James Harden Wants To Be Traded To Philadelphiia; Won’t Formally Demand Trade Due To Public Backlash

[Slacktard]

If he wants to resign then why does it matter?

You can't get him otherwise. No cap space.

Sure we can. Why do you think Morey has a deal in place w/OKC to clear Harris?

Plan A: Nets play ball and make a reasonable trade now.

Plan B: Clear Simmons and Tobias in the offseason. Then sign Harden outright leaving the Nets w/NOTHING.

If you trade Harris now you will ruin any chance you have of competing this year.

Not to mention Simmons can force his way to Brooklyn.

Rich Paul is very good at getting his clients where he wants.

Just like Harden wants Sixers. Simmons wants Brooklyn.

Good luck convincing him to go toil away in Detroit or Orlando. He will threaten to not report and they won't take him.

We are getting Simmons no matter what.

Simmons wants to be on the West Coast so going to Brooklyn *IS NOT* what he wants.

Also if Rich Paul is so good why has Ben SImmons lost out on millions of dollars this year? If Rich Paul was as good as you said they would have ENDED the season with Simmons talking about 'mental health' and set the stage to be able to actually get his paycheck this year.

[Arsenal]

If he wants to resign then why does it matter?

You can't get him otherwise. No cap space.

Sure we can. Why do you think Morey has a deal in place w/OKC to clear Harris?

Plan A: Nets play ball and make a reasonable trade now.

Plan B: Clear Simmons and Tobias in the offseason. Then sign Harden outright leaving the Nets w/NOTHING.

If you trade Harris now you will ruin any chance you have of competing this year.

Not to mention Simmons can force his way to Brooklyn.

Rich Paul is very good at getting his clients where he wants.

Just like Harden wants Sixers. Simmons wants Brooklyn.

Good luck convincing him to go toil away in Detroit or Orlando. He will threaten to not report and they won't take him.

We are getting Simmons no matter what.

Simmons can't force anything for 4 years.

Harden OTOH can force his way to PHI this summer.

Which is why the Nets are interested in a deal now.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Dont even have to trade Ben for Harden. Can just trade tobi for Harden because harden wants to play for sixers

Ben wants to play for the Nets.

You are delusional if you think drama loving Simmons will happily go play for the Orlando Magic.

Hes coming to Brooklyn. Rich Paul is one the case.

[poultryfan]

According Windhorst, they're "in deal zone" and supposedly Harden wants it done too.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265742/Nets-76ers-In-Deal-Zone-On-James-Harden-For-Ben-Simmons-Trade

[thinktank]

That should be the minimum starting point for the Nets or the Sixers shouldn’t bother even engaging them. I can’t believe the Nets are sounding like an amateur organization here being pressured into a move by the Sixers an, organization that has a player that’s currently sitting out and has asked for a trade.

Um, Harden is also demanding a trade and I believe those reports that say he’ll sit out the rest of the year.

Nash has come out and said they aren’t trading Harden. Reports are that KD wants Harden to stay. Reports are Harden is willing to at least try it out the rest of the season. I haven’t seen any reports that Harden has demanded a trade. Yes he’s frustrated and I don’t blame him for having to play with an unvaxxd idiot Kyrie, but that’s a far cry from asking for a trade.

Nash is not the GM and trade talks are continuing.

Why would trade talks be continuing if there is was no chance Harden would be traded?

Why has Harden been the only one who hasn’t talked so far?

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

[stormi]

#FreeHarden

[Hello Brooklyn]

You're halfway thru the 5 stages of grief and on bargaining there. My guess is if a trade happens you'll be into depression and then hopefully hit acceptance.

The only one depressed will be the team paying fat ass, hamstring ridden Harden 200 million dollars.

You: "fat ass, hamstring ridden Harden"
Also you: We should get everything for him!

We do.

Because nobody else wants Simmons.

Its called leverage.

[stormi]

Because nobody else wants Simmons.

Read on Twitter

Morey passed on a tonne of deals because he knew his baby James Harden was coming home.

[Pointgod]

Wrong. At worst they lose Harden for nothing in the summer.

That's why they're negotiating now.

Sixers can’t sign him outright and would have to use additional assets to clear capspace for Harris and Simmons. And any smart team would not let them dump salaries at a cheap price. If they were going to spend assets anyways to clear capspace why not just use that in a sign and trade involving Simmons and Harden or just do a trade straight up? Nets are in the drivers seat because Sixers don’t have the space.

Technically they can trade Simmons for future picks, stretch Tobias Harris to where he's costing about $15m a year for the next 5 years and then just dumping someone like say Korkmaz for 2nd and then sign Harden outright.

That's not the 'ideal' scenario. But it is possible to sign Harden without trading Harris if they can't find absolutely any takers for him. It's also possible to trade Harris and take back $10m-$15m in salary and make the Kokmaz move and have enough space to sign Harden. So it doesn't need to necessarily be a Harris off the books completely deal either.

My guess is one of the biggest reasons Morey is talking to teams about Harris *RIGHT NOW* is to show the Nets it's not as impossible to 'dump' Harris as they may want to say it is to use as leverage against the Sixers.

Or crazy idea. Sixers just trade Simmons for Harden straight up in the offseason. If Morey’s best offer is Simmons and Green right now and his worst offer in the summer is Simmons and Green, then why rush to get the trade now? It makes it sound like the Nets are backed in a corner, they’re really not. Remember Simmons isn’t even playing right now and trading for him could put the Nets out of the playoffs until Durant comes back. Durant/Harden + part time Kyrie is greater than Durant/Simmons + part time Kyrie.

[Arsenal]

According Windhorst, they're "in deal zone" and supposedly Harden wants it done too.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265742/Nets-76ers-In-Deal-Zone-On-James-Harden-For-Ben-Simmons-Trade

Harden wants out. He'll torpedo the Nets season if they don't move him now.

Nets have lost all leverage. Look for them to cave shortly.

#FreeHarden

[mksp]

Nets fans are gonna be really disappointed with the Harden return.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Get real. Nets have to pull the trigger now or they lose Harden for nothing in the offseason.

There's no way they can hold out for a ridiculous haul like that.

You guys keep acting like you can sign Harden outright.

Once the off season hits your only choice will be to trade us Simmons.

Unless you move Harris now. Which will torpedo your season. And force you to give up Harris in the process.

No, in the offseason Morey would rather clear Simmons + Harris then sign Harden outright. That's why he's been lining up deals for cap.

He's only entertaining a trade now to get an additional playoff run w/Harden.

There is no shot of clearing space in the off season.

Not team will take 40 million of Harris with no contracts coming back.

Only way is to trade Harris now.

And thats assuming Simmons will go to where you send him. I don't see him going to Orlando or Detroit.

Rich Paul will get him to Brooklyn.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Sure we can. Why do you think Morey has a deal in place w/OKC to clear Harris?

Plan A: Nets play ball and make a reasonable trade now.

Plan B: Clear Simmons and Tobias in the offseason. Then sign Harden outright leaving the Nets w/NOTHING.

If you trade Harris now you will ruin any chance you have of competing this year.

Not to mention Simmons can force his way to Brooklyn.

Rich Paul is very good at getting his clients where he wants.

Just like Harden wants Sixers. Simmons wants Brooklyn.

Good luck convincing him to go toil away in Detroit or Orlando. He will threaten to not report and they won't take him.

We are getting Simmons no matter what.

Simmons wants to be on the West Coast so going to Brooklyn *IS NOT* what he wants.

Also if Rich Paul is so good why has Ben SImmons lost out on millions of dollars this year? If Rich Paul was as good as you said they would have ENDED the season with Simmons talking about 'mental health' and set the stage to be able to actually get his paycheck this year.

But you can't get Simmons to the West Coast.

Your only options are Orlando, Detroit or San Antonio. He won't play for any of them.

Rich Paul is playing the long game. He got AD to LA. He will get Simmons to Brooklyn.

Simmons can just tell those teams he won't report. And they will believe him. Why take the risk?

You think its worth it to give up your cap for someone who doesn't want to play for you?

[Bornstellar]

Man, I'm going to have to eat a huge crow sandwich if Morey pulls this deal off.

Remains to be seen if this is a good move though. Harden is declining and has clearly lost a step and is not the same juggernaut he was just 3 years ago. If trading for him guarantees that max extension this may not be the smartest of moves but hey, if you can get a theoretically better player than Simmons that can play with Embiid, pull the trigger.

[bebopdeluxe]

Sixers have to make it worth it.

They need it done more than we do. Simmons is a non-asset for them. Whereas Harden will still be playing for us.

Simmons, Maxey and Thybulle is what I want.

You're halfway thru the 5 stages of grief and on bargaining there. My guess is if a trade happens you'll be into depression and then hopefully hit acceptance.

The only one depressed will be the team paying fat ass, hamstring ridden Harden 200 million dollars.

Good luck.

Hmm. This seems like a bit of a change in take from you. A couple of weeks ago, I think you would have been fine paying fat ass Harden 200 million.

Am I wrong here?

[mksp]

You guys keep acting like you can sign Harden outright.

Once the off season hits your only choice will be to trade us Simmons.

Unless you move Harris now. Which will torpedo your season. And force you to give up Harris in the process.

No, in the offseason Morey would rather clear Simmons + Harris then sign Harden outright. That's why he's been lining up deals for cap.

He's only entertaining a trade now to get an additional playoff run w/Harden.

There is no shot of clearing space in the off season.

Not team will take 40 million of Harris with no contracts coming back.

Only way is to trade Harris now.

And thats assuming Simmons will go to where you send him. I don't see him going to Orlando or Detroit.

Rich Paul will get him to Brooklyn.

For Harden yes, we agree. That's literally what everybody here is saying. Both teams are incentivized to make this deal. You're just not also getting Thybulle or Maxey.

[Pointgod]

Um, Harden is also demanding a trade and I believe those reports that say he’ll sit out the rest of the year.

Nash has come out and said they aren’t trading Harden. Reports are that KD wants Harden to stay. Reports are Harden is willing to at least try it out the rest of the season. I haven’t seen any reports that Harden has demanded a trade. Yes he’s frustrated and I don’t blame him for having to play with an unvaxxd idiot Kyrie, but that’s a far cry from asking for a trade.

Nash is not the GM and trade talks are continuing.

Why would trade talks be continuing if there is was no chance Harden would be traded?

Why has Harden been the only one who hasn’t talked so far?

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

Because the Nets want to see what they can get for him. The idea that the Nets “have to trade Harden” and take the worst deal in the process is idiotic, when they could literally get the same deal in the summer if the best Morey is offering is Simmons and Green which is pretty laughable.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Sure we can. Why do you think Morey has a deal in place w/OKC to clear Harris?

Plan A: Nets play ball and make a reasonable trade now.

Plan B: Clear Simmons and Tobias in the offseason. Then sign Harden outright leaving the Nets w/NOTHING.

If you trade Harris now you will ruin any chance you have of competing this year.

Not to mention Simmons can force his way to Brooklyn.

Rich Paul is very good at getting his clients where he wants.

Just like Harden wants Sixers. Simmons wants Brooklyn.

Good luck convincing him to go toil away in Detroit or Orlando. He will threaten to not report and they won't take him.

We are getting Simmons no matter what.

Simmons can't force anything for 4 years.

Harden OTOH can force his way to PHI this summer.

Which is why the Nets are interested in a deal now.

Simmons can threaten not to report. Pressure them not to trade for him.

Why would any team want to deal with that drama?

Not worth it at all.

This is again only if you torpedo your season by giving up Harris and multiple picks before the deadline.

[Slacktard]

Sixers can’t sign him outright and would have to use additional assets to clear capspace for Harris and Simmons. And any smart team would not let them dump salaries at a cheap price. If they were going to spend assets anyways to clear capspace why not just use that in a sign and trade involving Simmons and Harden or just do a trade straight up? Nets are in the drivers seat because Sixers don’t have the space.

Technically they can trade Simmons for future picks, stretch Tobias Harris to where he's costing about $15m a year for the next 5 years and then just dumping someone like say Korkmaz for 2nd and then sign Harden outright.

That's not the 'ideal' scenario. But it is possible to sign Harden without trading Harris if they can't find absolutely any takers for him. It's also possible to trade Harris and take back $10m-$15m in salary and make the Kokmaz move and have enough space to sign Harden. So it doesn't need to necessarily be a Harris off the books completely deal either.

My guess is one of the biggest reasons Morey is talking to teams about Harris *RIGHT NOW* is to show the Nets it's not as impossible to 'dump' Harris as they may want to say it is to use as leverage against the Sixers.

Or crazy idea. Sixers just trade Simmons for Harden straight up in the offseason. If Morey’s best offer is Simmons and Green right now and his worst offer in the summer is Simmons and Green, then why rush to get the trade now? It makes it sound like the Nets are backed in a corner, they’re really not. Remember Simmons isn’t even playing right now and trading for him could put the Nets out of the playoffs until Durant comes back. Durant/Harden + part time Kyrie is greater than Durant/Simmons + part time Kyrie.

There's no guarantee Ben Simmons will still be available as a return to the Nets in the summer. If Morey has set the stage to be able to flip Harris & picks for cap space at that point what incentive is there to trade Ben Simmons for Harden? He can trade Ben SImmons to another team, create cap room, maybe get a player and picks back and then sign Harden. Then at that time it will be up to the Nets whether they want to do a 'save a little face' type of S&T to get back a pick or something and Harden is 'happier' just from getting a higher starting salary or bigger increases from bird rights.

[Sakkreth]

Hopefully this doesn't get done and neither gets traded. Would be damn funny