if curry wins 4th title +FMVP

[Dubs 707]

He will not make my Top 15.
MJ, KAJ, Russell, LBJ, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq

There is no way he's better than any of these players.

Then
KG, Oscar Robertson, Kobe Bryant, K. Malone, Dirk

West, M. Malone, Mikan, J. Erving, D. Robinson, Barkley

He will move past Erving with another title but he needs a lot of longevity to break into my Top 15. The highest he can be is 14th ahead of Karl Malone. He will never make my Top 10 no matter what he do.

2 more titles as the man and he’d be in there no problem.

You'd take KG over curry. Care to elaborate why? The first group, I understand, that second group though...

[Myth]

Broke rays record, 2x unanimous MVP, revolutionized the game in itself is the grandest achievement of um all.

A pet peeve of mine is when somebody makes an argument on minimal reasons and they can’t even get the facts correct. Steph only has 1 unanimous MVP.

[skones]

he will surpass lebron in both legacy and brand, imo. Curry has dominated the modern era of basketball with one team, didnt hop around from team to team like a chicken and was the reason golden state became a juggernaut...2x uninaminous mvp and broke rays record. If it was lebron on golden state when they struggled for 2 years, lebron would have "took his talents elsewhere ect.." by now... only knock left on curry is that he doesnt have an FMVP yet... he has a magic johnson MVP wcf award but he needs the finals FMVP too...

This isn't even remotely close to being true. Lebron is Lebron and as good as Curry has been, the brand and stature can't hold a candle to Curry. Lebron James is close to reaching 1B in networth whereas Curry is working on breaking the 200m plateau. That's an ENORMOUS gap in brand and it's flat out too late in the game for him to ever really catch up.

While I could see a 4th championship and a finals MVP becoming an argument as far as legacy is concerned (with legitimacy in question), the streak of 8 straight finals appearances with Lebron has already cranked up that steam engine to the point where he's in the conversation for GOAT. Another championship and FMVP doesn't vault Curry into that conversation.

It's disingenuous to act like Lebron was bouncing around forming these superteams that knocks him while the addition of KD wouldn't knock the legitimacy of Curry in the same manner.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

2 more titles would give him a total of 3 as the man.

KD was very good when he played for the Steph Currys.

KD had arguably some of his best seasons overall as a player in a GSW jersey.

No kidding. He was necessarily under-defended because Curry was the heart of everything and defences worried more about him. It was like Kobe when he played with Shaq.

[Eric Bieniemy]

He'll be neck and neck with Kobe (probably better).

[nikster]

Do those same standards apply to LeBron when looking at his playoff competition? The best teams he faced en route to the Finals during 2015-19 were the Derozan-led Raptors. Maybe the 2015 Hawks who were without Thabo because the NYPD curbstomped his ankle.

Yes. That was the point of my post. I didn't say Lebron had a particularly hard path. Was just addressing a poster implying curry had it harder with the east VS west argument

But Curry did.

And I completely disagree with that. Instead of some lazy East VS West argument why don't you point to a run of Currys that was significantly tougher than any of Lebrons?

[michaelm]

Broke rays record, 2x unanimous MVP, revolutionized the game in itself is the grandest achievement of um all.

A pet peeve of mine is when somebody makes an argument on minimal reasons and they can’t even get the facts correct. Steph only has 1 unanimous MVP.

Yes, the only one ever.

[Devilanche]

Curry will be an all time great when it’s all over but there’s no need to compare every single great to someone who’s in the top 3.

[Warriors Analyst]

Yes. That was the point of my post. I didn't say Lebron had a particularly hard path. Was just addressing a poster implying curry had it harder with the east VS west argument

But Curry did.

And I completely disagree with that. Instead of some lazy East VS West argument why don't you point to a run of Currys that was significantly tougher than any of Lebrons?

How is that even a question? Can you make an earnest argument that any of LeBron’s ECF opponents were more difficult than the majority of the second or first round opponents that Steph played? I think there’s an argument to be made that the late-era Grit and Grind Grizzlies were more difficult opponents than any team LeBron played.

[TacoLord]

Lol, he may not even have 2 of those rings if his team didn't recruit KD to come save them from big ol meanie Lebron and his scary Cavs teams. KD was Finals MVP in those 2 seasons for a good reason, he was the best player on GS for the 3 years he spent there. Curry couldn't even carry the team past Kawhi for a few games to seal a legacy defining series win after KD went down. Lebron would have put up a much better fight, because he can actually carry a team. He's a better player all around, Curry is a better shooter.

[michaelm]

Yes. That was the point of my post. I didn't say Lebron had a particularly hard path. Was just addressing a poster implying curry had it harder with the east VS west argument

But Curry did.

And I completely disagree with that. Instead of some lazy East VS West argument why don't you point to a run of Currys that was significantly tougher than any of Lebrons?

I can point to an easier run to the finals than any of Curry’s, the 2016 title when the Cavs absolutely cake walked through an historically weak Eastern conference.

They chose different paths is all. LeBron certainly has it as an individual player, he was highly elite as a defensive player in his prime with Curry probably best described as serviceable on that end. I take Curry as a player to build a team around though, and prefer the GSW brand of basketball to LeBron ball, although in the one year he was paired with a player who complemented him perfectly, in 2019-2020 with a healthy Davis, that team played fairly awesome basketball. I don’t accept and have never accepted the Curry has/had more help while LeBron never had enough help thing however. LeBron’s teams/help from 2010 on were chosen by him while Curry’s “help” has mostly evolved alongside him; 5 of the 6 best GSW players this year were drafted by them, and current Wiggins who was reviled as a bust and the worst contract in the NBA when he joined GSW is the most useful version imo. Even KD made his best contribution to winning, again imo, in 2017 playing next to Curry, and was at his best defensively then.

LeBron the better floor raiser, and possibly the GOAT floor raiser at that, Curry the better ceiling raiser imo without totally subsuming his team/franchise.

[Myth]

Broke rays record, 2x unanimous MVP, revolutionized the game in itself is the grandest achievement of um all.

A pet peeve of mine is when somebody makes an argument on minimal reasons and they can’t even get the facts correct. Steph only has 1 unanimous MVP.

Yes, the only one ever.

Correct. I’m a big Steph fan, so this feels like a weird “gotcha” attempt. I wish he had 2. I’m just pointing out that basing an argument on limited info and having that info be inarguably false just makes people look dumb.

[michaelm]

Lol, he may not even have 2 of those rings if his team didn't recruit KD to come save them from big ol meanie Lebron and his scary Cavs teams. KD was Finals MVP in those 2 seasons for a good reason, he was the best player on GS for the 3 years he spent there. Curry couldn't even carry the team past Kawhi for a few games to seal a legacy defining series win after KD went down. Lebron would have put up a much better fight, because he can actually carry a team. He's a better player all around, Curry is a better shooter.

KD was marginally better than Curry in those 2 finals series, mostly because Curry had one bad game in each series, and truly was kryptonite for LeBron, even defending him fairly effectively which Curry obviously couldn’t ever do. But unless you want to classify KD as better than LeBron except for lack of help he has only been as effective as he was in those 2 finals series when next to Curry, and had a losing record against LeBron while at OKC with a pretty fair supporting cast. He wasn’t even arguably the best GSW player imo while with GSW other than in the two Cavs finals series however.

And if you think LeBron could have carried the 2019 GSW team to victory in that finals series against a very good Raptors team who as opposed to previous LeBron encounters had one Kawhi Leonard on their roster with Draymond as the only other healthy starter there is a very nice harbour bridge near where I live which I can sell you.

[BeiBeau]

1. MJ
2. Lebron

3. Kareem

4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Russell
7. Bird
8. Kobe
9. Shaq

10. Hakeem
11. Wilt
12. Curry
13. KD
14. Oscar
15. KG
16. Dirk

If Curry wins his 4th and FMVP he jumps above Wilt and Hakeem and into the next tier around Kobe and Bird. But he isn’t even close to lebron.

Realistically Lebron is better then Curry at scoring, finishing, rebounding, defense, and passing. The only thing Curry has is shooting. Curry is great but Lebron is the best.

[michaelm]

1. MJ
2. Lebron

3. Kareem

4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Russell
7. Bird
8. Kobe
9. Shaq

10. Hakeem
11. Wilt
12. Curry
13. KD
14. Oscar
15. KG
16. Dirk

If Curry wins his 4th and FMVP he jumps above Wilt and Hakeem and into the next tier around Kobe and Bird. But he isn’t even close to lebron.

Realistically Lebron is better then Curry at scoring, finishing, rebounding, defense, and passing. The only thing Curry has is shooting. Curry is great but Lebron is the best.

Absolutely no doubt that LeBron has a broader range of attributes as an individual player. Basketball is a team sport however, and no LeBron team has ever been as good as the 2017 GSW title winning team, despite his best efforts since 2010 to stack his own teams with no holds barred.

[BeiBeau]

1. MJ
2. Lebron

3. Kareem

4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Russell
7. Bird
8. Kobe
9. Shaq

10. Hakeem
11. Wilt
12. Curry
13. KD
14. Oscar
15. KG
16. Dirk

If Curry wins his 4th and FMVP he jumps above Wilt and Hakeem and into the next tier around Kobe and Bird. But he isn’t even close to lebron.

Realistically Lebron is better then Curry at scoring, finishing, rebounding, defense, and passing. The only thing Curry has is shooting. Curry is great but Lebron is the best.

Absolutely no doubt that LeBron has a broader range of attributes as an individual player. Basketball is a team sport however, and no LeBron team has ever been as good as the 2017 GSW title winning team, despite his best efforts since 2010 to stack his own teams with no holds barred.

Yes, you are correct that Lebron has never been on a team as good as the 2017 Warriors, nobody has. 2017-2018 Warriors are the greatest team ever assembled. A 73 win team added the 2nd best player in the league all in an effort to beat Lebron. The post is about whether Curry is better, and while I have Curry jumping into the top 10 with a another ring and FMVP he is extremely far behind Lebron as a player.

[michaelm]

1. MJ
2. Lebron

3. Kareem

4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Russell
7. Bird
8. Kobe
9. Shaq

10. Hakeem
11. Wilt
12. Curry
13. KD
14. Oscar
15. KG
16. Dirk

If Curry wins his 4th and FMVP he jumps above Wilt and Hakeem and into the next tier around Kobe and Bird. But he isn’t even close to lebron.

Realistically Lebron is better then Curry at scoring, finishing, rebounding, defense, and passing. The only thing Curry has is shooting. Curry is great but Lebron is the best.

Absolutely no doubt that LeBron has a broader range of attributes as an individual player. Basketball is a team sport however, and no LeBron team has ever been as good as the 2017 GSW title winning team, despite his best efforts since 2010 to stack his own teams with no holds barred.

Yes, you are correct that Lebron has never been on a team as good as the 2017 Warriors, nobody has. 2017-2018 Warriors are the greatest team ever assembled. A 73 win team added the 2nd best player in the league all in an effort to beat Lebron. The post is about whether Curry is better, and while I have Curry jumping into the top 10 with a another ring and FMVP he is extremely far behind Lebron as a player.

Our discussion seems to be tangential. I agreed LeBron had more strings to his bow as an individual player, my argument is you can build a better team around Curry, the major reason GSW won 73 regular season games in 2015-2016, and who was prepared to facilitate KD ahead of chasing his own statistics.

[nikster]

But Curry did.

And I completely disagree with that. Instead of some lazy East VS West argument why don't you point to a run of Currys that was significantly tougher than any of Lebrons?

I can point to an easier run to the finals than any of Curry’s, the 2016 title when the Cavs absolutely cake walked through an historically weak Eastern conference.

They chose different paths is all. LeBron certainly has it as an individual player, he was highly elite as a defensive player in his prime with Curry probably best described as serviceable on that end. I take Curry as a player to build a team around though, and prefer the GSW brand of basketball to LeBron ball, although in the one year he was paired with a player who complemented him perfectly, in 2019-2020 with a healthy Davis, that team played fairly awesome basketball. I don’t accept and have never accepted the Curry has/had more help while LeBron never had enough help thing however. LeBron’s teams/help from 2010 on were chosen by him while Curry’s “help” has mostly evolved alongside him; 5 of the 6 best GSW players this year were drafted by them, and current Wiggins who was reviled as a bust and the worst contract in the NBA when he joined GSW is the most useful version imo. Even KD made his best contribution to winning, again imo, in 2017 playing next to Curry, and was at his best defensively then.

LeBron the better floor raiser, and possibly the GOAT floor raiser at that, Curry the better ceiling raiser imo without totally subsuming his team/franchise.

I didn't say Lebron never had an easy run, but in average I don't see a difference. And you could argue 2017 Warriors had just an easy run to the finals. Trailblazers and Jazz were mediocre teams, Spurs lost Kawhi after half a game, talent disparity was arguably greater, they lost no games and had an average margin of victory over 16.

[KyRo23]

i disagree... curry is about to get his 4th title(tieing lebron), has achievements lebron can only dream of having.. and has the most unique skillset the modern nba has ever seen. he literally changed the game, like jordan did.... he is much closer to jordan, than any other ball players. if he has an impressive finals showing and wins.

Such as....??

Unanimous MVP and a team that actually add more titles. Plus 3peat.

Your name is Warriorfan and you don't know that Curry doesn't have a 3peat?

You know LeBron would have had a unanimous MVP if some Knicks media loser didn't vote Melo MVP in 2012 right? All but one vote.

[nikster]

But Curry did.

And I completely disagree with that. Instead of some lazy East VS West argument why don't you point to a run of Currys that was significantly tougher than any of Lebrons?

How is that even a question? Can you make an earnest argument that any of LeBron’s ECF opponents were more difficult than the majority of the second or first round opponents that Steph played? I think there’s an argument to be made that the late-era Grit and Grind Grizzlies were more difficult opponents than any team LeBron played.

I think there's an argument to be made that every team Lebron played in the ECF and a fee 2nd round matchups are as least as good if not better then the Grit and Grind Grizzlies the warriors faced. Warriors played them one time at the end of their peak, Conley missed the first game and Allen missed several.

What other difficult matchups did Curry have in the first 2 rounds? A 53 win Houston team that Warriors still beat with a mediocre series from Curry?

the only truly elite teams Currys beat in the ECF were 2016 Thunder (The year Lebron went on to beat Curry) and 2018 Rockets (where Cp3 went down and Warriors still had a significant talent advantage prior to that)