The new rules suck. Nba need to start calling fouls

[ConSarnit]

It’s always amazing that even when the league does something overwhelmingly positive (stopping bs foul hunting) there are still people that want that garbage back.

The league could implement a “no dunking” rule and there would be MULTIPLE posters saying it’s a good idea.

[Grodoboldo]

**** no

[og15]

It’s always amazing that even when the league does something overwhelmingly positive (stopping bs foul hunting) there are still people that want that garbage back.

The league could implement a “no dunking” rule and there would be MULTIPLE posters saying it’s a good idea.

The OP might be swinging too far in the other direction, but the general point being made about missed calls is not unwarranted. The refs are currently missing calls that they would have called at any other time in NBA history because they are mainly focused on trying to NOT make certain calls.

It's an adjustment period, they should be making some calls that they aren't making, if you watch film and watch plays closely, you will see it. That said, they have to start somewhere, no rule implementation just starts off perfectly, there are growing pains. Right now the refs are setting the groundwork for removing certain plays. As they go back and evaluate their calls they can get better at separating real fouls that would always have been called from the plays that they are tying to eliminate.

[Buzzard]

I still expect things to flatten out. The days of averaging double digit free throw attempts a game might be over; but 7,8, and 9 a game is not going anywhere. Players are just to good and crafty as posted earlier.

This is not a new phenomenon. Getting into the paint and drawing a foul is as old school as it comes. The three point foul call is newer and might be phased out for the most part. We can credit Reggie Miller with showing the younger generation the way on that one.

[KirkHinrich12]

Prison basketball lol. That made me laugh. Nothing was worse than jumping into a defender and somehow was a foul on the defender. With that said, it does seem like they are missing too many obvious foul calls.

[Chandan]

Rule change is class warfare. And i like it.

[Pablo Escobar]

They should add hand checking as well. Real basketball needs to return not this pussy **** they've been putting on tv the last few years. I remember watching Lowry play and he'd drive and grab the defenders arm and flop and draw fts every time. Like what is that bs? I'm glad they've changed the rules and I hope it goes further.

[Spens1]

Honestly the basketball has been great, better than its been in years in large part cause players like Trae Young, James Harden, Luka Doncic etc aren't able to just bait the refs and get fouls for nothing.

Glad there is some physicality back in the league.

[chifan1798]

I love the new rules. I’m tired of seeing players “free throw begging”. It’s so annoying that they weren’t trying to use their talent to shoot an accurate shot, but rather to get FTs.

[IG2]

They've overcorrected a problem that wasn't that big to begin with. FTA and FTR were already at record lows. The ease of scoring the last few years had to do with 1) spacing and 2) soft defensive rules. Not "flopping". While I'm glad they decided to come down hard on foul baiting, I don't understand why they decided to stop calling fouls altogether. This is not the "old" nba. Go watch a random 90's game....there are whistles galore for basic contact around the rim.

What the league SHOULD have done besides cutting down flopping is actually take the hand-cuffs off defense. Let teams be physical again. That would've naturally resulted in less scoring and made the product more fun to watch too.

[Flopper]

I think the NBA had reached a point where it was out of touch with how the game was played and officiated at every other level in the US and international leagues around the world. In addition to a declining fan base, it's not unfathomable to think that some mid to high-level players would have started to defect rather than play in a league that encourages efficiency through rule and referee manipulation rather than skill and athleticism.

This also seems like a nice counter balance to the power of the 3 ball since it lets perimeter defenders play more aggressively without fear of shooters initiating contact for a free trip to the line. I know there’s a lot of long time fans out there who feel the NBA’s style of play has gotten stale and repetitive, so hopefully this will encourage more diverse offensive and defensive style as the league adjusts to the new officiating style.

[birdsmoke]

OP cracking me up. Very funny.

[10giz]

They know their free ride is finished. They'll get over it eventually.

So tired of stars wanting everything to be as convenient and simple as possible. We should be making the game harder not easier.

If millions of people playing pick up basketball every day can suffer the torment of being fouled regularly without free throws, I'm sure these the best athletes and basketball player in the world can too.

**** I loved getting fouled all the time. No better way to get into your opponents head than showing them they're incapable of doing anything else go contain you.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

it's a fair point. they changed the framework of the league because a handful of players skillfully found ways to succeed relative to their peers. it's not like it was actually a big deal. like others have said, free throw attempts have steadily declined over time. compare last season at 21.8 to 2005 at 26.1 to 1987 at 30.5. it's a made-up problem, frankly.

it would be akin to moving the three point line back because certain players are too good at shooting them now. some would welcome this change, but it's basically pointless. actually, this would be a more relevant change because three point attempts have increased every year over the past decade.

[turnaroundJ]

They've overcorrected a problem that wasn't that big to begin with. FTA and FTR were already at record lows. The ease of scoring the last few years had to do with 1) spacing and 2) soft defensive rules. Not "flopping". While I'm glad they decided to come down hard on foul baiting, I don't understand why they decided to stop calling fouls altogether. This is not the "old" nba. Go watch a random 90's game....there are whistles galore for basic contact around the rim.

What the league SHOULD have done besides cutting down flopping is actually take the hand-cuffs off defense. Let teams be physical again. That would've naturally resulted in less scoring and made the product more fun to watch too.

it can't be said enough but i totally agree that 90s basketball wasn't that hardass **** people think it was. i often wonder if peoples' memories are that bad or maybe a casual viewer's analysis of older basketball just wasn't as good. the soft calls were absolutely there. there were no multiple hard fouls for drives, handchecking was never a legal thing (but that doesn't stop players even until today from trying and getting away with it obviously), etc. etc.

[XTC]

I'm down with it and hope the trend continues.

Tighten up that whistle. Too many games in the past have been decided by the whistle. I enjoy this new NBA where skill prevails. This has been the most enjoyable NBA season for me since 2014 (excluding 2019 where my Raps won). I really hope things stay the way they are.

Who cares which star is struggling. Those same stars are going to complain and say "call the whistle how you do it in the regular season" when the post season arrives.

The league has become a.mockery for the couple seasons. It seems every possession was either a 3 or free throw. The last 3/4 seasons where unwatchable to me (other than 2019 for obvious reasons). These rule changes have been amazing for for growth of the game. It's great to see the rebirth of the midrange game, and most especially the rebirth of the big man. The fan inside me hopes they keep this up.

I'd honestly be down to bring hand checking back. Perimeter players are too skilled and have far too many advantages. The 90s + early 00s was easily the funnest period of basketball for me as a fan.

[og15]

They've overcorrected a problem that wasn't that big to begin with. FTA and FTR were already at record lows. The ease of scoring the last few years had to do with 1) spacing and 2) soft defensive rules. Not "flopping". While I'm glad they decided to come down hard on foul baiting, I don't understand why they decided to stop calling fouls altogether. This is not the "old" nba. Go watch a random 90's game....there are whistles galore for basic contact around the rim.

What the league SHOULD have done besides cutting down flopping is actually take the hand-cuffs off defense. Let teams be physical again. That would've naturally resulted in less scoring and made the product more fun to watch too.

it can't be said enough but i totally agree that 90s basketball wasn't that hardass **** people think it was. i often wonder if peoples' memories are that bad or maybe a casual viewer's analysis of older basketball just wasn't as good. the soft calls were absolutely there. there were no multiple hard fouls for drives, handchecking was never a legal thing (but that doesn't stop players even until today from trying and getting away with it obviously), etc. etc.

Mpst people's perceptions come from playoff games and specific teams. Access to games and video was not nearly as wide as it is now.

[Chinook]

I think the NBA should basically get rid of fouls as a strategic tool. This first bit about stopping offensive players from drawing fouls when a defender wasn't going to touch them is good. But it needs to be balanced out by players not being able to foul to stop a break or to force free-throws when they're overmatched. Fouls should be accidental. I'd also like to see them get rid of charge calls. It makes the game less safe to have folks running into a guy's path hoping to get run over. Offensive fouls would still be in the game in other circumstances, and players could use verticality to contest shots just as they do now. But we really don't need a ton of whistles.

It would take players years to adjust to these changes, but once they do, we'd have a much better viewing experience where almost all action is a basketball play and officials are much less a part of the process. The best players would still rise to the top, game plans would still affect playoff series. The biggest change might be that end-of-game scenarios would be completely different if intentional fouls weren't a thing, but I'm not sure if that's even a draw-back.

[dhsilv2]

I think the NBA had reached a point where it was out of touch with how the game was played and officiated at every other level in the US and international leagues around the world. In addition to a declining fan base, it's not unfathomable to think that some mid to high-level players would have started to defect rather than play in a league that encourages efficiency through rule and referee manipulation rather than skill and athleticism.

This also seems like a nice counter balance to the power of the 3 ball since it lets perimeter defenders play more aggressively without fear of shooters initiating contact for a free trip to the line. I know there’s a lot of long time fans out there who feel the NBA’s style of play has gotten stale and repetitive, so hopefully this will encourage more diverse offensive and defensive style as the league adjusts to the new officiating style.

It's not balancing anything out because they're calling even LESS at the rim and the league was already before this year historically letting defenders get away with murder down low on anyone who was a big, now they're not even calling forearms and obvious fouls on guards going to the basket. 3 point attempts per 100 still just like last year has the top team at 43 and the bottom team at 27. They haven't shifted anything.

[dhsilv2]

I think the NBA should basically get rid of fouls as a strategic tool. This first bit about stopping offensive players from drawing fouls when a defender wasn't going to touch them is good. But it needs to be balanced out by players not being able to foul to stop a break or to force free-throws when they're overmatched. Fouls should be accidental. I'd also like to see them get rid of charge calls. It makes the game less safe to have folks running into a guy's path hoping to get run over. Offensive fouls would still be in the game in other circumstances, and players could use verticality to contest shots just as they do now. But we really don't need a ton of whistles.

It would take players years to adjust to these changes, but once they do, we'd have a much better viewing experience where almost all action is a basketball play and officials are much less a part of the process. The best players would still rise to the top, game plans would still affect playoff series. The biggest change might be that end-of-game scenarios would be completely different if intentional fouls weren't a thing, but I'm not sure if that's even a draw-back.

You'd have to get rid of fouling out...but in doing that you're create a lot more "accidental" fouls as teams would use bigger stronger guys who lack the skill of today's game as "enforcers" in situations.