The Utah Jazz are done

[MarcusBrody]

so you get played off the court in the playoffs?

Gobert will put a cap on your team.

We just got played off the court now lol.

exactly, Gobert isn't the solution to that problem.

I think Gobert would be great on the Raps (depending on who they had to give up to get him). I honestly don't think he's the problem on the Jazz, playoffs or not. The issue is that the rest of the defense is terrible and with no one making it difficult for guards to utilize screens and no one providing much help if he gets beat, he's in an impossible situation. Put him on the Raps with a set of other plus defenders and suddenly he's fine and can do what makes him special. It's the reason that Gasol did so well on the Raps (even against guard dominant teams like the Warriors). It's the reason Brook Lopez is excellent in the Bucks defense (and is the difference between a ok and great defense). Neither of those guys were/are even as mobile as Gobert but they also weren't forced to try to play alone.

Basically long story short: if they didn't have to give up the farm, I think Gobert would be excellent on the Raps.

[User_friendly]

I'm sorry,but this team is playing with no heart whatsoever and they are getting their butts handed to them by a Dallas Mavericks team that features role players and no Luka Doncic. Downright sad. Dovovan Mitchall has shown he can't carry a team as the 1st option and sure hasn't looked like playoff Mitch that everyone hyped him to be a couple of years ago. Rudy Gobert has mostly been ineffective. Mike Conley is showing his age big time in this series. Jordan Clarkson has been fine,but not special. Bojan Bogdanović has been good at socring,but he shouldn't be your second option on offense. At this point,just rebuild already.Trade Mitchall for some young guys and 2-3 1st round picks (I have been hearing that the New York Knicks may be interested in him,so maybe they should ask for RJ Barrett, Obi Toppin, Mitchel Robinson and 2-3 first rounds picks in exchange for Mitchell). Also trade Gobert and try to get more 1st round picks for him. Get rid of Conley and also trade Bojan. Fire Quin Sydner as well. There's no way in hell the Jazz should keep this core of players after this season is over,unless they are content with medicority and 1st round exits every season.

If everything is so bad about the players..............then how it's not Snyder doing a miracle for being in playoffs? Firing him seems controversial then.
If all the changes you suggest kind of work, it seems Jazz will skyrocket to the stratosphere of basketball.

[Vampirate]

I don't think it's so much the core is fraudulent as the team window is closed with the current players. They're older and don't have much spark left. Whether you retool around Gobert and/or Mitchell, I really don't know. But it's like the team lost its heart after Ingles was traded.

Mitchell is only 25 years old, Rudy hasn't even hit his 30s yet.

This team is just built for the regular season because, Mitchell is 6"3 and can be taken advantage of defensively.

Rudy is limited offensively.

The Jazz simply do not have any other players that can cover these players weaknesses.

If Rudy was able to just defend the paint and nothing more, he'd be much more valuable in the playoffs.

Mitchell isn't good enough as a 2 way star to carry the Jazz.

[Johnny Firpo]

Not yet, but the team isn't looking good right now. Still, that series could be a long way from being over, even if Luka comes back on Saturday.

[Johnny Firpo]

I don't think it's so much the core is fraudulent as the team window is closed with the current players. They're older and don't have much spark left. Whether you retool around Gobert and/or Mitchell, I really don't know. But it's like the team lost its heart after Ingles was traded.

Mitchell is only 25 years old, Rudy hasn't even hit his 30s yet.

This team is just built for the regular season because, Mitchell is 6"3 and can be taken advantage of defensively.

Rudy is limited offensively.

The Jazz simply do not have any other players that can cover these players weaknesses.

If Rudy was able to just defend the paint and nothing more, he'd be much more valuable in the playoffs.

Mitchell isn't good enough as a 2 way star to carry the Jazz.

Mitchell is actually 6'1, that's probably the thing that will keep him from reaching top 10 status in his peak years.

[Vampirate]

I don't think it's so much the core is fraudulent as the team window is closed with the current players. They're older and don't have much spark left. Whether you retool around Gobert and/or Mitchell, I really don't know. But it's like the team lost its heart after Ingles was traded.

Mitchell is only 25 years old, Rudy hasn't even hit his 30s yet.

This team is just built for the regular season because, Mitchell is 6"3 and can be taken advantage of defensively.

Rudy is limited offensively.

The Jazz simply do not have any other players that can cover these players weaknesses.

If Rudy was able to just defend the paint and nothing more, he'd be much more valuable in the playoffs.

Mitchell isn't good enough as a 2 way star to carry the Jazz.

Mitchell is actually 6'1, that's probably the thing that will keep him from reaching top 10 status in his peak years.

Here's the thing with the 2. They are actually producing what they should in the playoffs.

Rudy is still uber effeceint with the shots he does put up and Mitchell is still putting up 30+ points on 20 shots.

This isn't Raptors Derozan were talking about here.

Putting it simply, despite all that it's just not enough.

Rudy is too exploitable because the rest of the Roster forces him out of the paint where his value lies. He's also not good enough offensively to make up for the fact that he's only there to protect one area only.

Mitchell is too exploitable because of his size.

The rest of the roster can't cover the stars weaknesses.

[Grape]

Who will say no to a Gobert + Bogdanović for Capela +Bogdanović + Gallinari trade? Hawks get the best defender and Jazz get off of Gobert's big contract and the younger Bogdanović.

Hawks say no. Gobert is the most dominant defensive big - problem is: in the modern nba you need good perimeter defense first.

This is objectively false lol. Bigs impact defense in a way that perimeter defenders can't in the modern NBA. It's not even close. Rim protection is by far the most important part of defense in basketball because it takes away the most efficient shot in basketball (the layup/dunk).

There are many examples to use, but one of them is that the Celtics had the exact same defensive rating with DPOY Marcus Smart off the court than they did when he was on the court. That is never the case of Gobert, who has consistently improved the Jazz defense by over or near 10 points per 100 possessions.

Perimeter defense is sexy. Rim protection isn't. That leads to false narratives such as "perimeter defenders are more important." Jazz are a perfect example as they have consistently had a solid defense with only one good defender on the entire team. Of course, you need both to be elite, which the Jazz don't have.

[life_saver]

Not sure why but I initially had the impression that Mitchell was a good defender but as I watch more games, I am starting to realize that he is a poor defender..players drive past him so easily. He is a great scorer but he needs to play atleast as an average defender in post-season. Jazz's perimeter defense is trash and I am surprised they didn't make any major moves to address it over the past year. Also, Conley has been disappointing in this playoffs

[Curmudgeon]

They brought in Ainge to rebuild. A playoff debacle against the Mavs sans Doncic will just accelerate the process.

[Johnny Tomala]

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Regular season and chill. That's funny.

Mitchell is no. 2 and Gobert should be no. 3 on contender. You can't win in playoffs if Mitchell is your first option on offense and Gobert is your first or second best player.

[TheLand13]

Mitchell is best suited as a second option.

Cleveland will gladly take on the Mitchell problem.

Heck no they won't, have a better and cheaper player in Garland already.

I did kind of forget that Mitchell is only 6'1.

On that note, nevermind. Utah can keep him.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Gobert will get traded to the Warriors, people will laugh and then the season starts and everyone realizes Rudy + Dray is an unfair combo defensively and all his shortcomings on offense vanish.

[ungin_74]

Gobert will get traded to the Warriors, people will laugh and then the season starts and everyone realizes Rudy + Dray is an unfair combo defensively and all his shortcomings on offense vanish.

then dray will get traded, goofy gobert gets exposed again in the post season and real GMers will point fingers at curry and say how much more solid GS would be if curry just improved his defensive skills, increased his ast/TO etc etc....

[DanoMac]

Maybe they saw a preview of their new uniforms

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[DusterBuster]

Utah needs to trade Mitchell, IMO

I’ll be curious what his value is like, might be a lot lower than people expect.

I agree

No defense, inefficient high volume scorers are not worth much

And he's an undersized SG to boot. With undersized 2's, everyone is quick to focus on the flaws vs their skills. I can't tell you how many times people said that exact sentence about CJ McCollum. They turned out to be right, regardless of what people say about him now - those types of players just have glaring flaws that other teams can exploit in trade negotiations.

[DusterBuster]

Trade Clarkson, Conley, Mitchell and O'Neale.

Conley has been a massive bust. Amazing he was highly coveted as he was there for bit. I think he was more a product of a system cause even with his injury issues, his skills just dropped off a cliff once he got to Utah.

[DusterBuster]

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That'll fix it!

[KHRICH]

Gobert will get traded to the Warriors, people will laugh and then the season starts and everyone realizes Rudy + Dray is an unfair combo defensively and all his shortcomings on offense vanish.

With what money

[JujitsuFlip]

They brought in Ainge to rebuild. A playoff debacle against the Mavs sans Doncic will just accelerate the process.

Facts, dude is a guru at turning players into picks.

[picc]

Gobert makes way too much money. His contract is ridiculous for such a limited offensive player, no matter how good his defense is.

Saying that. Can any of you name a center the Jazz could be playing with right now, where the other team WOULDN'T be getting open corner threes?

You can't. They could have Draymond Green in there, and the open threes would still be happening. Not only are the Jazz wings and guards turnstiles at the point of attack, they are ultra slow and lazy rotating. They have neither the speed or the will to rotate, so once their man inevitably gets past them, they are essentially finished with the defensive possession.

So we have perimeter players who don't stop penetration, and don't rotate when the center steps up to defend their man.

You can argue that a lesser defensive center with better offense could help them more. A guy like Myles Turner, lets say. Someone who can protect the rim, but also spread the floor and give the guards space to attack, and also function with more touch around the rim. Give a little on defense to get a lot back on offense. We can have that argument at least.