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Post#101 » by rickbrunson » Wed Mar 23, 2022 2:36 pm

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Has he lost 50 pounds? He's absolutely at an unhealthy body weight. And heavy guys, even lean ones with foot issues have serious concerns. The fact he's carrying a spare tire isn't helpful at all.

He's lost weight but he's literally never losing 50 pounds (or should ever). Unless he was ever upwards of 320 which i doubt. You can keep regurgitating this tired take but it doesn't hold water. 265 - 280 will always be his playing weight


He was 285 at Duke. He’s the second heaviest player in the league after Boban and Boban has 9 inches on him. If he wants a long career, he needs to get down to at least 250 or so. That’s approximately Lebron’s weight and Lebron is also taller.


Lebron is listed at 250, but there is absolutely no way he is actually 250. I would say 275 minimum, probably 285.

Remember, they listed Shaq at 330 when he was 400.
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Post#102 » by Que Rico » Wed Mar 23, 2022 2:37 pm

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In a Pels uniform or another uniform? That's the million dollar question..

Gun to my head, I'd say the latter.


Yall watch way too much national media wishcasting and don't know what you are talking about.


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Post#103 » by CIN-C-STAR » Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:40 pm

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NO-KG-AI wrote:to be clear, I think there is a rift with the organization and Zion, but I think it's the opposite of what is being implied. I think this video was a passive aggressive statement that he plans on playing, and if they hold him out, it's not because of him, it's because of whatever the reason they held him out extra long and insisted on minute restrictions when he was dominating as a rookie.


sounds like the anti-Kawhi. Kawhi fell out with organizations he felt were trying to force him to play when he wasn't ready. Zion may be falling out because he feels the team keeps him off the court.


That's actually not quite accurate.
The Spurs medical staff cleared him to play because they said his condition was chronic and would have to be managed throughout his career, not something that would ever heal completely.
But when he rejected that diagnosis and chose to rehab independently, it was reported that the organization offered to declare him out for the remainder of the season so he could focus on his rehab, but he didn't want that either. So I wouldn't say he thought they were trying to force him to play even if he disagreed with the medical staff's diagnosis.

Anyway, Kawhi fell out with the organization because he wanted to play in a larger market where he thought he would get bigger endorsement deals, he wanted more control within the organization, and, specifically, he wanted to play in LA which is near where he grew up.
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Post#104 » by sp6r=underrated » Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:51 pm

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NO-KG-AI wrote:to be clear, I think there is a rift with the organization and Zion, but I think it's the opposite of what is being implied. I think this video was a passive aggressive statement that he plans on playing, and if they hold him out, it's not because of him, it's because of whatever the reason they held him out extra long and insisted on minute restrictions when he was dominating as a rookie.


sounds like the anti-Kawhi. Kawhi fell out with organizations he felt were trying to force him to play when he wasn't ready. Zion may be falling out because he feels the team keeps him off the court.


That's actually not quite accurate.
The Spurs medical staff cleared him to play because they said his condition was chronic and would have to be managed throughout his career, not something that would ever heal completely.
But when he rejected that diagnosis and chose to rehab independently, it was reported that the organization offered to declare him out for the remainder of the season so he could focus on his rehab, but he didn't want that either. So I wouldn't say he thought they were trying to force him to play even if he disagreed with the medical staff's diagnosis.

Anyway, Kawhi fell out with the organization because he wanted to play in a larger market where he thought he would get bigger endorsement deals, he wanted more control within the organization, and, specifically, he wanted to play in LA which is near where he grew up.



There's a lot of truth to the fact he was hell bent on LA and was going to go there once he became a free agent no matter what. Toronto is a huge market, big endorsement opportunity being face of Canada and he still left for LA.

But I think it grew toxic with San Antonio, necessitating a trade due to falling out over how the injury was handled.

To put it otherwise, if Kawhi-San Antonio hadn't had falling out over the handling of his injury it would have a been a normal superstar departure rather than what went down.
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Post#105 » by CIN-C-STAR » Wed Mar 23, 2022 5:11 pm

sp6r=underrated wrote:
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sounds like the anti-Kawhi. Kawhi fell out with organizations he felt were trying to force him to play when he wasn't ready. Zion may be falling out because he feels the team keeps him off the court.


That's actually not quite accurate.
The Spurs medical staff cleared him to play because they said his condition was chronic and would have to be managed throughout his career, not something that would ever heal completely.
But when he rejected that diagnosis and chose to rehab independently, it was reported that the organization offered to declare him out for the remainder of the season so he could focus on his rehab, but he didn't want that either. So I wouldn't say he thought they were trying to force him to play even if he disagreed with the medical staff's diagnosis.

Anyway, Kawhi fell out with the organization because he wanted to play in a larger market where he thought he would get bigger endorsement deals, he wanted more control within the organization, and, specifically, he wanted to play in LA which is near where he grew up.



There's a lot of truth to the fact he was hell bent on LA and was going to go there once he became a free agent no matter what. Toronto is a huge market, big endorsement opportunity being face of Canada and he still left for LA.

But I think it grew toxic with San Antonio, necessitating a trade due to falling out over how the injury was handled.

To put it otherwise, if Kawhi-San Antonio hadn't had falling out over the handling of his injury it would have a been a normal superstar departure rather than what went down.


Definitely agree he was going to LA regardless as soon as he had the chance.
From my view the dispute over the injury was likely seen by his camp as that chance. Rather than waiting for free agency, this was an opportunity to expedite that exit without having to take the PR hit of demanding a trade from a successful, respected organization.
So I also agree the injury and the departure are inextricably linked, and I think reasonable minds can disagree on to what degree the injury was basically just an excuse to get what he ultimately wanted anyway, versus he actually felt betrayed by the handling of the injury and felt he needed to get out to protect himself. Because I do believe it was a mix of the two, even though personally I feel the former was the main driving point.
But yeah no superstar athlete in their prime wants to hear that they have a chronic condition and will have to manage it, including pain and discomfort, for the rest of their career, and it would only be human to question that diagnosis even if it turned out to be true (which I believe it has).
But even throughout it all he reportedly maintained a good relationship with Pop and even gave him the courtesy of a personal meeting before the trade despite not even taking phone calls from others in the organization. I could be wrong but I don't think he ever felt Pop was trying to force him to play, and Pop has as much or more sway in that organization as anybody.
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Post#107 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:17 pm

I'll just say this when it comes to Zion.

I think all parties involved deserve blame for this entire mess.

I think the Pels organization is at fault for babying him
I think Zion is at fault for not being a professional and taking care of his body
I think the national media is at fault from day 1 always trying to force him out of NO

With all that said, I'm done with any Zion news this year. He's not playing this season. When BI is healthy the new team of BI/CJ/Jonas is a very fun team to watch and root for. Love to see them make it out of the play in games and get a little bit of playoff experience.
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Post#108 » by G R E Y » Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:44 pm

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sounds like the anti-Kawhi. Kawhi fell out with organizations he felt were trying to force him to play when he wasn't ready. Zion may be falling out because he feels the team keeps him off the court.


That's actually not quite accurate.
The Spurs medical staff cleared him to play because they said his condition was chronic and would have to be managed throughout his career, not something that would ever heal completely.
But when he rejected that diagnosis and chose to rehab independently, it was reported that the organization offered to declare him out for the remainder of the season so he could focus on his rehab, but he didn't want that either. So I wouldn't say he thought they were trying to force him to play even if he disagreed with the medical staff's diagnosis.

Anyway, Kawhi fell out with the organization because he wanted to play in a larger market where he thought he would get bigger endorsement deals, he wanted more control within the organization, and, specifically, he wanted to play in LA which is near where he grew up.



There's a lot of truth to the fact he was hell bent on LA and was going to go there once he became a free agent no matter what. Toronto is a huge market, big endorsement opportunity being face of Canada and he still left for LA.

But I think it grew toxic with San Antonio, necessitating a trade due to falling out over how the injury was handled.

To put it otherwise, if Kawhi-San Antonio hadn't had falling out over the handling of his injury it would have a been a normal superstar departure rather than what went down.

Ok you just went from 'Spurs rushing him back' to 'how the injury was handled'. It's an important distinction, but one that has a broader context.

That the Spurs, long known for protecting and prolonging player careers by being overly conservative, rushed their star player back is as absurd now as it was in any point it has been previously asserted.

* Spurs kept #2 out during the PLAYOFFS when he hurt I think his ankle, despite his wanting to play.

* Spurs and #2's camp were in agreement to try to play in some games back in Jan. '18.

* Curious how #2's camp disagreed with the chronic tendinopathy diagnosis, sought several doctors, and it was the 8th (associated with 76ers) that gave alternate muscle ossification diagnosis. Yet now the chronic issue has been used by #2's camp for sitting out & is the accepted diagnosis.

* #2 got his own team of doctors from summer of 2017. So he played through POs, got his ankle injured, walked around fine in August promo tour in China in 2017, but by October he was limping because if his knee...

* The broader context I referred to was #2's camp causing rifts between the player and team as far back as 2016 (that we know of), from at least the time that then agent Brian Elfus was fired. Their camp wanted special treatment, wanted a say in organization decisions, were jealous of the perks Westbrook, for example, of all players, were getting, and with new management seeking a bigger market, the plan ensued.

This last point never gets mentioned despite being reported about by Woj, Wright, Shelburne, etc.

Zion's actually way closer to the #2 mold than was originally stated, organizational differences notwithstanding:

Family interference

Weirdo injury not healing right, organization has been shut out, team mates, too (until his recent return to the team. What a guy. Bad PR was building.)

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Post#109 » by sp6r=underrated » Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:48 pm

G R E Y wrote:Ok you just went from 'Spurs rushing him back' to 'how the injury was handled'. It's an important distinction, but one that has a broader context.


I never said this rush him back. I said he felt like they did. Original quote with emphasis below.

sounds like the anti-Kawhi. Kawhi fell out with organizations he felt were trying to force him to play when he wasn't ready. Zion may be falling out because he feels the team keeps him off the court.
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Post#110 » by NO-KG-AI » Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:49 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:I'll just say this when it comes to Zion.

I think all parties involved deserve blame for this entire mess.

I think the Pels organization is at fault for babying him
I think Zion is at fault for not being a professional and taking care of his body
I think the national media is at fault from day 1 always trying to force him out of NO

With all that said, I'm done with any Zion news this year. He's not playing this season. When BI is healthy the new team of BI/CJ/Jonas is a very fun team to watch and root for. Love to see them make it out of the play in games and get a little bit of playoff experience.


We have never agreed so much on a Pels issue as this singular post lol. :clap:

I do still hope he plays this year, just for his and the fanbases morale. But I'm not optimistic.
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Post#111 » by hippesthippo » Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:56 pm

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Jumped like there was a cheeseburger on that rim.


Am I the only one wondering why the lighting is so god awful for an obviously staged video?

Look closely through the shadows and the man boobs and droopy back are still there.

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Post#112 » by G R E Y » Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:56 pm

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G R E Y wrote:Ok you just went from 'Spurs rushing him back' to 'how the injury was handled'. It's an important distinction, but one that has a broader context.


I never said this rush him back. I said he felt like they did. Original quote with emphasis below.

sounds like the anti-Kawhi. Kawhi fell out with organizations he felt were trying to force him to play when he wasn't ready. Zion may be falling out because he feels the team keeps him off the court.

Awesome point, thanks. But this makes their position, and shifting narratives all the worse.

Feels rushed (even though they were in agreement about initially giving playing a go)

Then misdiagnosis thing took over

All the while broader context from at least 2016 loomed.

I repeat, Zion is more like #2 than not in how this is all developing between player and Pels.

I hope for the sake of the fans that he has a change of heart or whatever and gives this team a chance.
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Post#113 » by G R E Y » Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:07 pm

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That's actually not quite accurate.
The Spurs medical staff cleared him to play because they said his condition was chronic and would have to be managed throughout his career, not something that would ever heal completely.
But when he rejected that diagnosis and chose to rehab independently, it was reported that the organization offered to declare him out for the remainder of the season so he could focus on his rehab, but he didn't want that either. So I wouldn't say he thought they were trying to force him to play even if he disagreed with the medical staff's diagnosis.

Anyway, Kawhi fell out with the organization because he wanted to play in a larger market where he thought he would get bigger endorsement deals, he wanted more control within the organization, and, specifically, he wanted to play in LA which is near where he grew up.



There's a lot of truth to the fact he was hell bent on LA and was going to go there once he became a free agent no matter what. Toronto is a huge market, big endorsement opportunity being face of Canada and he still left for LA.

But I think it grew toxic with San Antonio, necessitating a trade due to falling out over how the injury was handled.

To put it otherwise, if Kawhi-San Antonio hadn't had falling out over the handling of his injury it would have a been a normal superstar departure rather than what went down.


Definitely agree he was going to LA regardless as soon as he had the chance.
From my view the dispute over the injury was likely seen by his camp as that chance. Rather than waiting for free agency, this was an opportunity to expedite that exit without having to take the PR hit of demanding a trade from a successful, respected organization.
So I also agree the injury and the departure are inextricably linked, and I think reasonable minds can disagree on to what degree the injury was basically just an excuse to get what he ultimately wanted anyway, versus he actually felt betrayed by the handling of the injury and felt he needed to get out to protect himself. Because I do believe it was a mix of the two, even though personally I feel the former was the main driving point.
But yeah no superstar athlete in their prime wants to hear that they have a chronic condition and will have to manage it, including pain and discomfort, for the rest of their career, and it would only be human to question that diagnosis even if it turned out to be true (which I believe it has).
But even throughout it all he reportedly maintained a good relationship with Pop and even gave him the courtesy of a personal meeting before the trade despite not even taking phone calls from others in the organization. I could be wrong but I don't think he ever felt Pop was trying to force him to play, and Pop has as much or more sway in that organization as anybody.

Actually #2 tried dodging a pre-arranged meeting in Cali that Pop flew out to (this while dealing with heavy personal issues, tying up ends in various places in US), and finally deigned to meet Pop, but not alone, only with his uncle in tow :roll:

Not sure what went down, but organization was apparently blind-sided by a subsequent public trade request.

Pop even mentioned some time afterwards the league's inconsistency when AD was fined for it but #2 was not.
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Post#114 » by Tor_Raps » Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:08 pm

The Pelicans have babied this guy since summer league of his rookie season. Get your fat ass back on the court asap and have the teams doctors monitor him carefully. If he can play 15 minutes for the team then go do so. Enough of this rest BS.
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Post#115 » by donato » Wed Mar 23, 2022 7:11 pm

Reportedly he's cleared for 1 on 1 practices and may play this season. Looks pretty good tbh.


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Post#116 » by JN61 » Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:54 pm

I get that dunk is hard but it really didn't look like he had lift there.
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Post#117 » by Marty McFly » Wed Mar 23, 2022 9:36 pm

donato wrote:Reportedly he's cleared for 1 on 1 practices and may play this season. Looks pretty good tbh.


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Post#118 » by Capn'O » Wed Mar 23, 2022 9:51 pm

He definitely looks better.
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Post#119 » by NO-KG-AI » Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:20 am

It is kinda telling of how this board feels about Zion and the Pels that if some nerd with no inside info or proof says Zion gained 50 pounds, it goes 40 pages, but when video comes out proving that it was all garbage and he looks fitter and healthier than all the reports were saying, this falls off the first page instantly.

I think people like imagining horrible things more than they like boring reality. :lol:

Edit: also “wow, Zion is hurt and gonna miss the year? The Pels need to trade him, he’s 350 pounds”

Same people: “wow, Zion is actually keeping in shape and progressing and could play? They need to trade this bum.”

PS, not so much a lot of people here, but a vocal portion here… but the national media’s coverage of Zion has been disgusting since the Pels won the lotto.
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Post#120 » by NO-KG-AI » Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:24 am

JN61 wrote:I get that dunk is hard but it really didn't look like he had lift there.


Oh for sure he didn’t get up like he usually does, but that dunk along with the other drills shows he’s in shape, and the ease of movement when going ip to dunk from a standstill shows that recovery is going well IMO. He shouldn’t be blasting off with full power yet probably. Just good to see him out there looking fluid and lean.
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