Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Philadelphia 76ers

[kuclas]

I would throw out there bam straight up for Joel, but Joel seems a bit of a cancer for a team, he thinks he's the second coming of Shaquille O'Neal... so I don't know

Embiid seems like a better player than bam, but his ego and the lack of athleticism and experience, in comparison to Bam... render him an eternal loser

Besides you guys may have better trades than that

It also seems to me that doc is not good enough and only will let you down again, his past was his prime and he just looks like an intelligent sell out

Umm nobody is trading Joel for Bam. It’s asinine to even suggest.

As a heat fan I wouldn't make that trade. Rather keep the 24 year old all defensive all star level center who is still improving and doesn't get hurt nearly as often

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Lol. Pat Riley would ship Bam off on the next flight if it was a straight up trade.

[Flash4thewin]

Umm nobody is trading Joel for Bam. It’s asinine to even suggest.

As a heat fan I wouldn't make that trade. Rather keep the 24 year old all defensive all star level center who is still improving and doesn't get hurt nearly as often

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Lol. Pat Riley would ship Bam off on the next flight if it was a straight up trade.

It’s like people are forgetting who Pat is lol. Bam would be gone in a heartbeat.

[Wolfgang630]

I would throw out there bam straight up for Joel, but Joel seems a bit of a cancer for a team, he thinks he's the second coming of Shaquille O'Neal... so I don't know

Embiid seems like a better player than bam, but his ego and the lack of athleticism and experience, in comparison to Bam... render him an eternal loser

Besides you guys may have better trades than that

It also seems to me that doc is not good enough and only will let you down again, his past was his prime and he just looks like an intelligent sell out

Umm nobody is trading Joel for Bam. It’s asinine to even suggest.

As a heat fan I wouldn't make that trade. Rather keep the 24 year old all defensive all star level center who is still improving and doesn't get hurt nearly as often

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That’s fine if you wouldn’t trade him. Heat management would send Bam out the door for Joel.

[fishfuego.]

Umm nobody is trading Joel for Bam. It’s asinine to even suggest.

As a heat fan I wouldn't make that trade. Rather keep the 24 year old all defensive all star level center who is still improving and doesn't get hurt nearly as often

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That’s fine if you wouldn’t trade him. Heat management would send Bam out the door for Joel.

The thing is, the Heat relies more on switching defense than just mere offense, and Bam is a primary piece to contain someone like Giannis, and also make things difficult for Embiid, while able to cover 1-5, so we’re not talking just one side of the coin here (offense), we’re talking a 5 position dynamic player very rare in today’s game (who I find it doesn’t get the credit it deserves, similar to how the Heat doesn’t get the credit it should get).

So to answer the question, no, the Heat right as this moment and the way the team is constructed would not trade Bam, especially if there is still a Giannis to contain against.

[kuclas]

As a heat fan I wouldn't make that trade. Rather keep the 24 year old all defensive all star level center who is still improving and doesn't get hurt nearly as often

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That’s fine if you wouldn’t trade him. Heat management would send Bam out the door for Joel.

The thing is, the Heat relies more on switching defense than just mere offense, and Bam is a primary piece to contain someone like Giannis, and also make things difficult for Embiid, while able to cover 1-5, so we’re not talking just one side of the coin here (offense), we’re talking a 5 position dynamic player very rare in today’s game.

So to answer the question, no, the Heat right as this moment and the way the team is constructed would not trade Bam, especially if there is still a Giannis to contain against.

Lol. U do realize embiid can cover Giannis 1:1. No switching is even needed which would make life much easier for heat defenders.

Bam is good at what he does. But he’s simply undersize thus able to switch. But he is simply over powered by bigger offensive players unless he gets help.

And I like
Bam a lot. But thought he midrange would expand after the 2020 bubble season. But he’s kinda of regress in that. Almost every shot he made with embiid covering him is a layup or less than 5 foot shot.

[fishfuego.]

That’s fine if you wouldn’t trade him. Heat management would send Bam out the door for Joel.

The thing is, the Heat relies more on switching defense than just mere offense, and Bam is a primary piece to contain someone like Giannis, and also make things difficult for Embiid, while able to cover 1-5, so we’re not talking just one side of the coin here (offense), we’re talking a 5 position dynamic player very rare in today’s game.

So to answer the question, no, the Heat right as this moment and the way the team is constructed would not trade Bam, especially if there is still a Giannis to contain against.

Lol. U do realize embiid can cover Giannis 1:1. No switching is even needed which would make life much easier for heat defenders.

Bam is good at what he does. But he’s simply undersize thus able to switch. But he is simply over powered by bigger offensive players unless he gets help.

And I like
Bam a lot. But thought he midrange would expand after the 2020 bubble season. But he’s kinda of regress in that. Almost every shot he made with embiid covering him is a layup or less than 5 foot shot.

You do realize that Bam just made it virtually hard for Embiid to penetrate against him right. Or did you not watch the series. It is just not Embiid the stationed big, but Bam the switching 1-5 player that can make it difficult for a dynamic guard, forward or big to have its way. Embiid is not the only basketball threat you know.

In the Heat’s current system you don’t need a player like Embiid. It wouldn’t work. You need a Bam type.

On a side note, Bam can also cover Giannis one on one as good as anyone possibly can. Giannis will get his against anyone, but some will contain him better than others. The real value of Bam is not Giannis per say, but the other 4 positions.

[al bondiga]

Umm nobody is trading Joel for Bam. It’s asinine to even suggest.

As a heat fan I wouldn't make that trade. Rather keep the 24 year old all defensive all star level center who is still improving and doesn't get hurt nearly as often

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That’s fine if you wouldn’t trade him. Heat management would send Bam out the door for Joel.

I don't think they would know the way the heat is composed currently

embid doesn't seem like a hard worker and one of pats main reason is achievement through hard work

Joel is a big achiever, but we can all agree it doesn't seem to be the product of hartwork ... The Simmons effect of random, immature and odd Behavior weights too heavy on joel mind

djokic on the other hand is a trade pat would think about

But we can all agree that nobody in the right mind would make a trade like that, unless the heat gave up a lot more than just bam

[kuclas]

The thing is, the Heat relies more on switching defense than just mere offense, and Bam is a primary piece to contain someone like Giannis, and also make things difficult for Embiid, while able to cover 1-5, so we’re not talking just one side of the coin here (offense), we’re talking a 5 position dynamic player very rare in today’s game.

So to answer the question, no, the Heat right as this moment and the way the team is constructed would not trade Bam, especially if there is still a Giannis to contain against.

Lol. U do realize embiid can cover Giannis 1:1. No switching is even needed which would make life much easier for heat defenders.

Bam is good at what he does. But he’s simply undersize thus able to switch. But he is simply over powered by bigger offensive players unless he gets help.

And I like
Bam a lot. But thought he midrange would expand after the 2020 bubble season. But he’s kinda of regress in that. Almost every shot he made with embiid covering him is a layup or less than 5 foot shot.

You do realize that Bam just made it virtually hard for Embiid to penetrate against him right. Or did you not watch the series. It is just not Embiid the stationed big, but Bam the switching 1-5 player that can make it difficult for a dynamic guard, forward or big to have its way. Embiid is not the only basketball threat you know.

In the Heat’s current system you don’t need a player like Embiid. It wouldn’t work. You need a Bam type.

On a side note, Bam can also cover Giannis one on one as good as anyone possibly can. Giannis will get his against anyone, but some will contain him better than others. The real value of Bam is not Giannis per say, but the other 4 positions.

Bam can’t guard embiid. Embiid didn’t want to get smacked in the face. The heat have to zone or hedge double team when embiid wants to post up. He was injured and avoided contact to the finger and face when he came back in game 3.

There is no way to defend embiid with Bam undersize. He needs a ton of help defense.

I’ve seen almost every heat sixers games the last 2 plus seasons. It all started the first game 2019 season when heat tried to guard embiid 1:1 with bam. Spo quickly realize that wouldn’t work. Every since than it’s been zone schemes hedge double teams.

[jpengland]

I mean let's start off with Bam for Embiid. GTFO. Embiid is a legit MvP level player, you aren't getting that with Bam.

But moving on.

I know Rivers is staying, and that's a clear financial decision. But my god is that a terrible decision to make. They need a coaching change. They need someone to fire them up.

Noway are they a treadmill team though. A healthy Embiid and a motivated Harden are a title combo. The problem is motivating Harden.

Maxey, Harris (even if overpaid) and Thybulle are very good role players for this team.

If Harden comes back at 95% of his best, Embiid stays healthy and they can land a couple of useful vets then they are right up there again next year with a chance of a title.

[fishfuego.]

I mean let's start off with Bam for Embiid. GTFO. Embiid is a legit MvP level player, you aren't getting that with Bam.


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Of course Embiid is by far the better player, but as currently constructed, Bam fits better with the Heat due to the type of effective defense the Heat plays.

[fishfuego.]

Lol. U do realize embiid can cover Giannis 1:1. No switching is even needed which would make life much easier for heat defenders.

Bam is good at what he does. But he’s simply undersize thus able to switch. But he is simply over powered by bigger offensive players unless he gets help.

And I like
Bam a lot. But thought he midrange would expand after the 2020 bubble season. But he’s kinda of regress in that. Almost every shot he made with embiid covering him is a layup or less than 5 foot shot.

You do realize that Bam just made it virtually hard for Embiid to penetrate against him right. Or did you not watch the series. It is just not Embiid the stationed big, but Bam the switching 1-5 player that can make it difficult for a dynamic guard, forward or big to have its way. Embiid is not the only basketball threat you know.

In the Heat’s current system you don’t need a player like Embiid. It wouldn’t work. You need a Bam type.

On a side note, Bam can also cover Giannis one on one as good as anyone possibly can. Giannis will get his against anyone, but some will contain him better than others. The real value of Bam is not Giannis per say, but the other 4 positions.

Bam can’t guard embiid. Embiid didn’t want to get smacked in the face. The heat have to zone or hedge double team when embiid wants to post up. He was injured and avoided contact to the finger and face when he came back in game 3.

There is no way to defend embiid with Bam undersize. He needs a ton of help defense.

I’ve seen almost every heat sixers games the last 2 plus seasons. It all started the first game 2019 season when heat tried to guard embiid 1:1 with bam. Spo quickly realize that wouldn’t work. Every since than it’s been zone schemes hedge double teams.

You can argue all day long that Embiid did not want to get smacked in the face all you want, but fact is, Bam did guard Embiid effective.
So the Heat used a switch defense, they use this type of D against every team, which solidifies my point that a Bam is more valuable to the Heat that an Embiid as currently constructed. But if Embiid ever landed on the Heat, knowing the Heat organization, you can bet they would maximize Embiid’s talent with schemes constructed to maximize Embiid.

[954gator]

That’s fine if you wouldn’t trade him. Heat management would send Bam out the door for Joel.

The thing is, the Heat relies more on switching defense than just mere offense, and Bam is a primary piece to contain someone like Giannis, and also make things difficult for Embiid, while able to cover 1-5, so we’re not talking just one side of the coin here (offense), we’re talking a 5 position dynamic player very rare in today’s game.

So to answer the question, no, the Heat right as this moment and the way the team is constructed would not trade Bam, especially if there is still a Giannis to contain against.

Lol. U do realize embiid can cover Giannis 1:1. No switching is even needed which would make life much easier for heat defenders.

Bam is good at what he does. But he’s simply undersize thus able to switch. But he is simply over powered by bigger offensive players unless he gets help.

And I like
Bam a lot. But thought he midrange would expand after the 2020 bubble season. But he’s kinda of regress in that. Almost every shot he made with embiid covering him is a layup or less than 5 foot shot.

His midrange is fine. Just in the post season our offense is dialed in for maximum efficiency. Butler and Herro are the guys you are going to see shooting the majority of the mid range shots.

[954gator]

I mean let's start off with Bam for Embiid. GTFO. Embiid is a legit MvP level player, you aren't getting that with Bam.


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Of course Embiid is by far the better player, but as currently constructed, Bam fits better with the Heat due to the type of effective defense the Heat plays.

This. How many teams have won it all with a ball dominant big? Lakers in the bubble sorta and who else? Also no offense but a Healthy AD is a better fit for most modern offenses because he has much more mobility.

[Floody100]

Maxey should be the #1 option on offense, and use Embiid in a super-Ayton role.

Maxey just finished a playoff run where he put up 21/4/4 on 48% shooting as a 2nd year player. The potential is there.

Embiid, if focused primarily on defense and putting up 13-14 EFFICIENT shots a game, would have the Sixers be the best defense in the league. They're an extremely talent team, and it's time for Embiid to take the step back to Maxey. He'll also probably save his body (and that of his teammates) by having less opportunities to flop. If he's shooting less per game, he'll no doubt try to take more efficient shots, but it's time to groom the next star guard in the East. The Embiid experiment isn't working, he hasn't made it past the 2nd round as the #1 option, and if the Sixers don't shake up roles, it doesn't look likely next year either.

Will his ego let him take a back seat and become a more efficient (lower volume) scorer while DOMINATING on the defensive end all game?

The guy was just whinging because he didn’t win MVP, you really think he’s going to take a step back now ? lol

[jstross]

Without a broken face and without a torn ligament in his thumb. I think the thumb injury really effected him.

Listening to the presser of Morey and Doc, sounds like they’re going to stay the course with some mild retweaks.

Can’t say I disagree.

Get harden to take pride in his body as it relates to his craft and hopefully not have an Embiid without a broken f’in face and that could work.

I do hope they extend harden on something favorable for the team given his recent performance. An opt-in to a chuck year isn’t ideal for anybody.

[jstross]

Someone mentioned D. Green on a partially guaranteed deal next yeat. Spotrac has it as $0 guaranteed. I think he might be done.

[celtxman]

It really boils down to Harden and Sixers Management. Sixers don't want to have a Russell Westbrook type contract that's a nightmare. Harden must be extremely embarrassed and maybe will consider a team friendly deal. This is the key to everything in Philly

[jstross]

he seemed open to a team friendly deal, but we shall see.

It really boils down to Harden and Sixers Management. Sixers don't want to have a Russell Westbrook type contract that's a nightmare. Harden must be extremely embarrassed and maybe will consider a team friendly deal. This is the key to everything in Philly

[srhcan]

Treadmill team. They probably would have lost to Raptors in 1st round if Nurse had not screwed up the rotations and Barnes was healthy

And raptors would have gotten swept if embiid hadn’t been injured.

If you really think raptors would have won if both team healthy. U need to look at the games closely especially first game when barnes was healthy for the first 2.5 quarters. They weren’t winning that game. They wouldn’t have won game 2 either

you missed my first argument "Nurse had not screwed up the rotations". Raptors beat 76ers in regular season whenever they use the big lineup (1 guard + 4 bigs), Embiid on or off does not matter. But for playoff Nurse went with traditional lineup and 76ers beat them easily. Has he continued with the winning formula, series would not have gone to 6 games

[kuclas]

Treadmill team. They probably would have lost to Raptors in 1st round if Nurse had not screwed up the rotations and Barnes was healthy

And raptors would have gotten swept if embiid hadn’t been injured.

If you really think raptors would have won if both team healthy. U need to look at the games closely especially first game when barnes was healthy for the first 2.5 quarters. They weren’t winning that game. They wouldn’t have won game 2 either

you missed my first argument "Nurse had not screwed up the rotations". Raptors beat 76ers in regular season whenever they use the big lineup (1 guard + 4 bigs), Embiid on or off does not matter. But for playoff Nurse went with traditional lineup and 76ers beat them easily. Has he continued with the winning formula, series would not have gone to 6 games

Sixers beat Celtics 3-1 in 2019-2020 season and got swept 0-4.

Regular season records between teams individual games played often has no bearing on playoff series between those same teams.

I know how nick nurse plays the sixers. It’s to front embiid. Make him get the ball further out as possible. Confuse him with the double team are various points. Only true double team hard when needed (when too close)