Steve Nash believes James Harden is unfairly treated by the new rules

[picc]

So now that the refs have "figured him out", he should be punished going forward and their revenge is justified and because the refs maybe called too many fouls in the past?

I'll allow it.

[monopoman]

Harden still has the most egregious foul baiting I have ever seen.

I hope his "highlights" like this are immortalized next to his name forever.

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Do some other players also do this stuff on rare occasion? Sure, but Harden has built a career out of it plain and smiple.

[durden_tyler]

i love Steve Nash but this is a coaching working the refs (and the league) and he know he's wrong Harden exposed thread i guess?

[SeniorWalker]

Fans that defended Harden's style of play always relied on the logic that he was just taking advantage of how the rules were written. That Harden was so smart and skilled that its not his fault that he gets all those calls.

So now applying that same energy, Harden should be so smart and skilled to adjust and get fouls called within the rules as they are written......

^^^^This.

Don't wanna hear anything else. Harden IS deservingly the posterboy and will have to deal with it. Hopefully it catches up with guys like Trae as well.

This crap needs to be rooted out of the game once and for all. Glad its possibly happening.

[Ben-N1ce]

Looks like Harden might have figured out. 14 points on 5/17 shooting 3 FT's

[Homer38]

Incredible. SO glad to see the back of this:

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A player with over 10 3 points attempts and 10 FTA per game in the same season(3 times in fact for Harden), it was disgusting ... it should never happen something like that.So glad that this rules work right now and the refs need to continue

[Homer38]

Harden has 17.3 PPG on under 37% after 4 games right now.I think with the times he will adjust and he will be fine(if this is not the case,he will be a fraud) but the days with 8-10 free points per game are likely over and it was about damn time.

[Zvaart]

this is poetic justice, love it.

[dhsilv2]

Nash made stance and his bed with his Trae bashing; and he needs to accept his fate. Foul baiting is foul baiting. The refs probably lost a lot of respect for Nash the coach; if they ever had any respect for him as a coach.

He's not claiming Harden should be getting 11 FTA a game like it's 2017. Definitely a percentage of Harden's fouls were complete BS and baiting. That's not the argument.

What he's saying is that James isn't even getting a fair deal right now. If you've watched the games, you would have seen multiple times when regular fouls were not called for some unknown reason. "Oh it's Harden, he's a ref baiter so we're not going to call fouls for him anymore" isn't a valid excuse. Or maybe they just missed the call, that's possible too.

All Nash is asking is for the game to be called fairly for everyone, and for now, it appears as if the refs are still in some growing paints adjusting to the rules and over compensating so far. This will change in the near future and he'll be back to at least a reasonable FTA rate again.

I don't recall Nash or anyone from Brooklyn complaining about Harden getting 11 free throw attempts per game. If you can, please post the link.

Oh it's Harden, he's a ref baiter so

This is the bed Nash made when he called out Trae. Complain all you want; but I think Harden will probably be the last high volume free throw shooter that the refs level out.

When did Harden get 11 free throw attempts a game for or against Nash's teams? Harden averaged less than 8 a game last year. And you're obsessed with some quote that likely trae doesn't even remember here man. A coach is going to use the media to get favorable calls for their team. That's just coaching 101. What a coach says about their team and a team they're playing SHOULDN'T be the same standard, that'd be a poor use of the media and bad coaching.

[dhsilv2]

Fans that defended Harden's style of play always relied on the logic that he was just taking advantage of how the rules were written. That Harden was so smart and skilled that its not his fault that he gets all those calls.

So now applying that same energy, Harden should be so smart and skilled to adjust and get fouls called within the rules as they are written......

People are saying Harden is getting fouled as these rules are written and not getting the call despite that. That's what nash is saying and it seems many here are saying. Not that Harden hasn't adapted.

It's like during that 27 miss 3's for the rockets there were 4-5 non calls on harden. Some of those you could say were just "playoff rules" and play on. Two harden's hand/arm was hacked going up. Those are fouls in street ball and were missed. You can't just shrug that off as "playoff rules". Those were blown calls that shouldn't happen.

[dhsilv2]

If Harden thinks the rule change went too far that means they are working as intended. Great news.

Nash thinks the refs are calling the game differently for Harden than other players...

[Godymas]

Eh he's being a crybaby, FTA aren't even that much down from last year. The real team that should be complaining is Denver, what is this ****, less than 10 a game? They are soooooo far below ANY other team in the league.

[lambchop]

Problem is that if harden doesnt get those free throws, the nets could be looking at a 1st round exit, unless Harden is willing to really change his game and also do things like spot up shooting and playing through contact.

[Antinomy]

I said it back in 2016 that Harden was the most manufactured superstar player I had ever seen.

His entire game is reliant on handcuffing defenders by proxy of the referees. Every year, he’d come up with a new trick to draw fouls.

First it was popping the head back. Then it was the falling on defenders. Then it was pushing off. Then hooking on drives. Then hooking 35 feet from the basket. Then grabbing defenders who fighting over screens. Then kicking the feet out on jumpers to draw the Zaza rule.

He just wouldn’t stop.

[dhsilv2]

Problem is that if harden doesnt get those free throws, the nets could be looking at a 1st round exit, unless Harden is willing to really change his game and also do things like spot up shooting and playing through contact.

You think harden doesn't play through contact? Of his 7 field goals I think two were him getting contact, missing, and getting his own board and scoring.

[dhsilv2]

You guys realize in about 10 20 minutes you can see every field goal Harden's taken this year right?

No need to speculate, no need to say people don't watch the games. Just here is every shot in each game. Judge for yourself.

https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?ContextMeasure=FGA&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022100044&PlayerID=201935&RangeType=0&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612751&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game

https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?ContextMeasure=FGA&GameID=0022100035&PlayerID=201935&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game

https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?ContextMeasure=FGA&GameID=0022100021&PlayerID=201935&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game

https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?ContextMeasure=FGA&GameID=0022100001&PlayerID=201935&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game

https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?ContextMeasure=FGA&GameID=0012100056&PlayerID=201935&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Pre%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game

[Impuniti]

Harden admitted himself that he works on moves to "fool the Refs" instead of putting the Ball in the Hoop. He emphasizes that he does things to get the Refs to blow the whistle. If he is the Poster boy then he brought it on himself if now whistles get swallowed.

Clever wording. He works on moves to take full advantage of the rules as written, not to "fool the refs".

Also, two wrongs don't make a right. Even if the first argument is true, which I don't agree with entirely, but we'll say that he did just for arguments sake. So now that the refs have "figured him out", he should be punished going forward and their revenge is justified and because the refs maybe called too many fouls in the past? Ok

Yes he should. It's beautiful watching him fail and cry, for once for good reason.

[KnicksGadfly]

I blame Kyrie. At least James is trying. I can’t even tell if Kyrie is playing or not, his contribution is so minimal. It’s like he’s invisible on the court.

[danvato]

Such a struggle to find an objective opinion on this.

Poetic justice, boy who cried wolf. Wtf is that? He deserves it? Why? There are rules in the NBA, fouls are fouls, if you watched any of the 1st 4 Nets you'd see he is not getting legitimate calls.

You think Nash calling out Trae Young for non-basketball moves but supporting Harden is hypocritical? 1st of all, you're a dummy, 2nd of all, have you been watching Harden the last few years? He significantly cut down on the non-basketball moves.

I like physical basketball, and i don't like foul baiting, including Harden and anybody else, but the guy is getting fouled and the refs are ignoring it. That is not OK and it shouldn't cause this silly aproar in here about how he deserves it.

[HEAT33]

Harden is hard to watch, all his flopping and foul baiting makes him boring to watch, when I see him drive, I am always praying someone Bill Laimbeer’s him in the face