Mark Cuban finally being exposed as the awful owner he is

[XTraderXL]

He already is calling all the shots. Are you under the influence my dude?

Granted you are a Trump nut, so that may explain it.

You arent making any sense. I think you might be the one under the influence.

Please proof read your posts. That is all.

Okay, as long as Cuban is calling all the shots. You know very well what I was getting at.

[SSUBluesman]

Is the sheen finally off this snake oil selling charlatan?

The man only became rich off of essentially a scam he sold to the morons at Yahoo that was maybe the worst corporate purchase ever. Every other company he's created is pretty much worthless in comparison. The guy literally had Ring right in front of him available for next to nothing and this supposed tech genius had less vision than SHAQ for it.

He talks about all his fancy data forward thinking just for him to do dumb crap like dump Steve Nash so he can give Erick Dampier a ton of money, and stopping his own front office from taking Giannis because he just loves signing crappy overpriced centers so much.

It turned out he had a horribly misogynist, toxic organization full of sexual harrassment the entire time he was there, but this control freak supposedly "had no prior knowledge" of it.

And now he's apparently just going full Jerry Jones with a degenerate gambler as his right hand man (as far as we know).

So we've got lots of front office meddling, an office full of sexual harassment, horrible contracts handed out like candy to B/C-list fake "stars," and now a highly respected coach quitting with multiple years left on his contract, which I can't remember ever happening in recent memory except for non-basketball reasons (Rudy T).

Is this guy just Dolan but with Luka instead of a crappy blues band?

This is par for the course for the SV/startup realm. So much of their "success" is being in the right place at the right time but they love the smell of their own farts too much to admit it. Being a snake oil salesman is essential when you need to "fake it till you make it".

Often there is an incredible disinterest if not hostility to the fallout of their actions in regards to society and individuals. They either care more about the tool they're building or they dislike society/individuals. Many are on the spectrum/completely reason driven (i.e. Libertarian). This is how social media was able to finish the transformation of America into a right wing dystopia. They either wanted it (Zuck, Thiel) or didn't care enough to act (Dorsey).

This Harpers article from 2015 talks about this: https://harpers.org/archive/2015/01/come-with-us-if-you-want-to-live/

[Jonny Blaze]

Is the sheen finally off this snake oil selling charlatan?

The man only became rich off of essentially a scam he sold to the morons at Yahoo that was maybe the worst corporate purchase ever. Every other company he's created is pretty much worthless in comparison. The guy literally had Ring right in front of him available for next to nothing and this supposed tech genius had less vision than SHAQ for it.

He talks about all his fancy data forward thinking just for him to do dumb crap like dump Steve Nash so he can give Erick Dampier a ton of money, and stopping his own front office from taking Giannis because he just loves signing crappy overpriced centers so much.

It turned out he had a horribly misogynist, toxic organization full of sexual harrassment the entire time he was there, but this control freak supposedly "had no prior knowledge" of it.

And now he's apparently just going full Jerry Jones with a degenerate gambler as his right hand man (as far as we know).

So we've got lots of front office meddling, an office full of sexual harassment, horrible contracts handed out like candy to B/C-list fake "stars," and now a highly respected coach quitting with multiple years left on his contract, which I can't remember ever happening in recent memory except for non-basketball reasons (Rudy T).

Is this guy just Dolan but with Luka instead of a crappy blues band?

I remember when the Mavs were owned by Ross Perot JR and that guy didn't give a rats ass if the Mavs won or lost.

I'll take Mark Cuban any day of the week as the owner of my favorite team.

[Froob]

False start: This thread is one year too early .

school your clones.

Mama there goes that man

[Jonny Blaze]

Finally? He has been awful since the day he let Nash leave.

How many Finals did Steve Nash ever make?

Did Nash ever win a title?

Mark Cuban and the Mavs went to 2 NBA Finals without Steve Nash, winning one of them.

The Mavs went 58-24
60-22
67-15

The three years after the let Steve Nash no playing defense ass walk out the door.

[Jonny Blaze]

remember when he let nash walk so he could pay erik dampier. lol @ cuban

I remember the mavs going 58-24, 60-22 and 67-15 the three seasons after they let Nash walk.

Erick Dampier made it to the Finals with the Mavs. Steve Nash never made the Finals.

[Jonny Blaze]

People really forget Mavs won a championship under his ownership? That's more success than most teams in the NBA. OP screams hater.

No excuse for the sexual harassment stuff though.

it seems unfair to give Cuban credit for Dirk’s carry job during the playoffs. that team had no business winning a title.

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Those are the mav's wins 2001-2011. When you're consistently that good, you'll have a shot at winning a title. Eventually you can "get lucky" but part of getting lucky is being in a place to get lucky year after year after year.

Thank You.

One three franchises have ever won 50 games for 10 straight season.

1. Showtime Lakers
2. TIm Duncan Spurs
3. Dirk Mavs from 2000-2011

All won NBA titles.
Mark Cuban haters on this thread are acting like the Mavs were some 40 win Eastern Conference team who stumbled into winning the 2011 title.....instead of a team that had the second most wins in the NBA (only behind San Antonio) since 2000.

[matt6715]

it seems unfair to give Cuban credit for Dirk’s carry job during the playoffs. that team had no business winning a title.

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Those are the mav's wins 2001-2011. When you're consistently that good, you'll have a shot at winning a title. Eventually you can "get lucky" but part of getting lucky is being in a place to get lucky year after year after year.

Thank You.

One three franchises have ever won 50 games for 10 straight season.

1. Showtime Lakers
2. TIm Duncan Spurs
3. Dirk Mavs from 2000-2011

All won NBA titles.
Mark Cuban haters on this thread are acting like the Mavs were some 40 win Eastern Conference team who stumbled into winning the 2011 title.....instead of a team that had the second most wins in the NBA (only behind San Antonio) since 2000.

And they should have had at least one more title (06) and potentially 03 when Dirk went down in the WCF.

That being said, Dirk carried this franchise throughout that 50-win run. The only thing Cuban did was have a willingness to spend above the cap/luxury tax during this timeframe.

[Jonny Blaze]

So…anybody wanna tell me more about how brilliant this guy is?

Let's see, he's a multi billionaire owner of an NBA team whilst you're most likely sitting on a minimum wage salary. Im pretty sure when in comparison to you, he's amazingly brilliant.

So your rebuttal is to compare Cuban to random Realgm poster? Good Defense. Why do Mavs fans get sensitive on the matter of Cuban? You're acting as if questioning the approach or vision of Cuban is sacrilegious. He deserves some criticism.

Because those of us that were Mavs fans before Mark Cuban remember the Mavs of the 1990's.

The 1990's Mavs were not only the worst franchise in the NBA...they were probably the worst franchise in pro sports.
The 1993 and 1994 Dallas Cowboys won more games than the Dallas Mavericks.

The old owner of the Mavs was Ross Perot JR, and he didn't care at all about the fans, or if the team won or loss. He only owned the Mavs as part of a real estate deal.

So...you take the good with the bad. The good has outweighed the bad.

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[seren]

Finally? He has been awful since the day he let Nash leave.

How many Finals did Steve Nash ever make?

Did Nash ever win a title?

Mark Cuban and the Mavs went to 2 NBA Finals without Steve Nash, winning one of them.

The Mavs went 58-24
60-22
67-15

The three years after the let Steve Nash no playing defense ass walk out the door.

Yet Cuban has been awful since the day he let Nash leave

[Jonny Blaze]

Finally? He has been awful since the day he let Nash leave.

How many Finals did Steve Nash ever make?

Did Nash ever win a title?

Mark Cuban and the Mavs went to 2 NBA Finals without Steve Nash, winning one of them.

The Mavs went 58-24
60-22
67-15

The three years after the let Steve Nash no playing defense ass walk out the door.

Yet Cuban has been awful since the day he let Nash leave

This was the Mavs Record in the 7 years after letting Steve Nash walk:
2004-05: 58-24
2005-06: 60-22
2006-07: 67-15
2007-08: 51-31
2008-09: 50-32
2009-10: 55-27
2010-11: 57-25*

*Denotes NBA Champion.


Yeah that NBA title sure did suck.

How many titles did Steve Nash win after the Mavs made the "monumental" mistake of letting him leave?

Mark Cuban's team won the Western Conference twice without Nash....while Nash never won the Western Conference.

[Jonny Blaze]

Finally? He has been awful since the day he let Nash leave.

How many Finals did Steve Nash ever make?

Did Nash ever win a title?

Mark Cuban and the Mavs went to 2 NBA Finals without Steve Nash, winning one of them.

The Mavs went 58-24
60-22
67-15

The three years after the let Steve Nash no playing defense ass walk out the door.

Yet Cuban has been awful since the day he let Nash leave

This was the Mavs Record in the 7 years after letting Steve Nash walk:
2004-05: 58-24
2005-06: 60-22
2006-07: 67-15
2007-08: 51-31
2008-09: 50-32
2009-10: 55-27
2010-11: 57-25*

Going back to my other point...The Mavs averaged 56 wins/year in the 7 seasons after they let Nash walk, won the Western Conference in 2006 and won the NBA title in 2011.

Here is my exercise for you is that I want you to name me all the other NBA franchises (since 2000) that averaged 56 wins per season over a 5-7 year stretch.

This list is very small....but Mark Cuban was such a garbage owner for letting no defense playing Steve Nash walk

I miss those days of being a Mavs fan, the last 10 years of mediocrity has been excruciating.
Steve Nash certainly shut Mark Cuban up with all those titles that he won for the Phoenix Suns.

[seren]

How many Finals did Steve Nash ever make?

Did Nash ever win a title?

Mark Cuban and the Mavs went to 2 NBA Finals without Steve Nash, winning one of them.

The Mavs went 58-24
60-22
67-15

The three years after the let Steve Nash no playing defense ass walk out the door.

Yet Cuban has been awful since the day he let Nash leave

This was the Mavs Record in the 7 years after letting Steve Nash walk:
2004-05: 58-24
2005-06: 60-22
2006-07: 67-15
2007-08: 51-31
2008-09: 50-32
2009-10: 55-27
2010-11: 57-25*

*Denotes NBA Champion.


Yeah that NBA title sure did suck.

How many titles did Steve Nash win after the Mavs made the "monumental" mistake of letting him leave?

Mark Cuban's team won the Western Conference twice without Nash....while Nash never won the Western Conference.

Yet Mark Cuban has been a horrible owner in all those years. Mavs won despite Cuban not because of Cuban. Any other owner would have had multiple rings with Dirk. Dude let Nash leave who ended up having two MVPs after Mavs' career. He paired Dirk's peak with dudes like Dampier, Lafrentz, Anthony frigging Walker. He refused to pay Tyson Chandler after championship who ended up winning defensive player of the year after leaving. He now paired Luka with the next Lafrentz dooming Luka's career as well.

Claiming Cuban to be a good owner is like claiming Dan Gilbert is a great owner. Gilbert had five NBA finals plus championship. Hence by your logic, he is one of the best owners in the entire league.

[Mogspan]

Mark I feel is a pseudo-down-to-Earth, wannabe frat boy d-bag - kind of like how he's depicted in Game of Zones. Not to be a Trump apologist, but I remember on Real Time with Bill Maher, he made a point to call Donald a misogynist and an incompetent businessperson who isn’t very hands-on. That may be true, but a few years later, that Mavericks scandal emerged. His defense of the rampant misogyny was basically that he didn’t know it was going on. So either he is a lying misogynist or an incompetent loudmouth who merely got lucky in business himself. Dude is full of **** lol. It was predictable that he would be the owner to announce the retirement of Kobe’s jersey in Dallas; it was basically an opportunity to make it about him. He loves attention. I respect that he's more philanthropic than he needs to be, though.

[Lalouie]

Cuban's biggest fault is his loyalty to certain players/coaches. It set the Mavs back a decade.

like jones

if i was luka i wouldn't sign squat

[reflex35]

It seems that Mark is getting old.

Firstly all these harassment issues a couple of years ago.. Now you hire a HC who was beating his wife.
And you do that not because he's a good coach but because he's your buddy and your boy and you feel nostalgic about a chip you won ages ago.

Mark brains probably are just not working properly because of his age. Never thought that he will make such a stupid decision.

[Dominator83]

Is the sheen finally off this snake oil selling charlatan?

The man only became rich off of essentially a scam he sold to the morons at Yahoo that was maybe the worst corporate purchase ever. Every other company he's created is pretty much worthless in comparison. The guy literally had Ring right in front of him available for next to nothing and this supposed tech genius had less vision than SHAQ for it.

Doesn't he or didn't he own AXStv?

[Jonny Blaze]

Yet Cuban has been awful since the day he let Nash leave

This was the Mavs Record in the 7 years after letting Steve Nash walk:
2004-05: 58-24
2005-06: 60-22
2006-07: 67-15
2007-08: 51-31
2008-09: 50-32
2009-10: 55-27
2010-11: 57-25*

*Denotes NBA Champion.


Yeah that NBA title sure did suck.

How many titles did Steve Nash win after the Mavs made the "monumental" mistake of letting him leave?

Mark Cuban's team won the Western Conference twice without Nash....while Nash never won the Western Conference.

Yet Mark Cuban has been a horrible owner in all those years. Mavs won despite Cuban not because of Cuban. Any other owner would have had multiple rings with Dirk. Dude let Nash leave who ended up having two MVPs after Mavs' career. He paired Dirk's peak with dudes like Dampier, Lafrentz, Anthony frigging Walker. He refused to pay Tyson Chandler after championship who ended up winning defensive player of the year after leaving. He now paired Luka with the next Lafrentz dooming Luka's career as well.

Claiming Cuban to be a good owner is like claiming Dan Gilbert is a great owner. Gilbert had five NBA finals plus championship. Hence by your logic, he is one of the best owners in the entire league.

This is the stupidest crap I've read on this board. The Mavs got (much) better after Nash left and they upgraded their defense and athleticism.

I noticed you did not answer my questions at all. What other NBA franchises have averaged 56 wins/year over a more than 5 year stretch?

How would Nash have multiple rings with the Mavs when nothing in his career has ever shown him capable of winning a title....much less making the Finals?

I respect Mark Cuban because I'm old enough to remember what the Mavs were before he owned the team.....and that was with an owner that did not care at all about the fans or winning.

Part of what made Cuban such a celebrity was that the Mavs went from being the worst franchise in Pro Sports to one of the elite NBA franchises winning 50 games in Cuban's first 11 full seasons culminating in the 2011 NBA title.

This thread is funny....the Mark Cuban haters are out in full force because the 21 Mavericks had such a horrible season as the 5th seed in the playoffs with one of the best young players in the entire NBA.

Reading this thread I would think the Mavs were a lottery team each season.

[Jonny Blaze]

It seems that Mark is getting old.

Firstly all these harassment issues a couple of years ago.. Now you hire a HC who was beating his wife.
And you do that not because he's a good coach but because he's your buddy and your boy and you feel nostalgic about a chip you won ages ago.

Mark brains probably are just not working properly because of his age. Never thought that he will make such a stupid decision.

I'm sure you could do much better.

[reflex35]

It seems that Mark is getting old.

Firstly all these harassment issues a couple of years ago.. Now you hire a HC who was beating his wife.
And you do that not because he's a good coach but because he's your buddy and your boy and you feel nostalgic about a chip you won ages ago.

Mark brains probably are just not working properly because of his age. Never thought that he will make such a stupid decision.

I'm sure you could do much better.

Are you sure?
As it seems that you are thinking that it takes a genius not to hire a wife beater?
Especially when only a couple of years back big smart boss was preaching to Rachels Nichols how he is going to change Mavs organisation for the better...