DeMar DeRozan will be an eventual HOF’er

[alevirfe]

what will benefit DeMar in making a case for the HOF is the sheer amount of games he's played. DeMar has been healthy throughout his whole career and never really took games off for rest or load management

this has allowed DeMar to climb his way up the points list, all the way to #58 all time. when it's all said & done DeMar will easily be a top 50 points scorer all time with over 5k rebounds & assists to boot

take a look at the list of top 50 point scorers - there aren't a ton of players that aren't HOF caliber there

[PurpleTrees]

He will get into the top 50 this season. With about 7 more years of playing to go.

[yellowknifer]

If he has 3 more seasons like this and a bit of playoff success I would say he's a lock.

[sip]

To back up my prior comparison of DeRozan to Ellis, look at these stats for the core 9 years of their careers (excluding the last 3 for DeRozan):

DeRozan
21.1 ppg on .535 TS%
4.4 rb
3.7 ass
1 spg

Ellis

20.3 ppg on .526 TS%
3.6 rpg
5 apg
1.7 spg

Neither played consistent defense. Just volume shooters. Would Ellis ever merit HOF consideration, even if he tacked on 3 seasons like DeRozan has had?

What kind of nonsense is this. You can't just exclude the last 3 seasons. Especially when this year is arguably his best season ever.

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[InsideInfo]

The GB just had this thread last week, and it's the same dumbass replies this week.

5x All star
3x All NBA (He is a lock for it this year if he doesnt get hurt)
2 Gold medals
Going to finish fairly high on the all-time scoring and all-time PPG.

DDR is showing absolutely no sign of slowing down. Why are we pretending that he cannot add to his resume and finish with 6 or 7 ASG appearances, and maybe 1 or 2 more All NBA teams beyond this season.

By no means is he a lock for the HOF but anyone saying he has no chance is either hating or just ignorant to reality.

[Snakebites]

If he makes it it says as much about the HOF criteria as it does about him.

But yes, based on historical precedent, it's likely he'll be a HOF'er.

[LoveMyRaps]

If he wins a title, he’s a lock.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Doubt it. BBR has his probability at 6% rn. Just behind Isaiah Thomas…

He's definitely not making it if his career ended today. But we know his career isn't over... in fact, he's playing the best basketball of his career.

I assume that 6% will go up significantly IF DeRozan (as expected) adds an All NBA award this season... and continues to climb up cumulative statistics lists the next few years.

[Johnny Bball]

Doubt it. BBR has his probability at 6% rn. Just behind Isaiah Thomas…

He's definitely not making it if his career ended today. But we know his career isn't over... in fact, he's playing the best basketball of his career.

I assume that 6% will go up significantly IF DeRozan (as expected) adds an All NBA award this season... and continues to climb up cumulative statistics lists the next few years.

LOL. Yep.

Wanna bet its 70s-80s at the end of the year? He's getting in the HOF barring injury. Period.

[cupcakesnake]

Not sure I've seen a player transform his narrative and impact so much in a single season.

For me he went from Antawn Jamison to likely hall of fame lock.

But we're also, as always, prisoners of the moment. I'm going to doubt Demar to some extent until he and Chicago prove it in the playoffs. A big playoff flameout would put a big damper on the Demar hype. But even him playing average would be enough to put the Defrozan monicker to bed I think (when you combine it with his solid enough playoff series in San Antonio). He's almost certainly going to make All-NBA barring injury, and nothing will take that away. 3x All-NBA is HOF material to me.

At the beginning of the season, I was amongst the loud voices that assumed Chicago was going to be awful and Demar was just going to continue meaningless scoring binges for a treadmill team. I was wrong and I don't mind admitting it. It's always cool to see a player succeed and play their best basketball.

[a8bil]

To back up my prior comparison of DeRozan to Ellis, look at these stats for the core 9 years of their careers (excluding the last 3 for DeRozan):

DeRozan
21.1 ppg on .535 TS%
4.4 rb
3.7 ass
1 spg

Ellis

20.3 ppg on .526 TS%
3.6 rpg
5 apg
1.7 spg

Neither played consistent defense. Just volume shooters. Would Ellis ever merit HOF consideration, even if he tacked on 3 seasons like DeRozan has had?

What kind of nonsense is this. You can't just exclude the last 3 seasons. Especially when this year is arguably his best season ever.

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Clearly you have trouble following along. Do what I suggest...tack on DeRozan's last 3 year numbers to ME's career numbers....do you get a HOF player with those stats?

[a8bil]

This is a poor argument. Players are considered for the HOF based on their entire basketball career. You can’t just say well based on aggregate stats accumulated these 9 years here, they shouldn’t make the HOF.

Come on...I fully agree that you can't ignore a player's entire body of work (I for one think Frank Gore should make the PF HOF), but when you set aside the last 3 years of DD's career, it looks awfully lot like Monta Ellis..which is not a slight, it's just reality that he was not putting together an HOF career. Tack on the last 3 years to ME's career would you say that changes everything and ME should be in the HOF? My answer is no. DD's career is not over, however, and he could very well put on several more years like this. If he does, he make the HOF discussion very interesting.

Demar has a stronger resume than Monta Ellis. He is currently at 19.2k+ points. Barring major injury, he could reach 25k points in 3-4 more seasons. If he reaches that, he’d be top 25-30 (depending on where other active players finish) on the all time list. Every NBA player with 21k+ total points are in or will be in the HOF as of right now.

Agreed...but he has a stronger resume only because of the last 3 years. Before that -- 9+ years of his career -- he was on ME's trajectory (or very nearly). How much weight do you give to the last 3 years, given the bubble, covid etc.?

[HoopsterJones]

Come on...I fully agree that you can't ignore a player's entire body of work (I for one think Frank Gore should make the PF HOF), but when you set aside the last 3 years of DD's career, it looks awfully lot like Monta Ellis..which is not a slight, it's just reality that he was not putting together an HOF career. Tack on the last 3 years to ME's career would you say that changes everything and ME should be in the HOF? My answer is no. DD's career is not over, however, and he could very well put on several more years like this. If he does, he make the HOF discussion very interesting.

Demar has a stronger resume than Monta Ellis. He is currently at 19.2k+ points. Barring major injury, he could reach 25k points in 3-4 more seasons. If he reaches that, he’d be top 25-30 (depending on where other active players finish) on the all time list. Every NBA player with 21k+ total points are in or will be in the HOF as of right now.

Agreed...but he has a stronger resume only because of the last 3 years. Before that -- 9+ years of his career -- he was on ME's trajectory (or very nearly). How much weight do you give to the last 3 years, given the bubble, covid etc.?

Yes. He’s been much more efficient as a scorer the past 3 seasons. The last 3 seasons do not get an asterisk from me because of Bubble/Covid. Demar has been excellent and playing in the same exact conditions as everyone else. Do we put an asterisk to Jokic’s MVP season last year? The Lakers championship the year before? It’s not a narrative I subscribe to.

[InsideInfo]

Come on...I fully agree that you can't ignore a player's entire body of work (I for one think Frank Gore should make the PF HOF), but when you set aside the last 3 years of DD's career, it looks awfully lot like Monta Ellis..which is not a slight, it's just reality that he was not putting together an HOF career. Tack on the last 3 years to ME's career would you say that changes everything and ME should be in the HOF? My answer is no. DD's career is not over, however, and he could very well put on several more years like this. If he does, he make the HOF discussion very interesting.

Demar has a stronger resume than Monta Ellis. He is currently at 19.2k+ points. Barring major injury, he could reach 25k points in 3-4 more seasons. If he reaches that, he’d be top 25-30 (depending on where other active players finish) on the all time list. Every NBA player with 21k+ total points are in or will be in the HOF as of right now.

Agreed...but he has a stronger resume only because of the last 3 years. Before that -- 9+ years of his career -- he was on ME's trajectory (or very nearly). How much weight do you give to the last 3 years, given the bubble, covid etc.?

Monte Ellis trajectory if you want to ignore 4 All star games, 2 All NBA teams, and 2 gold medals.

Bro why are we talkin about Monte Ellis?

[Johnny Bball]

To back up my prior comparison of DeRozan to Ellis, look at these stats for the core 9 years of their careers (excluding the last 3 for DeRozan):

DeRozan
21.1 ppg on .535 TS%
4.4 rb
3.7 ass
1 spg

Ellis

20.3 ppg on .526 TS%
3.6 rpg
5 apg
1.7 spg

Neither played consistent defense. Just volume shooters. Would Ellis ever merit HOF consideration, even if he tacked on 3 seasons like DeRozan has had?

So basically, if you take away the fact that he’s a five time all-star, and you shorten Derozan’s career so that it’s a comparable sample to Monta Ellis, what you’d have is Monta Ellis. Cool.

Don't be dumb...9 years is almost an entire career for most players. Even with these two, it cuts out only their rookie year (which for most players not named Lebron is just spot work), and for DD cuts out the Covid bubble years. The point is that he had a very prolonged period of play comparable to a player who has 0% chance to make the HOF. That doesn't mean DD has 0% chance as well, and these last 3 seasons are making an impression, but it's going to take more than 3 bizarre, COVID impacted years to change a good NBA career into an HOF career, IMO.

So take away his prime, his all-star appearances, his all-nba awards, and give him no future, gold medals, ECFs, and then they are close to similar for a stretch? And you think other posts are dumb? Lmao... this is ridiculously bad reach.

[J_T]

I still think it might be a fluke season. And if that is the case, he is a lock to stay out of HoF.

Either way, I see him as one of those fringe HoF players. Let's put it this way... before this season nobody would have dreamt to say he is a lock HoFamer. And he is 32. Logically this should tell you something. But logic is boring, let's all overreact and be emotional.

[khufure]

I still think it might be a fluke season. And if that is the case, he is a lock to stay out of HoF.

Either way, I see him as one of those fringe HoF players. Let's put it this way... before this season nobody would have dreamt to say he is a lock HoFamer. And he is 32. Logically this should tell you something. But logic is boring, let's all overreact and be emotional.

I watched basically all his games this year. The way he's playing is a variation on older MJ in his 2nd three-peat. It's body positioning, a huge assortment of fakes, midrange genius. I don't think it will age out quick. The surprise was how in tune it is with the rest of the offense, and so quick.

[J_T]

I still think it might be a fluke season. And if that is the case, he is a lock to stay out of HoF.

Either way, I see him as one of those fringe HoF players. Let's put it this way... before this season nobody would have dreamt to say he is a lock HoFamer. And he is 32. Logically this should tell you something. But logic is boring, let's all overreact and be emotional.

I watched basically all his games this year. The way he's playing is a variation on older MJ in his 2nd three-peat. It's body positioning, a huge assortment of fakes, midrange genius. I don't think it will age out quick. The surprise was how in tune it is with the rest of the offense, and so quick.

Do you disagree with my statement that before this season, he was seen nowhere close to Hall of Fame?

[bubonicphoniks]

On talent alone hes in but on career accomplishments hes short

[khufure]

I still think it might be a fluke season. And if that is the case, he is a lock to stay out of HoF.

Either way, I see him as one of those fringe HoF players. Let's put it this way... before this season nobody would have dreamt to say he is a lock HoFamer. And he is 32. Logically this should tell you something. But logic is boring, let's all overreact and be emotional.

I watched basically all his games this year. The way he's playing is a variation on older MJ in his 2nd three-peat. It's body positioning, a huge assortment of fakes, midrange genius. I don't think it will age out quick. The surprise was how in tune it is with the rest of the offense, and so quick.

Do you disagree with my statement that before this season, he was seen nowhere close to Hall of Fame?

I came to this thread to consume content. I don't know enough about hall of fame credentials to answer. I'm replying to your 'fluke' comment, basically saying I don't think it is one. Sorry to skirt around your question and thread in general.