MJ VS LEBRON VS WHOEVER THREAD

[freethedevil]

After first 3 games of 1991, never lost 3 in a row for 626 games. I'd say that's pretty good impact on winning.

I'd google "impact" if I were you. I dont think it means what you think it does. At the very least, not in the context I'm using it.

[Dino353]

Jordan was overrated, the no hand check rule came in the early 90’s. You couldn’t touch Jordan, you go back and watch some of those series agains the Knicks and Suns and it was comical how this guy was defended. Not to mention there was no zone in the 90’s meaning Jordan was able to go one on one against dwarfs while Kobe and LeBron came up being defended in zone defenses which allow double teams on the perimeter.

These Jordan loons will never admit it but the 90’s Era was like a cup of vodka filled with a ton of water. The product was diluted, 5-6 new teams added to the league just to fill out rosters with garbage players. The Bulls just kept on adding more and more pieces, David Stern made it be known in the 90’s that Jordan could not lose. The man would literally tell refs to not talk back to him and talk to them as if they were his child, he was a complete joke.

Watch on YouTube

Watch it. They got clips from 93 finals

Still competed against scrubs.

[The_Hater]

6 from 6 in the Finals. Not a difficult concept to comprehend.

The concept is easy to figure out, it’s the logic behind it that’s completely backwards.

[GAthens34]

lebron has been the best player in the finals 7 times now, jordan only made the finals 6 times playing inferior teams. lebron may also end up with 40k/10k/10k which is insane. lebron is the clear-cut goat and it's not even close.

In case you don't remember the strong conference in the '90s was the East.
The last time the East was stronger than the West actually.
Don't speak about weak opponents please. 2018 Cavs is one of the worst teams that has ever made the Finals. This shows how great LeBron was in that playoff run but it also shows how weak the competition was. And i'm a Celtics fan who faced him in the ECF. Very proud of my team considering we went there with rook Tatum, sopho Brown and the one season wonder Terry Rozier.
But it shows also how weak the conference was. Enough with the false accusations.

As for the numbers, well yes? He's on his 17th season and counting?

[Pythagoras]

You can assume what you wish. At least I addressed someone specifcally, you just extrapolated a baseless conclusion about a massive portion of people from a handful of posts/users, a decent portion of which may or may not be serious.

And you jumped to a baseless assumption about me based off a single statement I made about Lebron stans.

Why exactly would lebron stans be inherently predisposed towards insecurity than like, any fanbase ever?

I don’t know, perhaps you should ask them, in any one of the: Jordan-bashing, Kobe-bashing, Durant-bashing threads that are constantly popping up that are filled with Lebron fans.

For the record I'm a Giannis-stan. And I'll be delighted when he sweeps the **** out of Lebron in the finals(assuming siakim or embid don't save lebum's skin)

This is good then. In a few years when people start asking whether or not Giannis has surpassed Lebron you’ll get to experience the fun. I’ll be curious to see how you feel about Lebron fans then.

[r0drig0lac]

You’re right. Kareem and Russell are better than Lebron

/thread

[Saint Lazarus]

You’re right. Kareem and Russell are better than Lebron

and Jordan, assuming you think things consistently.

I might get **** for this but Russell, Kareem, Jordan, and Lebron are tied for GOAT in my mind. All 4 are on the mount Rushmore for different reasons

[RB34]

So you’re telling me LeBron goes even further down the list?

[J-Wolves]

Michael Jordan is a selfish prick. Us lowly basketball fans in the 90s didnt get to play as MJ in NBA Jam because he wanted too much money to be in the game. Good to see they made an arcade machine for Jordan, Gary Payton and Ken Griffey Jr though. Gary Payton still has 3 arcades of NBA Jam with Jordan in it.

I believe it was his brand that prevented him from getting his likeness in the game at that time. Not that he demanded money for it.

Mark_Turmell NBA Jam creator.
NBA Jam was made and tested in Chicago. Jordan was in all those early games, and weeks before we were to ship nationwide he pulled out of all NBA licensed products due to his Nike deal.

But then... After the game became a hit, Gary Payton & Ken Griffey reached out through their agents to get a custom game with themselves included, and said MJ wanted to be included as well. So we made special eproms and gave them to the 3.
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7 years ago
Jordan left the NBAPA back in the 90's. He claimed at the time that he didn't like how the NBA was featuring him almost exclusively in its promotional commercials. He felt it was diluting his value as a spokesperson.
Video game companies could not feature Jordan without negotiating a separate deal with him. And naturally, MJ wanted a lot of money. Still does. That's why you still don't see Jordan in any of the promotional commercials the NBA makes. They put out stuff that talks about the greats in the game, Magic and Bird and Kareem and whatever. Jordan isn't shown because they'd have to pay him extra, and he doesn't come cheap.

[J-Wolves]

Michael Jordan is a selfish prick. Us lowly basketball fans in the 90s didnt get to play as MJ in NBA Jam because he wanted too much money to be in the game. Good to see they made an arcade machine for Jordan, Gary Payton and Ken Griffey Jr though. Gary Payton still has 3 arcades of NBA Jam with Jordan in it.

I believe it was his brand that prevented him from getting his likeness in the game at that time. Not that he demanded money for it.

Mark_Turmell NBA Jam creator.
NBA Jam was made and tested in Chicago. Jordan was in all those early games, and weeks before we were to ship nationwide he pulled out of all NBA licensed products due to his Nike deal.

But then... After the game became a hit, Gary Payton & Ken Griffey reached out through their agents to get a custom game with themselves included, and said MJ wanted to be included as well. So we made special eproms and gave them to the 3.
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7 years ago
Jordan left the NBAPA back in the 90's. He claimed at the time that he didn't like how the NBA was featuring him almost exclusively in its promotional commercials. He felt it was diluting his value as a spokesperson.
Video game companies could not feature Jordan without negotiating a separate deal with him. And naturally, MJ wanted a lot of money. Still does. That's why you still don't see Jordan in any of the promotional commercials the NBA makes. They put out stuff that talks about the greats in the game, Magic and Bird and Kareem and whatever. Jordan isn't shown because they'd have to pay him extra, and he doesn't come cheap.

Watch on YouTube

[OdomFan]

Did you mispell Russell?

Jordan's bulls coasted to contention without him, Russell's celtics were average in his absence.

Do you have like, any concept of history?

Err do you have like, any concept of history? There were 6 teams in the playoffs when he played. **** there were about 2 more in the NBA at the start of the 60s. What the **** is coasting to contention? Losing in the second round to the Knicks, how we say things matters it turns out.

Yeah, playing against expansion teams like 1993 Miami Heat made Bulls much harder to win title...

You mean 1992, but anyway that's a silly thing to hold against the Bulls. Miami came into the league and became a winning franchise later on. By 1997 they were right there at number 2 in the Eastern Conference. Making to the Conference Finals against Chicago with a better roster but still lost. Plus if not for Miamis beginning Lebron wouldn't have been able to jump to that South Beach team to join Wade and Bosh years later. Every NBA franchise started some where.

The Detroit Pistons franchise didn't have any championships for over 50 years before the Bad Boys came along and changed that in the late 80s.

[VeggieBurger]

Everyone, I've gone ahead and figured this out. First, the hard part: I've taken the cosine of the hypothetical variable of 6 and multiplied that by the transitive inference of 15.04 - which is the representation of a negative swing over the congruence of a +/- vertical. Then, I took into account scheduling, injury, teammate variance, era, genetics, skillset, and a 2 plus tangent emphasized over a googol of instances. Woowee! Well, it wasn't easy, but here are the results of the computations:

Any mf that thinks LeBron is better than Jordan has lost their mind.

Wow. That's DIRECT from the computer folks. Don't see how we can argue much with that type of CONCRETE evidence.

[OdomFan]

I believe it was his brand that prevented him from getting his likeness in the game at that time. Not that he demanded money for it.

Mark_Turmell NBA Jam creator.
NBA Jam was made and tested in Chicago. Jordan was in all those early games, and weeks before we were to ship nationwide he pulled out of all NBA licensed products due to his Nike deal.

But then... After the game became a hit, Gary Payton & Ken Griffey reached out through their agents to get a custom game with themselves included, and said MJ wanted to be included as well. So we made special eproms and gave them to the 3.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
7 years ago
Jordan left the NBAPA back in the 90's. He claimed at the time that he didn't like how the NBA was featuring him almost exclusively in its promotional commercials. He felt it was diluting his value as a spokesperson.
Video game companies could not feature Jordan without negotiating a separate deal with him. And naturally, MJ wanted a lot of money. Still does. That's why you still don't see Jordan in any of the promotional commercials the NBA makes. They put out stuff that talks about the greats in the game, Magic and Bird and Kareem and whatever. Jordan isn't shown because they'd have to pay him extra, and he doesn't come cheap.

Watch on YouTube

Ah well it is what it is. Sure it sucks for a fans point of view. I grew up in the 90s myself and would have loved to have gotten to play as him in all of those games, but on MJ's side of things he earned his way into Professional Basketball as a career, so that was his responsibility to get as much money out of it as possible for he and his family. Didn't Barkley have a similar situation during that time? He wasn't in many games either, had his own game called "Shut Up and Jam".

[100proof]

Jordan was overrated, the no hand check rule came in the early 90’s. You couldn’t touch Jordan, you go back and watch some of those series agains the Knicks and Suns and it was comical how this guy was defended. Not to mention there was no zone in the 90’s meaning Jordan was able to go one on one against dwarfs while Kobe and LeBron came up being defended in zone defenses which allow double teams on the perimeter.

These Jordan loons will never admit it but the 90’s Era was like a cup of vodka filled with a ton of water. The product was diluted, 5-6 new teams added to the league just to fill out rosters with garbage players. The Bulls just kept on adding more and more pieces, David Stern made it be known in the 90’s that Jordan could not lose. The man would literally tell refs to not talk back to him and talk to them as if they were his child, he was a complete joke.

Watch on YouTube

Watch it. They got clips from 93 finals

Nice find.

[Side beard]

WTF

Jordan had TWO 3 peats

If he didn’t retire for baseball he most likely would have won 8 straight.

If he didn't retire for baseball he most likely would have 4 at best.

[GAthens34]

WTF

Jordan had TWO 3 peats

If he didn’t retire for baseball he most likely would have won 8 straight.

If he didn't retire for baseball he most likely would have 4 at best.

?

[70sFan]

Err do you have like, any concept of history? There were 6 teams in the playoffs when he played. **** there were about 2 more in the NBA at the start of the 60s. What the **** is coasting to contention? Losing in the second round to the Knicks, how we say things matters it turns out.

Yeah, playing against expansion teams like 1993 Miami Heat made Bulls much harder to win title...

You mean 1992, but anyway that's a silly thing to hold against the Bulls. Miami came into the league and became a winning franchise later on. By 1997 they were right there at number 2 in the Eastern Conference. Making to the Conference Finals against Chicago with a better roster but still lost. Plus if not for Miamis beginning Lebron wouldn't have been able to jump to that South Beach team to join Wade and Bosh years later. Every NBA franchise started some where.

The Detroit Pistons franchise didn't have any championships for over 50 years before the Bad Boys came along and changed that in the late 80s.

It's not a criticsim of Bulls, my point is that facing bad teams in first round doesn't change much. Russell played in 3 rounds system and he won 3 titles. Isn't this enough proof of his greatness? I mean, Magic and Bird also played "only" three rounds in 1980s.

[Side beard]

WTF

Jordan had TWO 3 peats

If he didn’t retire for baseball he most likely would have won 8 straight.

If he didn't retire for baseball he most likely would have 4 at best.

?

See how ridiculous "would have won 8 straight" sounds.

[dk1115]

Steve Kerr has 5 championships as a player. He is a GOAT. Never mind. Robert Horry has 7.


Has it ever occurred to you that there are 11, 12 other players that you play with?

[TheNG]

Russell is my #1 in the GOAT rankings, for a variety of reasons. The big one that's perhaps least discussed is how radically he changed the game. Leaving your feet to defend was thought of as wrong, and he defied conventional wisdom (including his own coach).

I'm also impressed that he was such a strong activist for civil rights while also almost completely shrugging off the racism when it was time to be a basketball teammate. Few other guys came close to that to my knowledge. Russell's teammates found him somewhat hard to deal with given all his anger -- but not so hard that it was a detriment to depending on him and winning with him.

Lebron is also an activist for civil rights, just not when it comes to free speech of American people. In that case, it depends on money and interest.