Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Brooklyn Nets

[GSP]

Hope someone thinks Browns 40% 3 point shooting is sustainable and offers a ton. Not that I think he is good, but I don't think nets have the ability to replace them with their limited weapons. Their rotation may be 5 returning guys (including guys like BS and KI who like to miss games) and 4 vet min guys. That's a recipe for disaster with an aging KD.

Brown shoots well but only makes corner 3s and is left wide open.

Its not at all sustainable.

The rotation is completely different if you add Joe Harris and Ben Simmons. Thats 2 starters.

Youre going from

Kyrie/Curry/Brown/KD/Drummond

to

Simmons/Kyrie/Harris/KD/Claxton

No weak defenders except for Kyrie. Curry/Kyrie back court was a disaster. Brown tries but he could not all guard wing players.

This excludes the young guys who will improve.

Kessler Edwards/Sharpe/Cam Johnson played well for rookies. You have to assume they are rotation pieces.

Nets also have both first round picks from Philly which they can use to trade for other pieces.

I'm not worried about the roster.

Its mostly about coaching and Kyrie.

Nash needs to be fired immediately. A new coach would change everything.

For Kyrie I would give him until the deadline to prove he is serious about basketball. If not I would trade him.

Someone would take a chance on him. And if KD tries to veto it then I would trade him too and end the experiment.

Ben and Clax.... 2 non shooters for defense to ignore and they'll be breaking free throws missed records

[GeorgeSears]

Kyrie killed their entire season due to pure narcissism. You can try to distribute the blame all you want but, in the end, Kyrie gets 100%.

Lets say Kyrie played all season whats the difference ?
they lost 4-0

The difference is they probably don't end up as the 7th seed and have to play the Celtics in the first round. He doesn't ruin the chemistry of the team, and perhaps they still make the trade for Ben Simmons and he's able to play in the 2nd round after they take out the Bulls. It's a lot of ifs, but one thing I'm certain of is that they don't end up playing Celtics in the 1st round.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Hope someone thinks Browns 40% 3 point shooting is sustainable and offers a ton. Not that I think he is good, but I don't think nets have the ability to replace them with their limited weapons. Their rotation may be 5 returning guys (including guys like BS and KI who like to miss games) and 4 vet min guys. That's a recipe for disaster with an aging KD.

Brown shoots well but only makes corner 3s and is left wide open.

Its not at all sustainable.

The rotation is completely different if you add Joe Harris and Ben Simmons. Thats 2 starters.

Youre going from

Kyrie/Curry/Brown/KD/Drummond

to

Simmons/Kyrie/Harris/KD/Claxton

No weak defenders except for Kyrie. Curry/Kyrie back court was a disaster. Brown tries but he could not all guard wing players.

This excludes the young guys who will improve.

Kessler Edwards/Sharpe/Cam Johnson played well for rookies. You have to assume they are rotation pieces.

Nets also have both first round picks from Philly which they can use to trade for other pieces.

I'm not worried about the roster.

Its mostly about coaching and Kyrie.

Nash needs to be fired immediately. A new coach would change everything.

For Kyrie I would give him until the deadline to prove he is serious about basketball. If not I would trade him.

Someone would take a chance on him. And if KD tries to veto it then I would trade him too and end the experiment.

Ben and Clax.... 2 non shooters for defense to ignore and they'll be breaking free throws missed records

If shooting is that big of a problem we can always trade for a stretch 4/5 or go small and try playing Edwards.

Simmons is worth it for the defense.

[TinmanZBoy]

The best option for the Nets might be running it back, but the stars and coaches need to have a different attitude and work on their defense

[mtcan]

Brown shoots well but only makes corner 3s and is left wide open.

Its not at all sustainable.

The rotation is completely different if you add Joe Harris and Ben Simmons. Thats 2 starters.

Youre going from

Kyrie/Curry/Brown/KD/Drummond

to

Simmons/Kyrie/Harris/KD/Claxton

No weak defenders except for Kyrie. Curry/Kyrie back court was a disaster. Brown tries but he could not all guard wing players.

This excludes the young guys who will improve.

Kessler Edwards/Sharpe/Cam Johnson played well for rookies. You have to assume they are rotation pieces.

Nets also have both first round picks from Philly which they can use to trade for other pieces.

I'm not worried about the roster.

Its mostly about coaching and Kyrie.

Nash needs to be fired immediately. A new coach would change everything.

For Kyrie I would give him until the deadline to prove he is serious about basketball. If not I would trade him.

Someone would take a chance on him. And if KD tries to veto it then I would trade him too and end the experiment.

Ben and Clax.... 2 non shooters for defense to ignore and they'll be breaking free throws missed records

If shooting is that big of a problem we can always trade for a stretch 4/5 or go small and try playing Edwards.

Simmons is worth it for the defense.

Has Ben ever won a series with his defence?

Answer is no. I guess he played good defence on Trae Young...but Trae scored enough for the Hawks to win...so what was his contribution really?

He's a very good defender..but he gives it all up on the other end...in other words...he gives you next to nothing at the other end. You can't rely on Ben on offence to do anything other than pass the ball and stand at the dunker spot...and allow opposing teams to load up on KD and Kyrie. Useless.

[ITYSL]

At this stage, I think that expecting anything from Simmons is folly.

Harris coming back is big. With him and Curry alongside KD, Kyrie and Claxton, the team can outscore anyone on any given night. Which they'll need to do because their defense will be trash.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Ben and Clax.... 2 non shooters for defense to ignore and they'll be breaking free throws missed records

If shooting is that big of a problem we can always trade for a stretch 4/5 or go small and try playing Edwards.

Simmons is worth it for the defense.

Has Ben ever won a series with his defence?

Answer is no. I guess he played good defence on Trae Young...but Trae scored enough for the Hawks to win...so what was his contribution really?

He's a very good defender..but he gives it all up on the other end...in other words...he gives you next to nothing at the other end. You can't rely on Ben on offence to do anything other than pass the ball and stand at the dunker spot...and allow opposing teams to load up on KD and Kyrie. Useless.

Simmons has never played with teammates that compliment him on offense.

Him and Embiid were a terrible fit.

Simmons can stick to passing and finishing like Bruce Brown.

[mtcan]

If shooting is that big of a problem we can always trade for a stretch 4/5 or go small and try playing Edwards.

Simmons is worth it for the defense.

Has Ben ever won a series with his defence?

Answer is no. I guess he played good defence on Trae Young...but Trae scored enough for the Hawks to win...so what was his contribution really?

He's a very good defender..but he gives it all up on the other end...in other words...he gives you next to nothing at the other end. You can't rely on Ben on offence to do anything other than pass the ball and stand at the dunker spot...and allow opposing teams to load up on KD and Kyrie. Useless.

Simmons has never played with teammates that compliment him on offense.

Him and Embiid were a terrible fit.

Simmons can stick to passing and finishing like Bruce Brown.

His offence is pass the ball or run and dunk the ball. That's it.

KD and Kyrie are looking to get their 20 isolation attempts each per game. They generate their own offence without Ben's passing.

In other words...that's an expensive Bruce Brown. Might I say...overpaid.

[Dogen]

Looking at all the free agents— the ring chaser experiment didn’t work with guys like Aldridge, Griffin and Drummond. They missed Jeff Green, and Allen.

With that said, I wouldn’t mind Boston making an offer to Bruce Brown. He’d fit right in on the Celtics.

And having Kyrie and Ben on the same team is just a bad idea. Maybe they can parlay Simmons into some decent role players.

[soboMP3]

At this stage, I think that expecting anything from Simmons is folly.

Harris coming back is big. With him and Curry alongside KD, Kyrie and Claxton, the team can outscore anyone on any given night. Which they'll need to do because their defense will be trash.

I’d honestly be a little surprised if he plays again.

[kenwood3333]

They have enough talent to go deep into the playoff, but chemistry is a key question. How will young players like Simmons react to Kyrie's way of acting above everyone else? It didn't turn out in Boston.

[KnicksGadfly]

Kyrie killed their entire season due to pure narcissism. You can try to distribute the blame all you want but, in the end, Kyrie gets 100%.

Lets say Kyrie played all season whats the difference ?
they lost 4-0

The difference is they probably don't end up as the 7th seed and have to play the Celtics in the first round. He doesn't ruin the chemistry of the team, and perhaps they still make the trade for Ben Simmons and he's able to play in the 2nd round after they take out the Bulls. It's a lot of ifs, but one thing I'm certain of is that they don't end up playing Celtics in the 1st round.

KD might get rested down the stretch. Harden might not demand a trade. The team might know how to play with each other. Steve Nash might have a chance to design better plays and create a more set rotation.

[Richard4444]

I am curious about the offseason Nets moves. I think they will have to all in and double the bet keeping Irving and Simmons on the roster. They would not get anything of value in return and would waste the last Top KD years in NBA.

They have $160M due to only 9 players (assuming Irving and Mills are kept). Without adding Bruce (UFA), Claxton (RFA), Dragic (UFA), Aldrige (UFA, and Blake (UFA). They can end the next season with a 190M payroll easily. Currently, they have a lot of offensive-minded small guards, and no reliable centers.

Irving (PO)/Mills (PO)
Joe/Seth/Thomas
Simmons/
Durant/Edwards
- /Sharpe

[jbk1234]

They absolutely have to talk Simmons into playing a half a season in order to rehab his value. If he wants to play for a CA team, or a non-contender, fine. But right now no is surrendering any value for him.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Has Ben ever won a series with his defence?

Answer is no. I guess he played good defence on Trae Young...but Trae scored enough for the Hawks to win...so what was his contribution really?

He's a very good defender..but he gives it all up on the other end...in other words...he gives you next to nothing at the other end. You can't rely on Ben on offence to do anything other than pass the ball and stand at the dunker spot...and allow opposing teams to load up on KD and Kyrie. Useless.

Simmons has never played with teammates that compliment him on offense.

Him and Embiid were a terrible fit.

Simmons can stick to passing and finishing like Bruce Brown.

His offence is pass the ball or run and dunk the ball. That's it.

KD and Kyrie are looking to get their 20 isolation attempts each per game. They generate their own offence without Ben's passing.

In other words...that's an expensive Bruce Brown. Might I say...overpaid.

Ok bro.

The difference is Bruce is not a great passer or elite defender.

If you want an example of who Simmons can be look at Draymond Green. But more athletic and taller.

[shangrila]

At this stage, I think that expecting anything from Simmons is folly.

Harris coming back is big. With him and Curry alongside KD, Kyrie and Claxton, the team can outscore anyone on any given night. Which they'll need to do because their defense will be trash.

I’d honestly be a little surprised if he plays again.

Nah, I think he will.

I think for now he needs to stay out because he wants the money that Philly fined him. Once he gets that he'll probably be back.

[mtcan]

Simmons has never played with teammates that compliment him on offense.

Him and Embiid were a terrible fit.

Simmons can stick to passing and finishing like Bruce Brown.

His offence is pass the ball or run and dunk the ball. That's it.

KD and Kyrie are looking to get their 20 isolation attempts each per game. They generate their own offence without Ben's passing.

In other words...that's an expensive Bruce Brown. Might I say...overpaid.

Ok bro.

The difference is Bruce is not a great passer or elite defender.

If you want an example of who Simmons can be look at Draymond Green. But more athletic and taller.

Ya I guess the Draymond comp fits...although Draymond has a bit more of a bag offensively...which isn't saying much but still

[FrodoFraggins]

lolwut?

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Would you look at this guy?

Like Tsai publicly stated he didn't want to re-sign you at one point. You led the team through a field of brambles most of the season, had one good game in the POs, after signing off on the non-coaching coach and presumably the roster personnel, all of which have been a collective zero PO wins, and you **** think that not only 1. you'll get some super duper max contract but that 2. you declare it 'entails' something like 3. 'MANAGING THE FRANCHISE' 4. "together" with not only POBO "Sean" but also 5. owner of the team "Joe".

Imagine the arrogant blind spot you have to have to cover the poor PO performance by putting yourself at the table with not only the top decision maker of the team but also the owner, like it's a given the latter even wants you around.

And if Marks and Tsai sign off on this, if they have allowed this and continue to allow it even after everything they've seen this season, then they are 100% part of the problem and deserve all the outcome of it. They already know what they're getting in Irving; a huge red flag. Stunning.

EDIT: Here it is all matter of fact

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ok then. Keep it humble and real, mate.

Look at that. Fire the coach and let the players handle it. Fire the GM and let the players handle it. Sounds like a plan.

[Dubnation]

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[rocketsfan100]

Good bye mr part time. He is the biggest problem