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Re: Why do so many Lakers fans hate LeBron? 

Post#101 » by kazyv » Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:49 pm

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The Laker Kid wrote:I don’t ‘hate’ him, just not a big fan. He came here when he was washed when he could’ve teamed up with Kobe when he was younger. And I’m tired of the narrative that people say here all the time: “Lakers were trash, they were lucky Lebron wanted to go there” Please. He can take his mickey mouse ring and give it to your team, maybe you’ll be happy. We were perfectly fine before him and we will be fine after him.

Also sick of people saying he’s surpassed Kobe. Maybe in your mind, sure. But please put your feet in our shoes. We’ve watched Kobe since he was 17, no one’s gonna replace that love. I hope that’s reasonable and understandable. Lebron will never be at Kobe’s level to Laker fans.


People say that because for 6 years in a row the Lakers missed the playoffs, and the year before that they got swept in the first round. Sure in the grand scheme of things the Lakers have plenty of championships, but over that 7 year period they looked pretty damn bad.


in case you missed it, lebron was part of those 6 years. and if we're counting first round exits and assume this year too, he's been part of a very bleak 10 year streak, that was interrupted for a brief disneyland vacation. see? lebron did bring continuity to the lakers. 10 years of tanking and first round exists and he's about to contribute his third
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Re: Why do so many Lakers fans hate LeBron? 

Post#102 » by payton2kemp » Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:00 pm

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G35 wrote:Because Lebron is only loyal to himself and he has put the Lakers in the position they are in right now. Anyone with half a brain could have seen this coming.

How has Lebron left every other franchise he has been on...did he leave those franchises in better or worse positions.....
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Imagine being a Miami or Cleveland fan and being mad at a player for the shake of a team after 4 straight finals runs and championship(s). I assume you're just trolling because that is senseless.


As a Miami fan, I have every right to be angry. IN 2010, Miami DID NOT NEED LEBRON.

Wade + Bosh + another max contract would have won 2 championships with Wade leading the way. Wade was an incredible player before his knees died on him.

Lebron came down here, made cringe comment after cringe comment, predicted 8 championships, crapped the bed in 2011, and then we had to have the entire team sit back and take a role player role to let Lebron "shine"..... and then when it didn't suit Lebron anymore, he ditched us.

Ya'll act like Lebron did Miami a favor. It the opposite. Miami rescued Lebron from rotting away in Cleveland with those terrible rosters and contracts in 2010. Where was lebron going to go? The Knicks?


lol whose the 3rd star you're getting. There is no way Miami wins anything without Lebron, he was at his peak, probably the second greatest player of all time. Wade was always getting injured.

this is such a pipe dream. What did Bosh/Wade do when Lebron lol?
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Re: Why do so many Lakers fans hate LeBron? 

Post#103 » by LAL1947 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:18 pm

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Grumpy Heat Fan wrote:
TokeBulls wrote:Imagine being a Miami or Cleveland fan and being mad at a player for the shake of a team after 4 straight finals runs and championship(s). I assume you're just trolling because that is senseless.


As a Miami fan, I have every right to be angry. IN 2010, Miami DID NOT NEED LEBRON.

Wade + Bosh + another max contract would have won 2 championships with Wade leading the way. Wade was an incredible player before his knees died on him.

Lebron came down here, made cringe comment after cringe comment, predicted 8 championships, crapped the bed in 2011, and then we had to have the entire team sit back and take a role player role to let Lebron "shine"..... and then when it didn't suit Lebron anymore, he ditched us.

Ya'll act like Lebron did Miami a favor. It the opposite. Miami rescued Lebron from rotting away in Cleveland with those terrible rosters and contracts in 2010. Where was lebron going to go? The Knicks?


lol whose the 3rd star you're getting. There is no way Miami wins anything without Lebron, he was at his peak, probably the second greatest player of all time. Wade was always getting injured.

this is such a pipe dream. What did Bosh/Wade do when Lebron lol?

Miami Heat fans can be funny. Some get a little too big for their team's boots and think they're fans of the Lakers or Celtics. :naaa:

Wade had 5 minutes of fame when Shaq sabotaged Kobe's prime with that trade demand to the Heat, getting diddly squat back for the Lakers... then nada once Kobe got crewed up again. Then they had another 15 minutes of fame only because Lebron joined them, making that super-team with Wade and Bosh. "Miami rescued Lebron"? Lol, more like Lebron rescued Dwyane Wade and Miami.
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Re: Why do so many Lakers fans hate LeBron? 

Post#104 » by Frank Dux » Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:21 pm

It has nothing to do with being insecure about Lebron being better than Kobe.

1. Lebron being a CCP shill, and slamming Morey for speaking out against China and their awful human right's record.
2. Advocating for the Westbrook trade
3. Being a diva during all star weekend, revealing he has one foot out the door, putting hit pieces out about the Lakers front office in the media, and just being an overall huge distraction, all while being the guy who created this mess by signing off off the Westbrook trade.

Lebron is a great player, top three all time. But he does some really toxic ****, and he hasn’t won enough here to warrant the baggage. out of his four seasons here, only one can be considered a success.

I just think he rubs people the wrong way, and when you’re not winning, fans run out of patience fast.
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Re: Why do so many Lakers fans hate LeBron? 

Post#105 » by LAL1947 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:29 pm

Frank Dux wrote:It has nothing to do with being insecure about Lebron being better than Kobe.

1. Lebron being a CCP shill, and slamming Morey for speaking out against China and their awful human right's record.
2. Advocating for the Westbrook trade
3. Being a diva during all star weekend, revealing he has one foot out the door, putting hit pieces out about the Lakers front office in the media, and just being an overall huge distraction, all while being the guy who created this mess by signing off off the Westbrook trade.

Lebron is a great player, top three all time. But he does some really toxic ****, and he hasn’t won enough here to warrant the baggage. out of his four seasons here, only one can be considered a success.

I just think he rubs people the wrong way, and when you’re not winning, fans run out of patience fast.

Good list. May I add #4 and #5?

4. The Decision.
5. Claiming on CNN that people did not like The Decision because of racism. :crazy:

I've been an advocate of Lebron needing to shut up and dribble ever since that time, not the more recent hullabaloos. We didn't like The Decision because it was just stupid, nothing else. To suggest otherwise was pure narcissism and lacking in self-awareness.
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Re: Why do so many Lakers fans hate LeBron? 

Post#106 » by KyRo23 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:37 pm

therealozzykhan wrote:
Grumpy Heat Fan wrote:
TokeBulls wrote:Imagine being a Miami or Cleveland fan and being mad at a player for the shake of a team after 4 straight finals runs and championship(s). I assume you're just trolling because that is senseless.


As a Miami fan, I have every right to be angry. IN 2010, Miami DID NOT NEED LEBRON.

Wade + Bosh + another max contract would have won 2 championships with Wade leading the way. Wade was an incredible player before his knees died on him.

Lebron came down here, made cringe comment after cringe comment, predicted 8 championships, crapped the bed in 2011, and then we had to have the entire team sit back and take a role player role to let Lebron "shine"..... and then when it didn't suit Lebron anymore, he ditched us.

Ya'll act like Lebron did Miami a favor. It the opposite. Miami rescued Lebron from rotting away in Cleveland with those terrible rosters and contracts in 2010. Where was lebron going to go? The Knicks?


lol whose the 3rd star you're getting. There is no way Miami wins anything without Lebron, he was at his peak, probably the second greatest player of all time. Wade was always getting injured.

this is such a pipe dream. What did Bosh/Wade do when Lebron lol?


I guess he just means the title they lost to Dallas because Wade was actually Wade that a 3rd star in the finals may have been better than LeBron. This might be true, they may get past Dallas with a 3rd star, but it depends and is totally not worth the argument lol. They ended up winning 2 AFTER that anyways. So are they trying to say that they may win against Dallas then lost the next 3? So is 1 greater than 2? Doesn't make a lick of sense :lol:
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Re: Why do so many Lakers fans hate LeBron? 

Post#107 » by thebigbird » Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:04 pm

LAL1947 wrote:
thebigbird wrote:Because he’s so much better than Kobe and the Kobe fanboys can’t accept that.

I think Kobe was the better individual player (more talent and skills) but Lebron has stat-padded and super-teamed his way into having a greater career (in terms of longevity, stat totals and winning with 3 different teams), which is the main reason why he deserves to be over Kobe in the all-time lists.

Lmao absolutely not. Kobe’s numbers pale in comparison to LeBron, and I’m not talking about cumulative stats. You don’t “stat pad” your way to better playoff numbers on better efficiency lmao.
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Post#108 » by LAL1947 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:08 pm

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LAL1947 wrote:
thebigbird wrote:Because he’s so much better than Kobe and the Kobe fanboys can’t accept that.

I think Kobe was the better individual player (more talent and skills) but Lebron has stat-padded and super-teamed his way into having a greater career (in terms of longevity, stat totals and winning with 3 different teams), which is the main reason why he deserves to be over Kobe in the all-time lists.

Lmao absolutely not. Kobe’s numbers pale in comparison to LeBron, and I’m not talking about cumulative stats. You don’t “stat pad” your way to better playoff numbers on better efficiency lmao.

"Lebron-ball" is definitely a way to stat-pad in any scenario, especially if you're large/athletic enough to create mismatches... and I mean any scenario: whether you're on a good or bad team, whether you're playing with old or young guys, whether it's in the regular or playoff season, whether your team is winning or losing.

At the end of the day he still has less rings than MJ and Kobe, and both were more talented and more skilled.
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Re: Why do so many Lakers fans hate LeBron? 

Post#109 » by thebigbird » Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:12 pm

LAL1947 wrote:
thebigbird wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:I think Kobe was the better individual player (more talent and skills) but Lebron has stat-padded and super-teamed his way into having a greater career (in terms of longevity, stat totals and winning with 3 different teams), which is the main reason why he deserves to be over Kobe in the all-time lists.

Lmao absolutely not. Kobe’s numbers pale in comparison to LeBron, and I’m not talking about cumulative stats. You don’t “stat pad” your way to better playoff numbers on better efficiency lmao.

"Lebron-ball" is definitely a way to stat-pad in any scenario, especially if you're large enough to create mismatches... and I mean any scenario: whether you're on a good or bad team, whether you're playing with old or young guys, whether it's in the regular or playoff season, whether your team is winning or losing. At the end of the day, he still has less rings than MJ and Kobe.

As if Kobe was this unselfish, pass-first guy :lol:

LeBron didn’t get to play with peak Shaq, and yet he still has twice as many FMVPs as Kobe. There’s zero argument for Kobe being the better player. None. That argument ended years ago.
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Post#110 » by LAL1947 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:15 pm

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thebigbird wrote:Lmao absolutely not. Kobe’s numbers pale in comparison to LeBron, and I’m not talking about cumulative stats. You don’t “stat pad” your way to better playoff numbers on better efficiency lmao.

"Lebron-ball" is definitely a way to stat-pad in any scenario, especially if you're large enough to create mismatches... and I mean any scenario: whether you're on a good or bad team, whether you're playing with old or young guys, whether it's in the regular or playoff season, whether your team is winning or losing. At the end of the day, he still has less rings than MJ and Kobe.

As if Kobe was this unselfish, pass-first guy :lol:

LeBron didn’t get to play with peak Shaq, and yet he still has twice as many FMVPs as Kobe. There’s zero argument for Kobe being the better player. None. That argument ended years ago.

Kobe was not selfless but at least he didn't make his team-mates stand around in the corner looking like muppets to create space for himself, like Lebron needs his team-mates to do because he doesn't have Kobe's talent or skills.

And that sentence about FMVPs makes no sense at all. If Lebron played with prime Shaq, then it would have been Shaq who won those FMVPs and Lebron would have less as well. Anyway, Kobe could have easily been the FMVP in 2001-02... and should have been the MVP in at least 2 of these 3 years IMHO: 2002-03, 2005-06 and 2006-07... but was robbed of those individual accolades.

AFAIC, Kobe wasn't just a better individual player but also a better showman and entertainer too.
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Re: Why do so many Lakers fans hate LeBron? 

Post#111 » by Kilroy » Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:16 pm

thebigbird wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:
thebigbird wrote:Lmao absolutely not. Kobe’s numbers pale in comparison to LeBron, and I’m not talking about cumulative stats. You don’t “stat pad” your way to better playoff numbers on better efficiency lmao.

"Lebron-ball" is definitely a way to stat-pad in any scenario, especially if you're large enough to create mismatches... and I mean any scenario: whether you're on a good or bad team, whether you're playing with old or young guys, whether it's in the regular or playoff season, whether your team is winning or losing. At the end of the day, he still has less rings than MJ and Kobe.

As if Kobe was this unselfish, pass-first guy :lol:

LeBron didn’t get to play with peak Shaq, and yet he still has twice as many FMVPs as Kobe. There’s zero argument for Kobe being the better player. None. That argument ended years ago.


I mean... We're not going to get into all the peak players each guy played with, are we? Not sure Kobe "Wins" in that regard...
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Re: Why do so many Lakers fans hate LeBron? 

Post#112 » by Hans1984 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:19 pm

He's not Kobe. That's why.
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Re: Why do so many Lakers fans hate LeBron? 

Post#113 » by John Murdoch » Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:22 pm

We dont hate him, we just dont love him. Its more like paying off a hooker than it is a real relationship
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Post#114 » by LAL1947 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:24 pm

John Murdoch wrote:We dont hate him, we just dont love him. Its more like paying off a hooker than it is a real relationship

Hahaha, that made me chuckle. Probably the most expensive one in history too. :P
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Post#115 » by The4thHorseman » Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:29 pm

LAL1947 wrote:
thebigbird wrote:
LAL1947 wrote:I think Kobe was the better individual player (more talent and skills) but Lebron has stat-padded and super-teamed his way into having a greater career (in terms of longevity, stat totals and winning with 3 different teams), which is the main reason why he deserves to be over Kobe in the all-time lists.

Lmao absolutely not. Kobe’s numbers pale in comparison to LeBron, and I’m not talking about cumulative stats. You don’t “stat pad” your way to better playoff numbers on better efficiency lmao.

"Lebron-ball" is definitely a way to stat-pad in any scenario, especially if you're large enough to create mismatches... and I mean any scenario: whether you're on a good or bad team, whether you're playing with old or young guys, whether it's in the regular or playoff season, whether your team is winning or losing.

At the end of the day he still has less rings than MJ and Kobe, and both were more talented and more skilled.

How many titles does Kobe get if he lets New Jersey draft him 8th overall like Calipari wanted to?

Does LeBron win any titles that he's lost, if he put up 16ppg on 35% shooting like Kobe did in 2000?
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Post#116 » by twyzted » Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:33 pm

Joao Saraiva wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:also he has a very weird little army of minions. many of them are on this board. especially the PC board where you cannot say a negative thing about him without getting jumped. thats not good for your likeability. which is funny because LeBron himself isn't too sensitive to that stuff


The PC Board likes LeBron because a ton of evidence goes arround in there. So if you bring a statement you should back it up, if it's just narrative people will show you're wrong. Talk like "killer instinct" and all that mambo jambo narrative won't go welll in the PC Board.


No the pc board is de-facto Lebron board.
Ive seen people threatened with a ban from the board because they criticized Lebron.
The Lebron thread was locked over there because of mild criticism on Lebron.
2 guys got warning because of “trolling/derailing”
One because he criticised the holy pc top100 list.
Im kinda amazed that i got away without a warning.

But the guy who called another poster stupid and said he wasnt welcome on the board because he didnt join in the Lebron praise train didnt even get warning :lol:

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Re: Why do so many Lakers fans hate LeBron? 

Post#117 » by sp6r=underrated » Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:36 pm

Growing up in NY I saw this play out a generation ago. Jeter and ARod were rivals but all advanced metrics said ARod was better. A subset of Yankee fans who were hardcore Jeter fans never fully warmed to ARod and blamed him whenever things went bad. The Yankees, by their insane standards, had a down period in the ARod era.

Lebron and Kobe were media created rivals. All advanced metrics favor Lebron. Lebron is the first superstar Lakers have had since Kobe. The subset of Laker fans who are hardcore Kobe fans find it hard to warm to Lebron and blame him when things go poorly. The Lakers by their insane standard consider 1 title in 4 years fairly mediocre if it is paired with missed playoffs/1st round exits
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Post#118 » by LAL1947 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:38 pm

twyzted wrote:One because he criticised the holy pc top100 list.

That would be me, hehe. :D

In fairness to the mods though, I deserved that temporary ban because my criticism wasn't constructive and was too trollish. All of the current mods on RealGM seem like very cool people. I can't imagine the headaches they have to endure while moderating us yet letting discussion flow. :P
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Re: Why do so many Lakers fans hate LeBron? 

Post#119 » by Lou Fan » Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:43 pm

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As a Miami fan, I have every right to be angry. IN 2010, Miami DID NOT NEED LEBRON.

Wade + Bosh + another max contract would have won 2 championships with Wade leading the way. Wade was an incredible player before his knees died on him.

Lebron came down here, made cringe comment after cringe comment, predicted 8 championships, crapped the bed in 2011, and then we had to have the entire team sit back and take a role player role to let Lebron "shine"..... and then when it didn't suit Lebron anymore, he ditched us.

Ya'll act like Lebron did Miami a favor. It the opposite. Miami rescued Lebron from rotting away in Cleveland with those terrible rosters and contracts in 2010. Where was lebron going to go? The Knicks?

So where was LeBron going to be all those seasons? You assuming LeBron would just stay in Cleveland? Why wouldn't he also join a superior cast, and LeBron is the best and most durable of those three players. Come on, lol.


What's a superior cast? There were no players available in 2010 remotely as talented as Wade or Bosh. If Lebron went to New York or Chicago that team gets clowned by Miami and probably Boston for a few years.

You don't think a Chicago team with Lebron, Rose, Noah, and Deng could win a title?
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Re: Why do so many Lakers fans hate LeBron? 

Post#120 » by KembaWalker » Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:46 pm

twyzted wrote:
Joao Saraiva wrote:
KembaWalker wrote:also he has a very weird little army of minions. many of them are on this board. especially the PC board where you cannot say a negative thing about him without getting jumped. thats not good for your likeability. which is funny because LeBron himself isn't too sensitive to that stuff


The PC Board likes LeBron because a ton of evidence goes arround in there. So if you bring a statement you should back it up, if it's just narrative people will show you're wrong. Talk like "killer instinct" and all that mambo jambo narrative won't go welll in the PC Board.


No the pc board is de-facto Lebron board.
Ive seen people threatened with a ban from the board because they criticized Lebron.
The Lebron thread was locked over there because of mild criticism on Lebron.
2 guys got warning because of “trolling/derailing”
One because he criticised the holy pc top100 list.
Im kinda amazed that i got away without a warning.

But the guy who called another poster stupid and said he wasnt welcome on the board because he didnt join in the Lebron praise train didnt even get warning :lol:


Personal insults get nothing, criticizing LeBron gets a "derailing warning"

In a LeBron thread

Posting about MJ vs LeBron gets a derailing warning in the LeBron thread of a player comparison board

5 pages of bashing Westbrook and Davis gets 1000 and1s
That place needs a new name

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