MVP will be determined by tomorrow's Embiid v Jokic showdown

Cubbies2120 · Post #101 » by **Cubbies2120** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:37 am

Sixers fans in full spin mode :lol:

We saw some incredible assists and plays, we saw that Embiid literally cannot defend him without fouling him. Jokic just too skilled, a 1-on-1 defense is impossible. Jokic also too smart to foul Embiid and limit himself being able to stay on the court.

Tottery · Post #102 » by **Tottery** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:37 am

I stopped watching because I thought a blow out was gonna happen lol.

AleksandarN · Post #103 » by **AleksandarN** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:40 am

AussieCeltic wrote:Did anyone watch the game and the strategy that Nuggets implemented? They were getting burned by 3's (Sixers 5/7) early by leaving Thybulle so they decided to let Jokic leave Embiid to double Harden on the pick and roll. The help defense would then only hedge until Jokic could recover or partly recover. Malone wanted Embiid to be the one to score but no one else. It's a good strategy and it worked as the Sixers ended up going 7/26 the rest of thew ay from 3.

But people will say Jokic played no defense. Yet had 2 blocks and two steals. It is like they don't understand basic defensive strategies

AleksandarN · Post #104 » by **AleksandarN** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:43 am

eyeatoma wrote:
EH15 wrote:People still using one game +/-
Cherry picking which advanced stats further the Jokic narrative and which don't.

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Funny you don't use plus minus this season when talking about mvp race this year. Btw I think both played great. Philly has better starters Nuggets bench played better

Asian Celtic · Post #105 » by **Asian Celtic** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:51 am

Jokic

Wolfgang630 · Post #106 » by **Wolfgang630** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:52 am

AleksandarN wrote:
AussieCeltic wrote:Did anyone watch the game and the strategy that Nuggets implemented? They were getting burned by 3's (Sixers 5/7) early by leaving Thybulle so they decided to let Jokic leave Embiid to double Harden on the pick and roll. The help defense would then only hedge until Jokic could recover or partly recover. Malone wanted Embiid to be the one to score but no one else. It's a good strategy and it worked as the Sixers ended up going 7/26 the rest of thew ay from 3.

But people will say Jokic played no defense. Yet had 2 blocks and two steals. It is like they don't understand basic defensive strategies

Thank god someone here watched the game and what they kept doing. Embiid was open a good amount time and time again on purpose. This was the defensive plan

epfou1 · Post #107 » by **epfou1** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:52 am

And the winner is…Trae Young

TroubleS0me · Post #108 » by **TroubleS0me** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:53 am

Joker won the war
Embiid won the battle

Cubbies2120 · Post #109 » by **Cubbies2120** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:58 am

I for one am loving Embiid fans pulling out the “he had better +-“, you know, the same stat that they said is irrelevant because Jokic was setting all time records with it? :lol:

Misteclipse · Post #110 » by **Misteclipse** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:59 am

Jaqua92 wrote:Loads of denial and rationalizations to cope with the Embiid loss.

Jokic was better overall. I mentioned it in the game thread. His gravity as a passer is too much. Best player on the floor in the 4th when it mattered, baited Embiid into a foul, went at him for the game sealing bucket, and just the superior overall offensive game.

Don't understand how anyone can say Embiid outplayed him unless you look at box scores and scoring.

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Because most of us watched the game while you watched the box score. Jokic had a bunch of assists throwing to wide open cherry pickers. Congratulations to him. Our fast break defense is abysmal. Everyone knows this.

The worst team in the league took us to overtime last night doing the same ****. Embiid did whatever he wanted to Jokic and lost when Jokic got carried by his bench while our bench is utter ****. Embiid outplayed Jokic by a wide margin and none of us give a **** because unlike Nuggets fans worrying about meaningless ****, we have championship aspirations that ends with Doc Rivers being the head coach. Much worse problems for us to worry about.

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sp6r=underrated · Post #111 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:00 am

AleksandarN wrote:
AussieCeltic wrote:Did anyone watch the game and the strategy that Nuggets implemented? They were getting burned by 3's (Sixers 5/7) early by leaving Thybulle so they decided to let Jokic leave Embiid to double Harden on the pick and roll. The help defense would then only hedge until Jokic could recover or partly recover. Malone wanted Embiid to be the one to score but no one else. It's a good strategy and it worked as the Sixers ended up going 7/26 the rest of thew ay from 3.

But people will say Jokic played no defense. Yet had 2 blocks and two steals. It is like they don't understand basic defensive strategies

Jokic defense gets underrated because people look at him and assume he must suck defensively just like they look at him and say he's a good offensive player rather than historically great

eathb_au · Post #112 » by **eathb_au** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:06 am

One plays with Maxey, Harden and Harris.

The other is maintaining a very close record to the above with his second option averaging 13ppg.

IMO it's not even close who is more "valuable".

Misteclipse · Post #113 » by **Misteclipse** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:07 am

Cubbies2120 wrote:I for one am loving Embiid fans pulling out the “he had better +-“, you know, the same stat that they said is irrelevant because Jokic was setting all time records with it?

Shouldn't you be starting another crybaby thread about fouls? It's only been a few hours since your last one. Get to it.

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Woodsanity · Post #114 » by **Woodsanity** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:08 am

Nuggets playing guys like Jamychal Green, Nah shon Hyland, Jeff Green big minutes and Sixers cant win with "superstar" duo of Embiid + Harden. :lol:

sp6r=underrated · Post #115 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:10 am

eathb_au wrote:One plays with Maxey, Harden and Harris.

The other is maintaining a very close record to the above with his second option averaging 13ppg.

IMO it's not even close who is more "valuable".

In fairness to Embiid in a normal season he's an excellent MVP. It is just his misfortune to peak with a guy who playing at the levels reached by names like Lebron and Jordan.

I don't say that lightly.

Woodsanity · Post #116 » by **Woodsanity** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:11 am

Poor Harden when Embiid chokes in the playoffs again like every season he will be next scapegoat.

AleksandarN · Post #117 » by **AleksandarN** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:36 am

Woodsanity wrote:Poor Harden when Embiid chokes in the playoffs again like every season he will be next scapegoat.

Poor Harden? More like poor Embiid. Harden chokes in the playoffs not Embiid

Wolfgang630 · Post #118 » by **Wolfgang630** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:42 am

Woodsanity wrote:Poor Harden when Embiid chokes in the playoffs again like every season he will be next scapegoat.

I think you got the names switched.

Pistol_Pete · Post #119 » by **Pistol_Pete** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:48 am

Lol at the fanbases here. So many butthurt men.

Two great players beasting. Enjoy the race, they both deserve MVP to be honest, but Jokic just a tad more IMO. Just my opinion boys, relax :wink:

youngthegiant · Post #120 » by **youngthegiant** » Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:52 am

eyeatoma wrote:Jokic was a -9. Embiid dominated him. Nuggets won because of Bones Hyland and Doc taking Embiid out twice when he was cooking.

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Jokic was a +4 in the second half.