Is Cam Reddish the worst starter in the NBA?

[Geaux_Hawks]

It's 4 games plus his entire season at Duke plus some signs before that, too. Reddish has been called a top prospect for a while and hasn't really done anything on the court to suggest as much. This is more than a 4 game reaction as far as I can tell. This isn't totally unlike Harrison Barnes where he kept being called the #1 pick but his game never quit fit, only Reddish is worse than Barnes.

Wow, You should be a scout for the NBA since you can say someone will never be a good pro 4 games into his NBA career.
He showed signs of being a good player at duke also.

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Bringing up his Duke career might be the worst argument one can make In favor of Reddish. He was drafted in the lottery despite his college career as all it did was lower people’s expectations significantly. He was awful.

Quite frankly, bringing up Reddish being a bust shouldn't be discussed at this time anyway. Hawks didn't draft him for what he did at Duke. Hawks are only concerned about how they can develop and use the talent he was praised for having before stepping foot on Dukes campus.

[I_Like_Dirt]

He showed signs of being a good player at duke also.

I'm gonna assume you didn't watch him at Duke nor did you even bother to look up his results at Duke. He shot 35% from the field and had significantly more turnovers than assists. He showed some defensive signs but nobody is drafting in the lottery looking for a poor man's Andre Roberson.

And no, they shouldn't just cut him now. I never said that. This idea that he's some sort of good player or likely to be more than a fringe NBA player has basically 0 evidence at this point except for a bunch of non-sequiturs.

[The_Hater]

Wow, You should be a scout for the NBA since you can say someone will never be a good pro 4 games into his NBA career.
He showed signs of being a good player at duke also.

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Bringing up his Duke career might be the worst argument one can make In favor of Reddish. He was drafted in the lottery despite his college career as all it did was lower people’s expectations significantly. He was awful.

Quite frankly, bringing up Reddish being a bust shouldn't be discussed at this time anyway. Hawks didn't draft him for what he did at Duke. Hawks are only concerned about how they can develop and use the talent he was praised for having before stepping foot on Dukes campus.

Reddish has played very poorly through 4 games so some people are going to call him a bust. That’s what people do with rookies. Is it premature? Maybe.

I’m different, I predicted that Reddish would be a bust when I saw him play at Duke. Nothing against Hawks fans, but I think your GM made a terrible decision here and I haven’t seen anything that changes my mind yet. If he proves me wrong then I have no problem admitting I was wrong, it certainly wouldn’t be the first time.

[WeLikeOurGuys]

He showed signs of being a good player at duke also.

I'm gonna assume you didn't watch him at Duke nor did you even bother to look up his results at Duke. He shot 35% from the field and had significantly more turnovers than assists. He showed some defensive signs but nobody is drafting in the lottery looking for a poor man's Andre Roberson.

And no, they shouldn't just cut him now. I never said that. This idea that he's some sort of good player or likely to be more than a fringe NBA player has basically 0 evidence at this point except for a bunch of non-sequiturs.

any rookie you draft has to be developed and to say he's going to be a bust after 4 games is ridiculous.

[I_Like_Dirt]

any rookie you draft has to be developed and to say he's going to be a bust after 4 games is ridiculous.

You keep suggesting it's just 4 games. It's clearly been more than 4 games with his issues. As for Reddish being a bust, I have no idea but the concept of deciding whether or not a player is going to be a good NBA player isn't ridiculous at all. It's what NBA teams have to do when they draft players and last I checked this is a forum to discuss the NBA so the fact that you seem surprised and find it ridiculous that people would be discussing such subjects, combined with the fact that you seem to have a hard time understanding that these opinions/concerns people have were formed over significantly more than 4 games leads me to believe you have a fairly hard time with basic logic.

[The_Hater]

He showed signs of being a good player at duke also.

I'm gonna assume you didn't watch him at Duke nor did you even bother to look up his results at Duke. He shot 35% from the field and had significantly more turnovers than assists. He showed some defensive signs but nobody is drafting in the lottery looking for a poor man's Andre Roberson.

And no, they shouldn't just cut him now. I never said that. This idea that he's some sort of good player or likely to be more than a fringe NBA player has basically 0 evidence at this point except for a bunch of non-sequiturs.

any rookie you draft has to be developed and to say he's going to be a bust after 4 games is ridiculous.

According to you its ridiculous but at the end of the day most draft picks end up being busts. And it’s much easier to predict such an outcome when a player was terrible in college and now looks terrible in the NBA regardless of where he was drafted. I remember seeing the first few games of Rafael Araujo, drafted 8th overalI by the RaptorsM and thinking man, this guy can’t play at all. He didn’t last very long.

As it is, if you had a player rated highly at the draft, you’ll argue ‘Give him time, gotta wait and see’. And if you didn’t like the player and thought he was a bad pick at the draft then his poor play just confirms your previous opinion. But you seem to think that everyone’s opinion on was formed solely on the last 4 games, that would be incorrect. But people are still allowed to form opinions based on any amount of information.

[Catchall]

You can't judge a rookie with just a handful of games...

[Dan Z]

Otto Porter Jr says hello. Okay maybe he's not the worst starter in the NBA but right now he's up there. I don't think anyone thought he'd shoot .265 in his first 4 games to start the season. Along with poor defense.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porteot01.html

Not totally fair if the cause of his struggles are due to injury . I’ve seen what Otto can do when healthy but he looks far from that atm.

If he's injured then he should sit. One reason why I bring him up is because he's expected to play better because he's shown what he can do (for 6 seasons). Right now he's playing worse than he ever has minus his rookie year (and even that's debatable).

Nobody expects Cam Reddish to light up the NBA in his first season.

[The_Hater]

You can't judge a rookie with just a handful of games...

You can actually judge any player on any amount of information. Opinions are likely to be better if you have more information but you can still make them.

That said, Reddish has played far more than 4 games to form my opinion. He didn’t look good at Duke for an entire season, he didn’t look good in the preseason and now he’s had 4 terrible NBA games. I’m still waiting for some sort of evidence that he’s good or going to be good other than he was a very highly rated recruit in high school. I don’t think I’m asking for much here.

[Catchall]

You can't judge a rookie with just a handful of games...

You can actually judge any player on any amount of information. Opinions are likely to be better if you have more information but you can still make them.

That said, Reddish has played far more than 4 games to form my opinion. He didn’t look good at Duke for an entire season, he didn’t look good in the preseason and now he’s had 4 terrible NBA games. I’m still waiting for some sort of evidence that he’s good or going to be good other than he was a very highly rated recruit in high school. I don’t think I’m asking for much here.

Well, he's a 20 year-old rookie with a lot of natural talent and tools. He's had a few nice moments. You sound like a hater.

[The_Hater]

You can't judge a rookie with just a handful of games...

You can actually judge any player on any amount of information. Opinions are likely to be better if you have more information but you can still make them.

That said, Reddish has played far more than 4 games to form my opinion. He didn’t look good at Duke for an entire season, he didn’t look good in the preseason and now he’s had 4 terrible NBA games. I’m still waiting for some sort of evidence that he’s good or going to be good other than he was a very highly rated recruit in high school. I don’t think I’m asking for much here.

Well, he's a 20 year-old rookie with a lot of natural talent and tools. He's had a few nice moments. You sound like a hater.

Hater. That’s clever. Never heard that one before.

I didn’t realize that when I watched basketball gsmes I had to have a positive, optmistic opinion about every young player? Is that how that works? I can’t just have a wide range of opinions that are between positive and negative?

As for this natural talent and tools, I keep hearing that but they haven’t translated on his last 2 levels. It’s not like every high school superstar automatically becomes a good or great NBA player. Most don’t. And all basketball players have a few nice moments, that doesn’t make them great prospects and it doesn’t mean we should ignore everything else that takes place between those nice moments. If you want to make an informed opinion you need to examine all the moments good, bad and in between, not just the good ones.

[WeLikeOurGuys]

I'm gonna assume you didn't watch him at Duke nor did you even bother to look up his results at Duke. He shot 35% from the field and had significantly more turnovers than assists. He showed some defensive signs but nobody is drafting in the lottery looking for a poor man's Andre Roberson.

And no, they shouldn't just cut him now. I never said that. This idea that he's some sort of good player or likely to be more than a fringe NBA player has basically 0 evidence at this point except for a bunch of non-sequiturs.

any rookie you draft has to be developed and to say he's going to be a bust after 4 games is ridiculous.

According to you its ridiculous but at the end of the day most draft picks end up being busts. And it’s much easier to predict such an outcome when a player was terrible in college and now looks terrible in the NBA regardless of where he was drafted. I remember seeing the first few games of Rafael Araujo, drafted 8th overalI by the RaptorsM and thinking man, this guy can’t play at all. He didn’t last very long.

As it is, if you had a player rated highly at the draft, you’ll argue ‘Give him time, gotta wait and see’. And if you didn’t like the player and thought he was a bad pick at the draft then his poor play just confirms your previous opinion. But you seem to think that everyone’s opinion on was formed solely on the last 4 games, that would be incorrect. But people are still allowed to form opinions based on any amount of information.

Right, I'm the ridiculous because I wont call a rookie a bust after 4 games lol.
Rafael Araujo . your one hell of a talent evaluator.

[WeLikeOurGuys]

any rookie you draft has to be developed and to say he's going to be a bust after 4 games is ridiculous.

You keep suggesting it's just 4 games. It's clearly been more than 4 games with his issues. As for Reddish being a bust, I have no idea but the concept of deciding whether or not a player is going to be a good NBA player isn't ridiculous at all. It's what NBA teams have to do when they draft players and last I checked this is a forum to discuss the NBA so the fact that you seem surprised and find it ridiculous that people would be discussing such subjects, combined with the fact that you seem to have a hard time understanding that these opinions/concerns people have were formed over significantly more than 4 games leads me to believe you have a fairly hard time with basic logic.

nah, I just think your opinion is trash calling a rookie a bust after 4 games.

that is all.

[PG24]

Mike Conley and JJ Redick have a case to be argued for here after 1 week.

[The_Hater]

any rookie you draft has to be developed and to say he's going to be a bust after 4 games is ridiculous.

According to you its ridiculous but at the end of the day most draft picks end up being busts. And it’s much easier to predict such an outcome when a player was terrible in college and now looks terrible in the NBA regardless of where he was drafted. I remember seeing the first few games of Rafael Araujo, drafted 8th overalI by the RaptorsM and thinking man, this guy can’t play at all. He didn’t last very long.

As it is, if you had a player rated highly at the draft, you’ll argue ‘Give him time, gotta wait and see’. And if you didn’t like the player and thought he was a bad pick at the draft then his poor play just confirms your previous opinion. But you seem to think that everyone’s opinion on was formed solely on the last 4 games, that would be incorrect. But people are still allowed to form opinions based on any amount of information.

Right, I'm the ridiculous because I wont call a rookie a bust after 4 games lol.
Rafael Araujo . your one hell of a talent evaluator.

Why am I not surprised that you completely missed my point? Did I use too many big words?

Have a good life.

[Illmatic12]

Otto Porter Jr says hello. Okay maybe he's not the worst starter in the NBA but right now he's up there. I don't think anyone thought he'd shoot .265 in his first 4 games to start the season. Along with poor defense.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porteot01.html

Not totally fair if the cause of his struggles are due to injury . I’ve seen what Otto can do when healthy but he looks far from that atm.

If he's injured then he should sit. One reason why I bring him up is because he's expected to play better because he's shown what he can do (for 6 seasons). Right now he's playing worse than he ever has minus his rookie year (and even that's debatable).

Nobody expects Cam Reddish to light up the NBA in his first season.

Yeah I think he should be sitting .. especially because if he takes one good hit to that hip , his career could go the way of Isaiah Thomas

That announcement is probably coming soon. He has the player option for next season which will end up looking like a great move by his agent .

[KingDavid]

Isn't he still recovering from abdominal injury/surgery? That's going to take a long time to completely heal from. His core is probably weak af and is throwing off his game. I'd honestly wait until next season to see what he's got.

[Dan Z]

Not totally fair if the cause of his struggles are due to injury . I’ve seen what Otto can do when healthy but he looks far from that atm.

If he's injured then he should sit. One reason why I bring him up is because he's expected to play better because he's shown what he can do (for 6 seasons). Right now he's playing worse than he ever has minus his rookie year (and even that's debatable).

Nobody expects Cam Reddish to light up the NBA in his first season.

Yeah I think he should be sitting .. especially because if he takes one good hit to that hip , his career could go the way of Isaiah Thomas

That announcement is probably coming soon. He has the player option for next season which will end up looking like a great move by his agent .

OPJ talks about it here (this was posted on the Bulls board today):
https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2019/10/29/20939253/bulls-cavaliers-otto-porter

I don't buy most of it. He says that he's getting used to a new team yet he played 15 games with the Bulls last year and has been here all pre-season.

He also says that he has to "Keep being aggressive". I agree, but why wasn't he aggressive for the first 4 games?

[Dan Z]

Isn't he still recovering from abdominal injury/surgery? That's going to take a long time to completely heal from. His core is probably weak af and is throwing off his game. I'd honestly wait until next season to see what he's got.

I hope The Bulls don't have to wait a year for him to be productive. That means the trade was a big failure.

He talks a bit about his health in the article I posted in my previous post. Here's a quote:

As far as his health, Porter said the early-season minutes restrictions are more about the organization being conservative. He maintained that he’s always had hip issues, “because the way my body is, tight hips, long and lanky. I deal with that on a daily basis. That’s nothing new.

“But for me it’s early, getting my legs up under me. My hip is fine.’’

[KingDavid]

Isn't he still recovering from abdominal injury/surgery? That's going to take a long time to completely heal from. His core is probably weak af and is throwing off his game. I'd honestly wait until next season to see what he's got.

I hope The Bulls don't have to wait a year for him to be productive. That means the trade was a big failure.

He talks a bit about his health in the article I posted in my previous post. Here's a quote:

As far as his health, Porter said the early-season minutes restrictions are more about the organization being conservative. He maintained that he’s always had hip issues, “because the way my body is, tight hips, long and lanky. I deal with that on a daily basis. That’s nothing new.

“But for me it’s early, getting my legs up under me. My hip is fine.’’

I was talking about Reddish. I didn't know about opj being hurt, but I'd apply the same length of time for him as well. That tight hips quote is worrisome. That's not ideal for an athlete, long term.