Joel Embiid: “We got rid of Jimmy, just to make sure he needed the ball in his hands”

[trickshot]

I have just a question, I hope someone can answer me.
Assuming Simmons decides to holdout the whole year, if Philly wins the title.would he be entitled to get a ring?

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Yes. Dion Waiters was entitled to a ring in the bubble regardless who won the Lakers/Heat series. Similarly in the 2016 finals, Varejao was entitled to a ring regardless which team won the Warriors/Cavs series.

I think eligible should be the word not entitled. It's a far fetched scenario anyway but if they win with their max guy sitting out and being a detriment to the team he'd be eligible for a ring not entitled. It might even be the team who'll have an entitlement to refuse him a ring. Winning with a 40m shaped hole in your roster is a huge handicap.

Heck you can even die and be eligible if you were on the team at some point, it's a very low bar.

[evilpimp972]

I hope Ben goes to a team in Philly's division so I can watch Embiid **** on him 4 times a year. That first matchup is going to be great. Embiid is going to destroy him (if Ben has the balls to play).

Especially when you hear that he should play 5 full time, would love for Embiid to make him quit on the court

[TheNewEra]

You know you're doing the same thing by not believing the other person in Joel right? Joel held back for the betterment of the team all this time. Now that Ben has started saying he can't play with Jo, Jo is telling the truth about what actually happened. If Ben was still on the team, this information would never have gotten out.

Anti Simmons? Please tell me, are the majority of people pro Simmons at this point? Do you see anything in Simmons character, or ability as a player right now, for people to be pro Simmons? Everything he has done this summer paints him in a terrible light. When he was on the team, all I wanted was for him to get better as a player. To be more assertive, to take a few jumpers. Every time he would have a 25+ point game I was excited, but over the years I came to realize that he didn't' have it in him. I bought those summer videos the first few years hook, line and sinker. I then noticed, that it was all a ploy to change the narrative and get the media off his back. I gave Ben every chance he needed, and so did the Sixers as an organization. That includes Joel changing his game, the team not signing ball handlers because it would alienate Ben, and the previous regime **** on Joel, and siding with Ben.

Joel makes a statement that the front office got rid of Jimmy to appease Ben and keep the ball in his hands. Jimmy tells YOU and the world in a interview the situation happened with Ben being upset and rightfully so about what happen. I don’t think Joel is lying the ball handling stuff was a issue and hell everyone knew it could be before and after the trade for Butler but the argument was is this the major reason Butler left/not brought back. To that there is no indication it played a major role.

Here is the best part =Jimmy said that it was all or nothing by the end of the year. He even suggested to Brown that they could find a way to blend ball handling duties between TJ/Ben/Butler but was told don’t worry about. So as a organization you are saying they went from demoting Ben to completely taking his concerns with ball handling to remove Butler as top priority.

Didn’t know Simmons had that much power in the organization especially since after Butler leaving the following year it’s the James Harden trade rumors.

Definitely anti Simmons narrative running around a bit. He’s handled the situation in a poor manor considering his contract but at this point the 76ers handling as a organization has looked insane between Doc interviews and Embiid passive aggression

If you follow the entire process saga you'll learn that in the Colangelo days Simmons was the star that they wanted to build around. You'll learn that from the Burner drama. Brett Brown made Ben a pg to appease him, and the sixers had Fultz offball to appease him. All the players the Sixers acquired were chosen to be able to spread the floor, but have limited ball handling capabilities. It's a big reason why when Simmons isn't playing we suck. It's because the team was designed to maximize Simmons when he was on the floor. Yes, Ben had a lot of power in the organization and that only really changed once Morey arrived. Even when Brand was around the team was built to compliment Ben, and not Joel.

The quote wasn’t even about the whole team that allegedly came from Ben. It was Ben and Embiid operating in similar spaces and the situation possibly running its course and time to move on. The statement even said it was nothing against Joel personally.

Fultz wasn’t playing enough to even be a thing and whether he played on or off ball ball wasn’t suppose to be a issue because of his shooting. The sample size of them playing together and Fultz shooting issue made it a non factor. For a team that’s appeasing Simmons who wants to be the point guard and trading up to draft a point guard to either compliment or take over duties is and was strange.

Idk how you can say that team isn’t built for Joel as much as it is for Simmons. Maybe a lack of playmaking without Ben but the team did have Butler and TJ.

[TheNewEra]

To add if the 76ers built a team with both stars in mind but leaned more towards Ben then it’s most likely to health concerns of Joel

[madmaxmedia]

Jimmy tells you candidly why he left.. from his own mouth...

I get where you're going but I don't think it's that simple, for two reasons. First I've had plenty of work drama over the years and I definitely reframe narratives about what happened to make them simpler and more about my own values and control. I'm someone who's pretty low-ego and generally very honest with myself but still try to do that to make it seem like my principled disagreement about something was why something happened, rather than a more complicated chain of things. Butler also seems like someone who's really into that type of thing (in a good way).

Second, in this video Butler specifically mentions both a) Simmons being very upset about losing touches and b) him leaving because the team wasn't sure about him and was worried he wouldn't fit their personnel experiments. Both of those point directly to the Sixers being concerned about the fit of the 3 all-star guys that year. So the root cause could easily be that question of Simmons and touches.

You can come up with other narratives. Maybe Jimmy left because of aliens and now he's covering it up.

All you have is the truth Jimmy has given here, Jimmy of all players is going to give you the truth.nhes saying some very controversial things here, why would he say them? He doesn't have to speak at all.

If you choose not to believe what Jimmy is saying on the topic of why he left then you want to have a pretty solid line of evidence to refute it.

I guess the 2 scenarios seems somewhat overlapping to me, it doesn't have to be only one or the other.

If you have a superstar level player finish out his deal and know he'll get a max somewhere, you're basically letting him go (or at least signaling to him you don't really want him back) by offering him a less. Butler couldn't even just leave outright, it took a sign-and-trade for him to go to Miami.

There was a conflict between Jimmy and Ben, and the Sixers prioritized Ben over Jimmy. I can't speak for Embiid obviously, but my guess is that's the gist of it from his standpoint.

[GeorgeMarcus]

The Sixers completely botched it.

They could have hypothetically traded Simmons then for a high tier AS or even a superstar.

Dame-Butler-Embiid as a trio could have been feasible, but they got so enamored with Ben Simmons being Lebron 2.0.

Now Simmons' stock has completely plummeted and their window has closed.

We botched the Hinkie treasure trove, no doubt about it. But I think people will be surprised how little the loss of Ben will affect us. People often reference the playoff series against the Celtics but that's when our roster construction was absolute **** and we insisted on playing Horford and Embiid at the same time. Their numbers were tragically bad on the court together. We outplayed the Cs by a good bit every time only 1 of the 2 played, which was a trend that was clear during the RS as well.

My point being, the window isn't closed as long as we have a healthy Joel (knock on wood). I'm tempering my hopes this season as we find out what some of the young guys can do, Maxey in particular. Going forward though I'm excited to see an Embiid-centric team build.

[zimpy27]

I hope you don’t really believe this. Did you even watch that year? Butler was standing in the corner warming his thumbs half the time. He was 5th option much of the time.

Just doubling down on what Jimmy said.

This is Jimmy vs Embiid. Sounds like you're saying Jimmy lied about his own reasoning for leaving.

Yup, that;'s exactly what happened. Althought I wouldn't go as far as saying he was lying. He just didn't say the whole truth. Which you know, people do. Apparently in your world you only deal in absolutes. It's either the full truth, or nothing at all.

That's not true, I just view Jimmy as a straight shooter and have seen Embiid twist the truth a few times. This is built on who you trust more regarding comments and I trust Jimmy more. There are no absolutes, this is probability and plausability.

[eyeatoma]

Just doubling down on what Jimmy said.

This is Jimmy vs Embiid. Sounds like you're saying Jimmy lied about his own reasoning for leaving.

Yup, that;'s exactly what happened. Althought I wouldn't go as far as saying he was lying. He just didn't say the whole truth. Which you know, people do. Apparently in your world you only deal in absolutes. It's either the full truth, or nothing at all.

That's not true, I just view Jimmy as a straight shooter and have seen Embiid twist the truth a few times. This is built on who you trust more regarding comments and I trust Jimmy more. There are no absolutes, this is probability and plausability.

Joel's problem had always been that he is too truthful. Jimmy plays mind games and often deals in subterfuge, what are you talking about lol.

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[Tomjas]

The Sixers completely botched it.

They could have hypothetically traded Simmons then for a high tier AS or even a superstar.

Dame-Butler-Embiid as a trio could have been feasible, but they got so enamored with Ben Simmons being Lebron 2.0.

Now Simmons' stock has completely plummeted and their window has closed.

We botched the Hinkie treasure trove, no doubt about it. But I think people will be surprised how little the loss of Ben will affect us. People often reference the playoff series against the Celtics but that's when our roster construction was absolute **** and we insisted on playing Horford and Embiid at the same time. Their numbers were tragically bad on the court together. We outplayed the Cs by a good bit every time only 1 of the 2 played, which was a trend that was clear during the RS as well.

My point being, the window isn't closed as long as we have a healthy Joel (knock on wood). I'm tempering my hopes this season as we find out what some of our young guys can do, Maxey in particular. Going forward though I'm excited to see an Embiid-centric team build.

The team is already Embiid-centric

If anything, it needs to be less so

[Danny1616]

If Jimmy had stayed with Philly, they probably would have a solid chance to win the title last year.

[trickshot]

I get where you're going but I don't think it's that simple, for two reasons. First I've had plenty of work drama over the years and I definitely reframe narratives about what happened to make them simpler and more about my own values and control. I'm someone who's pretty low-ego and generally very honest with myself but still try to do that to make it seem like my principled disagreement about something was why something happened, rather than a more complicated chain of things. Butler also seems like someone who's really into that type of thing (in a good way).

Second, in this video Butler specifically mentions both a) Simmons being very upset about losing touches and b) him leaving because the team wasn't sure about him and was worried he wouldn't fit their personnel experiments. Both of those point directly to the Sixers being concerned about the fit of the 3 all-star guys that year. So the root cause could easily be that question of Simmons and touches.

You can come up with other narratives. Maybe Jimmy left because of aliens and now he's covering it up.

All you have is the truth Jimmy has given here, Jimmy of all players is going to give you the truth.nhes saying some very controversial things here, why would he say them? He doesn't have to speak at all.

If you choose not to believe what Jimmy is saying on the topic of why he left then you want to have a pretty solid line of evidence to refute it.

I guess the 2 scenarios seems somewhat overlapping to me, it doesn't have to be only one or the other.

If you have a superstar level player finish out his deal and know he'll get a max somewhere, you're basically letting him go (or at least signaling to him you don't really want him back) by offering him a less. Butler couldn't even just leave outright, it took a sign-and-trade for him to go to Miami. They still get to see the dude every other day.

I can't speak for Embiid obviously, but my guess is that's the gist of it from his standpoint. There was a conflict between Jimmy and Ben, and the Sixers prioritized Ben over Jimmy.

Yeah I think it's everything not one or the other. In the interview Butler talked about a lot that went on in Philly that made them view him as problematic, think he even omitted the story about Ben not liking the text Butler sent about doing or not doing something in the game, It was obvious he didn't want to rehash the Simmons aspect in detail. One thing the interview made clear was all of those conflicts, including the one with players was why Philly's FO viewed him as an agitant.

Something else to consider is Butler left the organisation, how could he really know Philly's reasoning if he was already gone? Shouldn't it be the guys who stayed who have a better picture of the GM's rationale?

[GeorgeMarcus]

The Sixers completely botched it.

They could have hypothetically traded Simmons then for a high tier AS or even a superstar.

Dame-Butler-Embiid as a trio could have been feasible, but they got so enamored with Ben Simmons being Lebron 2.0.

Now Simmons' stock has completely plummeted and their window has closed.

We botched the Hinkie treasure trove, no doubt about it. But I think people will be surprised how little the loss of Ben will affect us. People often reference the playoff series against the Celtics but that's when our roster construction was absolute **** and we insisted on playing Horford and Embiid at the same time. Their numbers were tragically bad on the court together. We outplayed the Cs by a good bit every time only 1 of the 2 played, which was a trend that was clear during the RS as well.

My point being, the window isn't closed as long as we have a healthy Joel (knock on wood). I'm tempering my hopes this season as we find out what some of our young guys can do, Maxey in particular. Going forward though I'm excited to see an Embiid-centric team build.

The team is already Embiid-centric

If anything, it needs to be less so

That can't be true when our point guard's shot selection was limited to the restricted area. If Embiid wanted to score from the post it was a guaranteed double team.

[Pelly24]

Joel Embiid is absolutely correct. I wish to God they kept jimmy. They would've won the chip this past year. Just a very very trash situation.

[haosmoove]

I get where you're going but I don't think it's that simple, for two reasons. First I've had plenty of work drama over the years and I definitely reframe narratives about what happened to make them simpler and more about my own values and control. I'm someone who's pretty low-ego and generally very honest with myself but still try to do that to make it seem like my principled disagreement about something was why something happened, rather than a more complicated chain of things. Butler also seems like someone who's really into that type of thing (in a good way).

Second, in this video Butler specifically mentions both a) Simmons being very upset about losing touches and b) him leaving because the team wasn't sure about him and was worried he wouldn't fit their personnel experiments. Both of those point directly to the Sixers being concerned about the fit of the 3 all-star guys that year. So the root cause could easily be that question of Simmons and touches.

You can come up with other narratives. Maybe Jimmy left because of aliens and now he's covering it up.

All you have is the truth Jimmy has given here, Jimmy of all players is going to give you the truth.nhes saying some very controversial things here, why would he say them? He doesn't have to speak at all.

If you choose not to believe what Jimmy is saying on the topic of why he left then you want to have a pretty solid line of evidence to refute it.

I guess the 2 scenarios seems somewhat overlapping to me, it doesn't have to be only one or the other.

If you have a superstar level player finish out his deal and know he'll get a max somewhere, you're basically letting him go (or at least signaling to him you don't really want him back) by offering him a less. Butler couldn't even just leave outright, it took a sign-and-trade for him to go to Miami.

There was a conflict between Jimmy and Ben, and the Sixers prioritized Ben over Jimmy. I can't speak for Embiid obviously, but my guess is that's the gist of it from his standpoint.

Agreed, I too believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Players don't know everything that factored into front office moves. I can literally think of a hundred reasons why the organization will not be 100% transparent to every player. Both Joel and Jimmy can be telling the truth, yet they don't know the whole truth from the information they were given.

Joel knows that the organization wants to put the ball in Simmon's hand more, this diminishes the value that Butler brings.
Jimmy knows that he's not given a max, which indicates the team is prioritizing other players over him.
There can be other reasons that factor in the decision if say Brown would come out and give his perspective.

[JujitsuFlip]

I have just a question, I hope someone can answer me.
Assuming Simmons decides to holdout the whole year, if Philly wins the title.would he be entitled to get a ring?

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Yes. Dion Waiters was entitled to a ring in the bubble regardless who won the Lakers/Heat series. Similarly in the 2016 finals, Varejao was entitled to a ring regardless which team won the Warriors/Cavs series.

I think eligible should be the word not entitled. It's a far fetched scenario anyway but if they win with their max guy sitting out and being a detriment to the team he'd be eligible for a ring not entitled. It might even be the team who'll have an entitlement to refuse him a ring. Winning with a 40m shaped hole in your roster is a huge handicap.

Heck you can even die and be eligible if you were on the team at some point, it's a very low bar.

Haha yeah, your word choice may be more fitting. Ben could always refuse the Championship ring, like Anderson Varejao did.

[zimpy27]

Joel Embiid is absolutely correct. I wish to God they kept jimmy. They would've won the chip this past year. Just a very very trash situation.

The right team was Butler, Simmons, Embiid. Adding Green, Curry, Thybulle, Maxey to that would have been insane.

[JujitsuFlip]

To add if the 76ers built a team with both stars in mind but leaned more towards Ben then it’s most likely to health concerns of Joel

True but Ben has his own health issues too.

[JujitsuFlip]

Joel Embiid is absolutely correct. I wish to God they kept jimmy. They would've won the chip this past year. Just a very very trash situation.

The right team was Butler, Simmons, Embiid. Adding Green, Curry, Thybulle, Maxey to that would have been insane.

Still woulda had a near max slot in the summer of 2019 to add to those 3 as well.

[eyeatoma]

Joel Embiid is absolutely correct. I wish to God they kept jimmy. They would've won the chip this past year. Just a very very trash situation.

The right team was Butler, Simmons, Embiid. Adding Green, Curry, Thybulle, Maxey to that would have been insane.

Agreed

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[KrAzY3]

This seems odd and petty attack at Ben because if I remember right Butler said it was a money issue.

Yeah they wouldn't pay him because they decided they wanted to focus on Ben. That's a money issue.

There's no sane reason to trade for a guy like Jimmy then not pay him unless you're dead set on catering to a player that needs extra special hugs and attention.