Tuesday game thread discussion

[BullyKing]

I like Phoenix as suitors, something around Rubio + Oubre + '20 FRP (top 5 protected)

LOL, if Simmons was on the Magic you'd be demanding Booker, multiple 1sts and mining rights to the Grand Canyon.

[Jamaaliver]

I still think they should keep Ben and play him at power forward. Trade Horford or someone else for an actual dynamic point guard who can shoot and score off the dribble. Voila, problem solved.

This has to be the ideal scenario. But it still leaves them with two inside players who clog the lane on offense.

Horford for Lowry
Horford and J Richards for CJ McCollum

do sound enticing.

[BullyKing]

Simmons is a still an elite talent but he hasn't turned the corner to being an elite player... dude should be a walking triple double with a consistent 22/10/10.

Philly IMO built the team poorly this summer. I've been saying it but to make up for Simmons flaws, getting a trigger happy guard who can score, create, and initiate would have been ideal instead of Horford. Should have signed (or attempted to sign) D'lo and then moved Simmons to the 4. Embiid/Simmons/Harris/Richardson/Russell with a veteran bench to me would do more damage as long as D'lo kept up his level up play. Simmons is going to be the fall boy come playoffs.

That said, don't know how you trade him or for who.

Horford is a lot more impactful than D’Lo would be. It’s not like D’lo would be the go to scoring option over Embiid, or even Tobias, and our defense would suffer as a result. People act like perimeter shooting is our Achilles heal but we’re tied for 5th in 3pt%.

Ben’s shooting passivity is frustrating but there’s so much more to like. There’s no way we’re trading him.

Any idea why they didn't make a more aggressive run at Kemba? I'd like Kemba > Horford for them personally.

I think it was because, as your team so thoroughly exposed, a player who can man the middle and not have the world collapse the second Embiid takes a seat was a HUGE need. I think they viewed Horford as killing two birds with one stone. Reasonable minds can differ on whether that was right but that was the thought process at least.

[tcheco]

I feel like this point is as valid as people who said: OKC can't win with Harden, Westbrook and KD, they all need the ball to be effective

Stop using your feelings and start using your head because you’re talking a lot of crap rn

Says the guy who believes the process failed and Simmons/Embiid are garbage

Believes is the wrong word. I know you don’t believe that.

He's just a little kid who wants to vent a little, at least I hope so, hope there isn't a lot of grown ups this insecure about a basketball team.

Watched him in other threads, he sounds desperate, HE NEEDS PHILLIE TO FAIL.

Funny things the internet brings to our days

[GeorgeMarcus]

Simmons is a still an elite talent but he hasn't turned the corner to being an elite player... dude should be a walking triple double with a consistent 22/10/10.

Philly IMO built the team poorly this summer. I've been saying it but to make up for Simmons flaws, getting a trigger happy guard who can score, create, and initiate would have been ideal instead of Horford. Should have signed (or attempted to sign) D'lo and then moved Simmons to the 4. Embiid/Simmons/Harris/Richardson/Russell with a veteran bench to me would do more damage as long as D'lo kept up his level up play. Simmons is going to be the fall boy come playoffs.

That said, don't know how you trade him or for who.

Horford is a lot more impactful than D’Lo would be. It’s not like D’lo would be the go to scoring option over Embiid, or even Tobias, and our defense would suffer as a result. People act like perimeter shooting is our Achilles heal but we’re tied for 5th in 3pt%.

Ben’s shooting passivity is frustrating but there’s so much more to like. There’s no way we’re trading him.

Any idea why they didn't make a more aggressive run at Kemba? I'd like Kemba > Horford for them personally.

I could be wrong, but I’m not sure maxing Kemba was possible for us with the Ben extension/Tobias max. I also think Kemba was drawn to Boston after playing for UConn.

[lakers2020]

Simmons still has a lowish salary this year, so aren't a lot of these trades not possible till next year when he goes from 8m to 30m a year?

How about Devonte Graham and filler?

[BullyKing]

How about Devonte Graham and filler?

How about I change my pants now that I've finished pissing myself from laughing

[NBAFan93]

as a sixers fan.. jrue holiday and NAW for simmons cant happen soon enough

jrue plays all the D simmons does, and is 10x the player in the halfcourt that simmons is. NAW gives us a good young player moving forward

I'd do this deal in a **** second.. too bad it cant be done until next year

I'm sick of simmons and his passive, refuse to improve play style

That’s who I think would be best to replace him. Jrue Holiday. Be cool if they could turn Simmons into Jrue and get Reddick back at the same time. Pick and/or a cheap young player too.

[NBAFan93]

Simmons still has a lowish salary this year, so aren't a lot of these trades not possible till next year when he goes from 8m to 30m a year?

How about Devonte Graham and filler?

Oh - crap. I was thinking his new salary was already in effect - yeah, that’s gonna he really hard to get a good vet in return.

[Magic_Johnny12]

I like Phoenix as suitors, something around Rubio + Oubre + '20 FRP (top 5 protected)

LOL, if Simmons was on the Magic you'd be demanding Booker, multiple 1sts and mining rights to the Grand Canyon.

Right, but he's not which is why I proposed a decent stop gap PG, middling young prospect and potential lottery pick.

No need to get sensitive bud, it's not a good look. Luckily, for you guys Elton Brand knows what he's doing. It's not like he'll trade a former #1 pick PG for scraps....

[bisme37]

I still think they should keep Ben and play him at power forward. Trade Horford or someone else for an actual dynamic point guard who can shoot and score off the dribble. Voila, problem solved.

This has to be the ideal scenario. But it still leaves them with two inside players who clog the lane on offense.

Horford for Lowry
Horford and J Richards for CJ McCollum

do sound enticing.

I think it would work fine cuz Joel is on the perimeter or on the block as much as he's in the lane. Let Ben use his playmaking skills out of the post area and get some easy shots at the rim. Get an actual point guard to be the point guard.

[Vsauce12]

I feel like this point is as valid as people who said: OKC can't win with Harden, Westbrook and KD, they all need the ball to be effective

Stop using your feelings and start using your head because you’re talking a lot of crap rn

Says the guy who believes the process failed and Simmons/Embiid are garbage

Believes is the wrong word. I know you don’t believe that.

The process very much as failed and they won’t amount to ****, it’s an extremely safe bet. You can quote me on that. The closest they’ve ever gotten to anything was off the back of Jimmy butler, who was by far the beat player in the playoffs, especially the raps series.
And don’t quote embiids inflated on/off numbers “Yh he shot like sht from the field and rebounded like he was a guard but look at this graph”

[Jamaaliver]

Let Ben use his playmaking skills out of the post area and get some easy shots at the rim. Get an actual point guard to be the point guard.

This is why I want Ben Simmons so badly on my Hawks. He'd be dominant as a point forward beside a deep shooting PG...as the screener in a Pick-and-Roll instead of the ball handler.

[GeorgeMarcus]

Stop using your feelings and start using your head because you’re talking a lot of crap rn

Says the guy who believes the process failed and Simmons/Embiid are garbage

Believes is the wrong word. I know you don’t believe that.

The process very much as failed and they won’t amount to ****, it’s an extremely safe bet. You can quote me on that. The closest they’ve ever gotten to anything was off the back of Jimmy butler, who was by far the beat player in the playoffs, especially the raps series.
And don’t quote embiids inflated on/off numbers “Yh he shot like sht from the field and rebounded like he was a guard but look at this graph”

When I quote you on it, you won't be around to answer the call. I've seen your kind before.

[Johnny Bball]

Lol what makes sense is the Raptors. Lowry+. Lowry gives them a true point guard. Raptors play 5 out and can afford to put Simmons in the post.

But... these teams never trade with each other.

[Hroz]

In the offseason I was saying the Sixers should trade Ben, Harris & filler for Holiday & Davis

Obviously i wouldn't do Ben for Holiday.
I honestly don't think there is a good trade for Ben.

Russell is intriguing(I guess) but i'd want more than just Russell.

Ben's equivalents are either too old or young and their matchups team are excited about having them.

[stormi]

Simmons game imprint on a game staggers well beyond a boxscore. His defensive impact is elite, he can guard 1-4 proficiently. He can be stuck on Kemba's, Kyrie's, Young's, Doncic's, Lebron's etc and do about as well as you could. He can finish well around the rim (when he's not trying to be flashy), is extremely athletic and a great passer. Maybe the switch will never flip for him, but if it does you're looking at a clear top 12ish player in the league and a franchise forward and I think that potential alone is worth more than the chance to swap it for a Kyle Lowry and watch him dominate the Sixers for the next decade.

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[ConSarnit]

Hey Sixers fans, stop bringing up “losing to the champs on a last second shot”. Jimmy Butler, the guy you gave the ball to every 4th quarter of that series is gone. When the games get tight in the playoffs who on you’re team do you trust in the last 5 minutes? I’ve seen games this year where you’ve had Josh Richardson trying to close things out. If you think you can win a title in that way then good luck, I guess.

Sixers fans need to admit they have a real issue that is likely to rear it’s head significantly come playoff time.

[76ersForLife]

as a sixers fan.. jrue holiday and NAW for simmons cant happen soon enough

jrue plays all the D simmons does, and is 10x the player in the halfcourt that simmons is. NAW gives us a good young player moving forward

I'd do this deal in a **** second.. too bad it cant be done until next year

I'm sick of simmons and his passive, refuse to improve play style

Jrue is a better half court offensive player but his defense isnt on the same planet as Simmons. Also he is way older than Ben.

[dhsilv2]

Sixers are 19-7 and have won 12 of their last 14. They and just handed Boston their first home loss of the year, something that Toronto, Milwaukee, Dallas, Miami and Denver all failed to do. Yet here we are talking about Ben Simmons and Embiid not being able to play with each other? Really?

They are 12-2 in their last 14 in large part because Harris has found his shot and is scoring more efficiently. The reason why people are talking about Simmons and Embiid not being able to play together is because you rarely see them play off one another, or have big statistical nights in the same game. In that 14 game stretch Simmons is now down to 13.4ppg, that is unacceptable for a former number 1 pick and soon to be max player. The defense is nice, but they didn't draft him to be Draymond Green, and realistically if they're playing a series and he has games like last night the Sixers will be in trouble. If the goal is to win a title, he has to be more assertive and aggressive on offense, the coach challenged him and since then he's actually gotten more passive.

If he turns into a Draymond Green...who's athletic and will have a longer career. Hell that's well worth a max contract and WELL worth a number 1 pick, even if of course you don't dream of a Draymond Green with a first pick...but if you get "stuck" with a long career draymond green...you'd gladly take that.