrade, there will be questions. And I watched De'andre play a lot last year when he was dealt to the Knicks, he's just not very good and I hope for Nets fans sake he barely plays over Allen.

Would you disagree with my other points I mentioned?

Pinson and Musa played as meaningful minutes as NApier and RHJ.

Crabbe, Carrroll, and Davis played meaningful minutes, but Crabe/Carroll missed half the year to injuries and you had fill ins liek traveon graham and mitch creek seeing time. Davis played alot, Jordan is not a downgrade if he is its negligible.

Chemistry will again be fine. nets have the msot elite culture in the NBA with the core of that returning. and it goes deeper then players. the leagues biggest staff, a 4:1 ratio of coaches to players. a staff of 30 catered jsut to taking care of players families, in-house counslors and sleep consultants. and it obviosuly starts with marks.

Nets chemistry will only continue to improve

And the injury concerns for Kyrie/LeVert?

[The_Hater]

This is a weird thread. I've been someone skeptical of the Nets NEXT season (with KD, they are contenders if he's 80-90% of what he was). The Nets I feel can be really good, but they have a lot of question marks. Kyrie has shown he just cannot lead a team on his own. He is a huge culture question mark on a team that thrived with their good culture last season. He couldn't win in Boston with far more talent than he will be working with next season. The Kyrie/LeVert backcourt is one of the more frail backcourts in the league from an injury history standpoint. Those guys will miss games, period.

Now, if they stay healthy and their guys continue to have career years, they will be a force. But it seemed like the Nets squeezed every ounce of talent last year out of guys who had previously been simply decent (Russell, Harris, Dinwiddie, etc.).

The Nets most certainly did not add Kyrie to a 42 win team. Depth is depth, and the Nets lost a lot of depth and so there are question marks as to how the new players will jell. They are a team I'm very interested to see next season. When KD comes back, all bets are off.

Can you specifically point to the depth that the Nets lost in this summer's activity?

Yeah we have a deeper team then last year.

Dinwiddie, Nwamba, Temple, Prince, Jordan is about as good a bench as you will find around the league.

Decent bench, but ‘as good as you’ll find’ just seems like more pro-Nets hyperbole on your part. League average seems a more apt description.

[Prokorov]

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Agree to disagree about the strength of that bench. De'andre just simply isn't very good anymore. His defense is just incredibly bad. Nwaba is a 26 year old journeyman on his 4th team in four seasons. Temple is a 33 year old journeyman.

like nwamba, the guy he is replacing graham was a journeyman
like temple, the guy he is replacing dudley was a journeyman
like jordan, the guy he is replacing davis was a bad defebder

Dinwiddie and Prince are good.

I'm not saying the team is going to be bad, but I firmly believe that this chemistry angle is being downplayed a bit by some Nets fans. I wonder how Kyrie is going to feel if the team starts to struggle. His history is not kind in that regard and Russell was seemingly the perfect young PG for last years team.

You would know more about the team than I would, clearly, I just think this upcoming season won't be as successful as some think. As I've said, once KD comes back, then I'm afraid the the Nets.

There are plenty of concerns. levert, kyrie, and dinwiddie having injuries histories the top of that list.

chemistry is not one of them. i cant see any scenario where there is not elite chemistry

[Prokorov]

Can you specifically point to the depth that the Nets lost in this summer's activity?

Yeah we have a deeper team then last year.

Dinwiddie, Nwamba, Temple, Prince, Jordan is about as good a bench as you will find around the league.

Decent bench, but ‘as good as you’ll find’ just seems like more pro-Nets hyperbole on your part. League average seems a more apt description.

Nets bench was top 3 last year and is led by the runner up 6MOY (dinwiddie)

we improved that bench

it is a lock to be a top 5 bench. people are hating on jordan, no one is expecting him to start and be a 18/12 player. how many backup bigs are better then jordan? 5? 6?

[shtolky]

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Agree to disagree about the strength of that bench. De'andre just simply isn't very good anymore. His defense is just incredibly bad. Nwaba is a 26 year old journeyman on his 4th team in four seasons. Temple is a 33 year old journeyman.

like nwamba, the guy he is replacing graham was a journeyman
like temple, the guy he is replacing dudley was a journeyman
like jordan, the guy he is replacing davis was a bad defebder

Dinwiddie and Prince are good.

I'm not saying the team is going to be bad, but I firmly believe that this chemistry angle is being downplayed a bit by some Nets fans. I wonder how Kyrie is going to feel if the team starts to struggle. His history is not kind in that regard and Russell was seemingly the perfect young PG for last years team.

You would know more about the team than I would, clearly, I just think this upcoming season won't be as successful as some think. As I've said, once KD comes back, then I'm afraid the the Nets.

There are plenty of concerns. levert, kyrie, and dinwiddie having injuries histories the top of that list.

chemistry is not one of them. i cant see any scenario where there is not elite chemistry

Right, so two good players doesn't really make that bench as good as you'll find in the NBA.

And I think any time you add a guy like Kyrie, who has a clear history of severe chemistry issues, you have to be concerned about that. That's all. Not saying he's going to F it all up, but it has to be a concern, along with his massive injury history. He simply has too much history with his attitude going south the moment things don't go well. As the #1 guy this season with lesser talent than in Boston, I think he's going to find things difficult.

As I said, they are one of the teams I am most looking forward to seeing as I think their season can go in many different directions.

[Prokorov]

We've had this discussion before I believe. I know guys like Davis, RHJ, Carroll, Crabbe, Napier, Dudley were not world beaters but last years team thrived on chemistry. That was a theme of their season, good culture, great chemistry, cohesion, etc. My point is when you remove a lot of that and replace your good chemistry PG with a volatile (but clearly better player than Russell) Kyrie, there will be question marks. People are mentioning Pinson and Musa as pieces returning when those guys barely played at all. I just think when a team is overhauled that much, despite the Kyrie upgrade, there will be questions. And I watched De'andre play a lot last year when he was dealt to the Knicks, he's just not very good and I hope for Nets fans sake he barely plays over Allen.

Would you disagree with my other points I mentioned?

Pinson and Musa played as meaningful minutes as NApier and RHJ.

Crabbe, Carrroll, and Davis played meaningful minutes, but Crabe/Carroll missed half the year to injuries and you had fill ins liek traveon graham and mitch creek seeing time. Davis played alot, Jordan is not a downgrade if he is its negligible.

Chemistry will again be fine. nets have the msot elite culture in the NBA with the core of that returning. and it goes deeper then players. the leagues biggest staff, a 4:1 ratio of coaches to players. a staff of 30 catered jsut to taking care of players families, in-house counslors and sleep consultants. and it obviosuly starts with marks.

Nets chemistry will only continue to improve

injury concerns are the biggest concerns coming into this year. dinwiddie, allen also missed time.

on the flipside, the nets missed a ton of games to their best players (Russell, levert, carroll, dinwiddie, harris) and still won 42.

if kyrie can play 65 games, levert 60 we should be fine. but thats not a given.

Also, cant lose Joe Harris. he makes the nets offense run. we are a significantly worse team without him. he was our most impotant player last year. 2nd only to kyrie this year. but he has been pretty durable.

Having kyrie/spencer/levert is alot of depth at lead gaurd. helps insolate vs injury. but cant lose 2 or 3 at once

And the injury concerns for Kyrie/LeVert?

[Prokorov]

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Agree to disagree about the strength of that bench. De'andre just simply isn't very good anymore. His defense is just incredibly bad. Nwaba is a 26 year old journeyman on his 4th team in four seasons. Temple is a 33 year old journeyman.

like nwamba, the guy he is replacing graham was a journeyman
like temple, the guy he is replacing dudley was a journeyman
like jordan, the guy he is replacing davis was a bad defebder

Dinwiddie and Prince are good.

I'm not saying the team is going to be bad, but I firmly believe that this chemistry angle is being downplayed a bit by some Nets fans. I wonder how Kyrie is going to feel if the team starts to struggle. His history is not kind in that regard and Russell was seemingly the perfect young PG for last years team.

You would know more about the team than I would, clearly, I just think this upcoming season won't be as successful as some think. As I've said, once KD comes back, then I'm afraid the the Nets.

There are plenty of concerns. levert, kyrie, and dinwiddie having injuries histories the top of that list.

chemistry is not one of them. i cant see any scenario where there is not elite chemistry

Right, so two good players doesn't really make that bench as good as you'll find in the NBA.

And I think any time you add a guy like Kyrie, who has a clear history of severe chemistry issues, you have to be concerned about that. That's all. Not saying he's going to F it all up, but it has to be a concern, along with his massive injury history. He simply has too much history with his attitude going south the moment things don't go well. As the #1 guy this season with lesser talent than in Boston, I think he's going to find things difficult.

As I said, they are one of the teams I am most looking forward to seeing as I think their season can go in many different directions.

We only had 1 good player on our bench last year and it was top 3.

kyrie/chemistry issues are not even a minor concern and i expect him to help build the culture even futher. i dont care what happened in boston with a franchise who doesn value culutrre and lets ego maniac young kids run things and mouth off behind the scenes with 0 repricautions. cleveland/lebron is also always a circus

he is with the nets now, back home, in an elite culture where he wants to be, for the first time since duke. he will be an elite fit and help us maintain an elite culture. anyone who thinks otherwise doesnt understand the situaiton or the person

[Dino353]

Kyrie is too great of a player to not get them in. They’ll be a 5th-6th seed, Kyrie is happy so happy Kyrie equals winning. He lead Boston to the best record in the league his first season with them until he got hurt.

They are bringing back practically the same team lead by Russell so they’ll be fine.

[The_Hater]

Yeah we have a deeper team then last year.

Dinwiddie, Nwamba, Temple, Prince, Jordan is about as good a bench as you will find around the league.

Decent bench, but ‘as good as you’ll find’ just seems like more pro-Nets hyperbole on your part. League average seems a more apt description.

Nets bench was top 3 last year and is led by the runner up 6MOY (dinwiddie)

we improved that bench

it is a lock to be a top 5 bench. people are hating on jordan, no one is expecting him to start and be a 18/12 player. how many backup bigs are better then jordan? 5? 6?

Top 3 by what measure? I just googled 4 articles of the the top benches last season and only 1 had them top 3, and it was just a subjective ranking. 2/4 didn’t have them in the the top 10.

Plus it’s you that think it’s improved, I don’t think very many others see that. You’re going to be shocked at how terrible DeAndre Jordan has become. Ed Davis is a much better player at this stage.

But I’m glad it’s a lock that they’re top 5 next season, we’ll put that down with all your other predictions that were ‘locks’ over the past couple of years...until they weren’t.

[Prokorov]

Decent bench, but ‘as good as you’ll find’ just seems like more pro-Nets hyperbole on your part. League average seems a more apt description.

Nets bench was top 3 last year and is led by the runner up 6MOY (dinwiddie)

we improved that bench

it is a lock to be a top 5 bench. people are hating on jordan, no one is expecting him to start and be a 18/12 player. how many backup bigs are better then jordan? 5? 6?

Top 3 by what measure? I just googled 4 articles of the the top benches last season and only 1 had them top 3, and it was just a subjective ranking. 2/4 didn’t have them in the the top 10.

Plus it’s you that think it’s improved, I don’t think very many others see that. You’re going to be shocked at how terrible DeAndre Jordan has become. Ed Davis is a much better player at this stage.

But I’m glad it’s a lock that they’re top 5 next season, we’ll put that down with all your other predictions that were ‘locks’ over the past couple of years...until they weren’t.

Nets were top 5 in scoring, shooting, TS%,

Jordanisnt replacing a very good player. thus he doesnt need to be very good. Davis actually was a huge part of our biggest issue, defender scoring bigs. they destroyed him. we had no awnser. also, when he was on the floor our offense had to drastically change because he is awful in the pick and roll.

Nets bench will again be a strength... and jordan while a poor player overall will improve on it from last year because he is an infitnely better fit

[GeorgeMarcus]

the numbers in the OP are without context, which is why you can't sit here and use on/off as if it's some end all to be all metric.

Joe Harris had a -4.0 yet any Net fan will tell you that Joe Harris' floor spacing ability was the engine behind the Nets' offense last season. the dude was hitting huge shots and keeping us in games. You should even realize this yourself because once Harris **** his pants in the playoffs (he shot horribly) the Nets offense ground to a halt outside of Caris LeVert and Spencer Dinwiddie going north south and hitting threes.

Go look at the box scores for the folks that you have in the green in your OP. Do you really think Jared Dudley and Shabazz Napier were carrying this team like that?

You seriously don't know what you're talking about.

You think I don't know about Joe Harris' floor spacing ability? Lol c'mon man. That's one element of his game, great. He's a useful piece to have but solidly below average as an NBA starter. I can't tell if you know how to digest the data I presented because, if you did, you would know Harris was far from the "engine" of your team's success. He was a positive on offense but an even bigger negative on defense.

The good thing about knowing what I'm talking about is not having to convince you of it.

So who was the engine behind our offense's success, Ed Davis? are you sure you know how to digest the data that you've presented??

No one cares about Harris' defense. He was a huge factor in our offense due to his elite three point shooting that opened up things for Russell, LeVert, and Dinwiddie to go to work.

And no, you don't have to convince me on anything, just based on your OP and this continued conversation I know you don't know what you're talking about, especially when you're sitting there downplaying Joe Harris' impact based on on/off numbers. You might want to actually start watching games and having some semblance of an understanding of how this team works before thinking your opinion carries weight.

“No one cares about Harris’ defense” I remember clueless Sixers fans having similar feelings on Redick. Some people like to overvalue their ‘eye test’ or whatever even in stark contradiction to numbers/reality. Suit yourself man. No skin off my back. I sure don’t watch any games or anything...

[GeorgeMarcus]

Straight up not true. If all the guys you kept were outscored while on the court, how would they end up with a winning record? Short answer they wouldn't have

because not every game is decided by 1 point.

example:

you lose by 20. you are a -20
you win by 2
you win by 5
you win by 3
you win by 1
you lose by 4
you win by 1
you win by 3
you win by 4
you win by 2

you would be a -3 with an 8-2 record.

In FACT... the nets as a team had a negative point differential last year:



Your use of +/- becomes even more useless when you realize that the guys with thie hgihest +/- are those who were 3rd strin/only played garbage time and racked alot of that up in meaningless minutes (specifically RHJ)

The Nets lost 2 players of consequence. Russell and Carroll. They replaced them with Kyrie and Prince. we can speculate how that will go. Davis was a ncie backup center, but at the end of the day backup centers dont provide a ton of value and Deandre Jordan at hsi worst will replace 75-80% of davis and might be an upgrade.

Scrubs who didnt play real minutes or had a role only when injury popped up like napier wont matter.

We returned 4 STARTERS and our 6th man. thats the core of the team.

if we want to talk about continuity we should look at boston who lost 3 starters (2 all-stars), philly who lost 2 starters(1 all-star), indy who lost 3 starters, etc....

It's funny how people on this forum clowned Jared Dudley last season yet now all of a sudden he's this major loss for the Nets based on his on/off absolutely clueless.

Find a post of me clowning Jared Dudley and I’ll delete my OP. Otherwise, irrelevant comment.

Prokorov: yes, you can have a winning record while being outscored, but if that’s what you’re relying on you might be in for a bad time...

[Prokorov]

because not every game is decided by 1 point.

example:

you lose by 20. you are a -20
you win by 2
you win by 5
you win by 3
you win by 1
you lose by 4
you win by 1
you win by 3
you win by 4
you win by 2

you would be a -3 with an 8-2 record.

In FACT... the nets as a team had a negative point differential last year:



Your use of +/- becomes even more useless when you realize that the guys with thie hgihest +/- are those who were 3rd strin/only played garbage time and racked alot of that up in meaningless minutes (specifically RHJ)

The Nets lost 2 players of consequence. Russell and Carroll. They replaced them with Kyrie and Prince. we can speculate how that will go. Davis was a ncie backup center, but at the end of the day backup centers dont provide a ton of value and Deandre Jordan at hsi worst will replace 75-80% of davis and might be an upgrade.

Scrubs who didnt play real minutes or had a role only when injury popped up like napier wont matter.

We returned 4 STARTERS and our 6th man. thats the core of the team.

if we want to talk about continuity we should look at boston who lost 3 starters (2 all-stars), philly who lost 2 starters(1 all-star), indy who lost 3 starters, etc....

It's funny how people on this forum clowned Jared Dudley last season yet now all of a sudden he's this major loss for the Nets based on his on/off absolutely clueless.

Find a post of me clowning Jared Dudley and I’ll delete my OP. Otherwise, irrelevant comment.

Prokorov: yes, you can have a winning record while being outscored, but if that’s what you’re relying on you might be in for a bad time...

You re moving goal posts. you asked how it was possible that ngative +/- are the core bu you have a winning record. i showed you exactly how.

you probably wont be much better then a few games over .500. but when you upgrade a .500 core you typically see increases in wins and +/- across the board.

Nets should win 48-52 games this year.

[Prokorov]

You think I don't know about Joe Harris' floor spacing ability? Lol c'mon man. That's one element of his game, great. He's a useful piece to have but solidly below average as an NBA starter. I can't tell if you know how to digest the data I presented because, if you did, you would know Harris was far from the "engine" of your team's success. He was a positive on offense but an even bigger negative on defense.

The good thing about knowing what I'm talking about is not having to convince you of it.

So who was the engine behind our offense's success, Ed Davis? are you sure you know how to digest the data that you've presented??

No one cares about Harris' defense. He was a huge factor in our offense due to his elite three point shooting that opened up things for Russell, LeVert, and Dinwiddie to go to work.

And no, you don't have to convince me on anything, just based on your OP and this continued conversation I know you don't know what you're talking about, especially when you're sitting there downplaying Joe Harris' impact based on on/off numbers. You might want to actually start watching games and having some semblance of an understanding of how this team works before thinking your opinion carries weight.

“No one cares about Harris’ defense” I remember clueless Sixers fans having similar feelings on Redick. Some people like to overvalue their ‘eye test’ or whatever even in stark contradiction to numbers/reality. Suit yourself man. No skin off my back. I sure don’t watch any games or anything...

If you dont think Harris is the guy who made the nets offense run you clearly have no clue about last years nets team or harris. especially if you think he is merely a "floor spacer". without harris, the nets basically revert to an iso team that struggles to make defense move or work. we are probably 15 games worse last year without harris. he has an enormous impact. this isnt steve novak sitting in corners

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If you're a betting man, you should take the over in regards to their record, I know I will be.

I already placed my bet for under 47.5. Let the games begin.

Decent bet.

As a Nets fan, I'm not sold on the team THIS season, but not for those reasons. Marks has continuously shown he can get the players that Kenny can salvage or elevate. Jordan will be so much better for the Nets because if for no other reason he can, in theory, defend the big guys better than Allen who you saw schooled... along with E.Davis. Prince will be the mid 20s version of DMC.... hopefully, Temple and Chandler are strong vets as well. I don't think the Nets will be that much better because a. I've never been a Kyrie fan and b. Russell is good. Assuming average health they should be a few games better, but I think the East is getting deeper while the Nets basically have a low pressure year. Mid 40s in wins 4 to 7 seed.

I'd take Ed Davis over Jordan any day. Davis plays harder, is much smarter, better communicator and also understands his limitation. He's also a decent man to man defender, something Allen hopefully will improve at. Jordan however is not a good man to man defender either, especially if he's guarding a big who can face up and shoot because he's so prone to pump faking.

Also Jordan was horrible last year on the Mavs. He was mostly caring about his rebounds. No hustle whatsoever, out of position most of the time...just horrible. He's also slowing down and not as good at switching, something I thought he did extremely well in the past.

What bothered me the most was his lack of interest. I think it's demotivating having a guy on the floor who doesn't play hard. It kills your momentum.