Ant-Man is it

[Sofia]

Surely I'm not the only one who saw the thread and thought "Who the **** is Ant Man?"

Paul Rudd

I hate it

[ayyayyron]

Ant-Man ain't it yet. He'll get there.

[Leslie Forman]

Guys that are as inefficient as he was in college rarely turn into efficient NBA players.

True, but most of those guys also aren't anywhere nearly as talented as him. There's a reason most of them don't even make the league in the first place.

Kawhi Leonard, Michael Redd, Donovan Mitchell, Jaylen Brown all had poor efficiency in college but improved under NBA training. It's all dependent on things we're not going to know for years. Hell, he doesn't even know yet.

[Dacost]

He is part of the worst bench unit in NBA that also doesn't help.

[karkinos]

Guys that are as inefficient as he was in college rarely turn into efficient NBA players.

True, but most of those guys also aren't anywhere nearly as talented as him. There's a reason most of them don't even make the league in the first place.

Kawhi Leonard, Michael Redd, Donovan Mitchell, Jaylen Brown all had poor efficiency in college but improved under NBA training. It's all dependent on things we're not going to know for years. Hell, he doesn't even know yet.

lol wut
have you actually looked at kawhi's stats?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kawhi-leonard-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/anthony-edwards-2.html

[giannis and 1]

I never thought this guy was that good. Wiseman, Haliburton, Melo are on a completely different level than him. He will end up being a starter, but there will probably be at least 10 players from this draft that will be better than him.

[Leslie Forman]

Guys that are as inefficient as he was in college rarely turn into efficient NBA players.

True, but most of those guys also aren't anywhere nearly as talented as him. There's a reason most of them don't even make the league in the first place.

Kawhi Leonard, Michael Redd, Donovan Mitchell, Jaylen Brown all had poor efficiency in college but improved under NBA training. It's all dependent on things we're not going to know for years. Hell, he doesn't even know yet.

lol wut
have you actually looked at kawhi's stats?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kawhi-leonard-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/anthony-edwards-2.html

Uhhhh have you?

[FNQ]

I never thought this guy was that good. Wiseman, Haliburton, Melo are on a completely different level than him. He will end up being a starter, but there will probably be at least 10 players from this draft that will be better than him.

I'd add Williams to that list too.. because I dont think Edwards can add efficiency and all he's gonna do is score

[KodiakBear]

He had horrible efficiency in college and has horrible efficiency in NBA. IF you can't even perform better against inferior competition, you're just unable to score efficiently at the next level. Was a bust from the start.

The biggest warning sign with Edwards to me was that his teams in High School did awful. If the #1 pick can't carry a team against high schoolers, thats scary. And he his body was pretty filled out back then too.

And Georgia was pretty bad last year. I like to see guys who can elevate teams.

[TinmanZBoy]

it is not a good way to develop your young players by spoon feeding them with shots after shots, no matter how bad he is playing in almost every aspect of the game...

[Shock Defeat]

if you are drafted by minnesota you are screwed. Wiggins, Flynn, Culver, Derrick Williams, the list goes on.

[karkinos]

True, but most of those guys also aren't anywhere nearly as talented as him. There's a reason most of them don't even make the league in the first place.

Kawhi Leonard, Michael Redd, Donovan Mitchell, Jaylen Brown all had poor efficiency in college but improved under NBA training. It's all dependent on things we're not going to know for years. Hell, he doesn't even know yet.

lol wut
have you actually looked at kawhi's stats?

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kawhi-leonard-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/anthony-edwards-2.html

Uhhhh have you?

cool try zooming out
or looking at his PER or WS/40
advanced metrics all pegged kawhi as elite and efficient.
but i guess if you wanna define efficient as TS alone you win? but that's a poor definition of efficiency imo when there are much better metrics to analyze and define someone's "efficiency"

[Warriors Analyst]

Organizations that find themselves in the lotto over and over again are bottom dwellers for a reason. Bad ownership and bad management decisions seem to be a common denominator. Often times these bad teams have coached who are coaching for their life trying to integrate a high lotto pick because ownership now believes they should be a good team with their shiny new lotto pick. Sometimes these high lotto picks get too much freedom and create bad habits that are hard to break.

In any case, the point I want to make is that teams with bad ownership/management like Minnesota are more apt to mess up the potential of someone like Edwards, Wiggins, Wes Johnson, or Derick Williams, or any of the other lotto picks they’ve picked up in the last 15 years. I think most of those guys’ potential was very overstated, but there was no denying that they all had/have supreme athletic gifts. Did they have the most skill and understanding of the game? No. And that’s the problem. A physically gifted player who needs to learn how to play probably won’t do so in a bad organization. But in a stable organization where the coaching staff and management are on the same page and can slowly guide a player along — say somewhere like Boston where Jaylen Brown has developed into a really good player despite not being all that skilled when he came into the league — they stand a better chance of meeting their potential.

It’s still too early to be completely out on Edwards, but between his relatively low BBIQ and the Wolves’ general incompetence, it’s perfectly reasonable to imagine him busting.

I think that bad franchises with lots of turnover really would benefit from picking guys who know how to play in the lottery rather than hinging their future on their ability to teach an unskilled athlete how to play the right way. This is to say, I’d be more optimistic about Ball’s ability to survive and succeed in Minnesota than Edwards. I also understand why they looked into trading down. Someone like Halliburton is another example of someone who is talented enough and knows the game well enough to be able to survive playing for a bad organization.

[matt6715]

Building around Anthony Edwards and Deangelo Russell is a really productive way to completely waste the career of KAT.

[The411]

4th to last in PER (6.7) +0.2 NC
3rd to last in TS (43.6%) +0.2 +1 spot
Last in WS/48 (-0.102) +0.03 NC
Last in BPM (-9.4) +0.1 NC
Last in VORP (-0.7) NC NC

Added:
2nd to last in FG% (34.4%)
4th to last in 3pt FG% (27.4%)
6th to last in 2pt FG% (39.2%)
Last in eFG% (40.0%)

[Quentin]

I've been very impressed with his driving to the hoop ability. Has complete body control just needs to learn how to get it IN the hoop and/or draw a foul. If he can hit that 3 at a better clip, look out.

[_AIJ_]

if you are drafted by minnesota you are screwed. Wiggins, Flynn, Culver, Derrick Williams, the list goes on.

okay smart guy. Wiggins wasnt drafter by Minnesota. fail

[dc]

I've been very impressed with his driving to the hoop ability. Has complete body control just needs to learn how to get it IN the hoop and/or draw a foul. If he can hit that 3 at a better clip, look out.

Actually he's hitting the 3 at a very good clip right now, but that probably isn't gonna last.

It's not so important that he gets these 30 point games on a night where he has something to prove vs. his old team. It's more important he keeps getting the 16-17 ppg with excellent defensive effort.

[Big J]

if you are drafted by minnesota you are screwed. Wiggins, Flynn, Culver, Derrick Williams, the list goes on.

okay smart guy. Wiggins wasnt drafter by Minnesota. fail

That's probably why he's killing it now.

[1bigfan13]

Give him time. All 19-year-olds aren't built the same. Everybody can't come into the league and immediately play well at that age.

That said, once the NBA gets rid of its age restriction rule, things are going to get even harder for these teams to identify top talent. Once NBA teams are limited to nothing but high school & AAU games to evaluate players, I think we're going to see a lot more Anthony Bennett level busts in the top 5.