Cedric Ceballos in ICU with COVID

[HardenGoat]

Funny how we have controlled and essentially eliminated many deadly and disfiguring diseases by vaccinating children but now with a new and deadly virus we have adults refusing to protect themselves and others due to their rights. My parents didn’t give me a choice and Iam thankful they knew what was best for me.

[Neutral 123]

Funny how we have controlled and essentially eliminated many deadly and disfiguring diseases by vaccinating children but now with a new and deadly virus we have adults refusing to protect themselves and others due to their rights. My parents didn’t give me a choice and Iam thankful they knew what was best for me.

I'm all for your parents deciding now what's best for you. I'm not for third parties who pay no price for being wrong deciding for me. And my freedom can't be voted away because 'democracy'.

[13th Man]

Stuff like this is just sad. This guy is clearly fighting for his life and the vast majority of people just care about his vaccine status so they can see if they can use this as a pro or con for their side of the argument. I mean we even have people saying he should maybe lose his spot in the ICU based on his vaccine status.

The coldness of many people nowadays is eye opening. I hope he gets the best available care and gets healthy.

And just a heads up, I’m not looking to debate on this topic. So you can quote me but I’m not going to read it. Don’t really care about having a debate over someone who is currently fighting for his life.

Well said. The first thing that came to my mind is, "Get better soon Cedric!". I don't really give a rats ass to whether he was vaccinated or not.

[King4Day]

If he isn’t vaccinated, this might sound cruel but IMO he should automatically give up, or at least be at the end of the queue for the ICU.

You are putting everyone at risk, prolonging the pandemic, and now taking up a valuable spot in the hospital because you refuse to listen to the professional doctors and got your advice off social media or news outlet.

After talking to many people who won't get it for one reason or another, I now believe the masking and restrictions will last for years now. Barely half of America has been vaxxed and most aren't waiting for something to happen in order to get it (outside of the, now common, story of someone who refuses to get it, gets deathly ill, survives, and pushes people to get it now).

A friend of mine is a nurse in NC and her hospital is about full with covid patients. They called in nurses from another hospital to help with the overcrowding. Said one nurse left in tears. Every covid patient is unvaccinated. Every...single...one.

[Neutral 123]

If he isn’t vaccinated, this might sound cruel but IMO he should automatically give up, or at least be at the end of the queue for the ICU.

You are putting everyone at risk, prolonging the pandemic, and now taking up a valuable spot in the hospital because you refuse to listen to the professional doctors and got your advice off social media or news outlet.

After talking to many people who won't get it for one reason or another, I now believe the masking and restrictions will last for years now. Barely half of America has been vaxxed and most aren't waiting for something to happen in order to get it (outside of the, now common, story of someone who refuses to get it, gets deathly ill, survives, and pushes people to get it now).

A friend of mine is a nurse in NC and her hospital is about full with covid patients. They called in nurses from another hospital to help with the overcrowding. Said one nurse left in tears. Every covid patient is unvaccinated. Every...single...one.

I'm in Pandora too and I'm hearing the exact opposite.

[clyde21]

if the vax protects you against hospitalizations and severe covid symptoms shut up and mind your business. what anyone else does with their body isn't your problem at this point. you got nothing to worry about. move on with your life.

as far as I am concerned yall should be more worried about people stuffing their bodies with poison like alcohol or fast food than you are of a dude or woman who don't want to get a vaccine.

[ac1011990]

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html

SHHHHH... They aren't ready for that.

Lol hospitalization could literally mean a bit of oxygen and monitoring and your out. A Respiratory therapist on Reddit laid it out, there are 7 stages of COVID hospitalization and the vast majority of vaccinated patients get a few litres of oxygen, some monitoring, maybe some antibiotics and get released fairly quickly.

They also said that 87% of patients vaccinated and in hospital were over 60, they probably went more as a precaution, due to that age range having a higher number of other issues.

I’m guessing you dummies also didn’t read the whole 30 sec article lol

‘ and a growing body of research has shown those who are unvaccinated face far higher risks of severe illness or death from a COVID-19 infection”

[clyde21]

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/nearly-60-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-in-israel-fully-vaccinated-study-finds.html

SHHHHH... They aren't ready for that.

Lol hospitalization could literally mean a bit of oxygen and monitoring and your out. A Respiratory therapist on Reddit laid it out, there are 7 stages of COVID hospitalization and the vast majority of vaccinated patients get a few litres of oxygen, some monitoring, maybe some antibiotics and get released fairly quickly.

They also said that 87% of patients vaccinated and in hospital were over 60, they probably went more as a precaution, due to that age range having a higher number of other issues.

I’m guessing you dummies also didn’t read the whole 30 sec article lol

‘ and a growing body of research has shown those who are unvaccinated face far higher risks of severe illness or death from a COVID-19 infection”

does this work for the unvaccinated or nah?

[Sedale Threatt]

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[Swish1906]

If he isn’t vaccinated, this might sound cruel but IMO he should automatically give up, or at least be at the end of the queue for the ICU.

You are putting everyone at risk, prolonging the pandemic, and now taking up a valuable spot in the hospital because you refuse to listen to the professional doctors and got your advice off social media or news outlet.

After talking to many people who won't get it for one reason or another, I now believe the masking and restrictions will last for years now. Barely half of America has been vaxxed and most aren't waiting for something to happen in order to get it (outside of the, now common, story of someone who refuses to get it, gets deathly ill, survives, and pushes people to get it now).

A friend of mine is a nurse in NC and her hospital is about full with covid patients. They called in nurses from another hospital to help with the overcrowding. Said one nurse left in tears. Every covid patient is unvaccinated. Every...single...one.

I'm in Pandora too and I'm hearing the exact opposite.

The cool thing is, you dont need anymore "i know someone that..." when there is enough world wide data available. But of course it sucks when this data tells you something that you dont want to hear

[Apz]

In the end its easy to fix this. Just make vaccine mandatory. Execute the rest. Its a win-win, too many people on earth now anyway and it becomes the solution for the idiocracy future.

[Neutral 123]

After talking to many people who won't get it for one reason or another, I now believe the masking and restrictions will last for years now. Barely half of America has been vaxxed and most aren't waiting for something to happen in order to get it (outside of the, now common, story of someone who refuses to get it, gets deathly ill, survives, and pushes people to get it now).

A friend of mine is a nurse in NC and her hospital is about full with covid patients. They called in nurses from another hospital to help with the overcrowding. Said one nurse left in tears. Every covid patient is unvaccinated. Every...single...one.

I'm in Pandora too and I'm hearing the exact opposite.

The cool thing is, you dont need anymore "i know someone that..." when there is enough world wide data available. But of course it sucks when this data tells you something that you dont want to hear

Absolutely. Let's look at the data. I'm all for that. Let's look at Canada as an example. A country that should have reliable and accurate data.
https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html

[clyde21]

In the end its easy to fix this. Just make vaccine mandatory. Execute the rest. Its a win-win, too many people on earth now anyway and it becomes the solution for the idiocracy future.

the progression of the pro vax crowd going from pro medical apartheid to outright pro genocide has been fascinating to watch

[Neutral 123]

In the end its easy to fix this. Just make vaccine mandatory. Execute the rest. Its a win-win, too many people on earth now anyway and it becomes the solution for the idiocracy future.

It's happened before and not that long ago. Not really something to play around with.

[Neutral 123]

In the end its easy to fix this. Just make vaccine mandatory. Execute the rest. Its a win-win, too many people on earth now anyway and it becomes the solution for the idiocracy future.

the progression of the pro vax crowd going from pro medical apartheid to outright pro genocide has been fascinating to watch

I highly recommend you watch a historian on Youtube whose channel is called Tik. This is the natural progression of third party decision making.

[whitehops]

I'm not even pro or against the vaccine. I'm pro choice.

the problem with the pro-choice approach is that it has limitations.

how can the government ban someone CHOOSING to get drunk and CHOOSING to drive a car THEY OWN? the government has no business telling people what they can or can't put in their bodies and then drive their car. but quite obviously they do because it can affect many other people.

it's not a perfect analogy but it's similar - yes, car crashes happen even when people are sober but they are much more likely to happen when someone is intoxicated. because that affects the public, it's outlawed to drink and drive (globally, as far as i know).

it's odd to me that so many people act like they're doing what's best for their body when denying the vaccine whilst eating fast food 5x a week, drinking/smoking, not exercising, etc. when there's overwhelming evidence that those things are bad for them. it's clearly not a matter of health for them, it's more retaining their autonomy. except in this case, it's pretty directly affecting everyone in society.

[Neutral 123]

I'm not even pro or against the vaccine. I'm pro choice.

the problem with the pro-choice approach is that it has limitations.

how can the government ban someone CHOOSING to get drunk and CHOOSING to drive a car THEY OWN? the government has no business telling people what they can or can't put in their bodies and then drive their car. but quite obviously they do because it can affect many other people.

it's not a perfect analogy but it's similar - yes, car crashes happen even when people are sober but they are much more likely to happen when someone is intoxicated. because that affects the public, it's outlawed to drink and drive (globally, as far as i know).

it's odd to me that so many people act like they're doing what's best for their body when denying the vaccine whilst eating fast food 5x a week, drinking/smoking, not exercising, etc. when there's overwhelming evidence that those things are bad for them. it's clearly not a matter of health for them, it's more retaining their autonomy. except in this case, it's pretty directly affecting everyone in society.

We've discussed this. How does being unvaccinated endanger the health of others?

[whitehops]

We've discussed this. How does being unvaccinated endanger the health of others?

how does driving drunk endanger the lives of others?

[Neutral 123]

We've discussed this. How does being unvaccinated endanger the health of others?

how does driving drunk endanger the lives of others?

Amazing

[babyjax13]

I'm not even pro or against the vaccine. I'm pro choice.

the problem with the pro-choice approach is that it has limitations.

how can the government ban someone CHOOSING to get drunk and CHOOSING to drive a car THEY OWN? the government has no business telling people what they can or can't put in their bodies and then drive their car. but quite obviously they do because it can affect many other people.

it's not a perfect analogy but it's similar - yes, car crashes happen even when people are sober but they are much more likely to happen when someone is intoxicated. because that affects the public, it's outlawed to drink and drive (globally, as far as i know).

it's odd to me that so many people act like they're doing what's best for their body when denying the vaccine whilst eating fast food 5x a week, drinking/smoking, not exercising, etc. when there's overwhelming evidence that those things are bad for them. it's clearly not a matter of health for them, it's more retaining their autonomy. except in this case, it's pretty directly affecting everyone in society.

We've discussed this. How does being unvaccinated endanger the health of others?

1. it contributes to the development of variants
2. it contributes to the spread of the virus to immunocompromised people who can get the vaccine
3. it contributes to the spread of the virus to immunocompromised people who can't get the vaccine
4. it leads to reduced space in ICUs, etc. because of the amount of covid patients
5. it delays preventative care for other conditions because of the amount of covid patients

Because of 4 & 5 people who could otherwise be treated for different things can't because there are (a) less appointments, and (b) less safety when going to the hospital [and I can attest to this, my grandmother died before the vaccine was available and the only place she was going was to get her cancer treatment].

All this being said, yes, get the vaccine for not just yourself but also others, but it really shouldn't matter if Cedric has it or not, this sucks and we should all hope for his recovery.