JJ Redick speaks the Truth - 80/90s NBA vs Today

[The Rebel]

Lmao evolutions takes thousands of years every where but in the NBA I guess. It is sad how little young people know about life before them and how little respect they have for it.

Once again there are literally studies out there showing that strength and athleticism is actually declining due to lower testosterone but keep telling yourself lies.

nearly every world record was set in the last 15 years.

I would love to see those studies lol. Seems like a post straight from QAnon.

Is Forbes mainstream enough for you?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhowe/2017/10/02/youre-not-the-man-your-father-was/?sh=6f7fa3f8b7fd

What about US today?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2022/05/09/fact-check-testosterone-levels-lower-25-1999-2016/7381735001/

Is the university of Tel Aviv scientific enough?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7063751/

You guys still want to argue how much more nutrition is and how men have evolved. It is scientific verified that we are dramatically losing all testosterone, go look at what that means.

[Roscoe Sheed]

I'm so sick of these arguements. No era is "better" or "worse" than another. They are different, as apples and oranges. Comparison between players and team of eraes requires nuanced qualifications, such as deciding which rule set players play by, or whether those players get the benefit or miss the benefit of growing up in a certain era, and so on. There is no such thing as better or worse.

You might say that Draymond Green wouldn't be on the 86 Celtics team But i'd say Kevin Mchale would be e bench scrub in the warriors with his lack of outside shot and ability to guard the corner 3, and inability to understand how to defend with things like the restricted area or illegal defense violations. Players from both eras would not fit into another era necessarily because they developed their skills and game based on the rules of the era they are in.

JJ Reddick is a clown.

Why is he mouthing off like he's a HOF player?

He'd be a role player in any era he plays in.

He's better than you so under your own logic you can't disagree with anything he says about basketball.

I agree with the basic gist of what you are saying, but McHale was actually a very good shooter and relatively versatile defender- he sometimes guarded guys like Dominique and Adrian Dantley somewhat effectively (nobody was stopping those guys). His post moves would be unstoppable in any era and he had the touch to extend his range if needed.

[Parasite]

Drop Ultimate Warrior, Mr Perfect or Demolition in todays weak sauce wrestling and it would end up in a blood bath.

Ravishing Rick Rude would make every modern day wrestler cry for their mommies.

[jerok]

Medicine has improved, but you are going to have to explain way fitter when guys are crying about playing 65 games 30 mpg when a majority of players used to be able to play 82 games and 40 mpg.

Guys are still playing at a high level today into their mid/late 30s. And not just in basketball, but in every sport.

You guys really do not know **** about sport history do you?

Look up Tree Rollins, Kareem, and others they played as long as anybody in the league today and more minutes as well.

Gordie Howe was 52 when he retired.

Nolan Ryan played 27 years.


Literally the only guys playing longer today are NFL quarterbacks, because you can no longer hit them.

Cmon man, Rafael nadal just won the french open. He is 36, with a bad foot.
Messi and Ronaldo are still tops in football, and they are past the normal prime of football players.

Back to basketball.
What about LeBron? Average 30 as a 37 year old.
PJ Tucker guarding Tatum and Brown. Al Horford, Chris Paul, these guys are beyond 35.

We get it gramps, you love your nostalgia, want us to get off your lawn?

[LakerLegend]

A lot of guys today look good because the rules are soft and encourage easy offense.

[TheGOATRises007]

I'm so sick of these arguements. No era is "better" or "worse" than another. They are different, as apples and oranges. Comparison between players and team of eraes requires nuanced qualifications, such as deciding which rule set players play by, or whether those players get the benefit or miss the benefit of growing up in a certain era, and so on. There is no such thing as better or worse.

You might say that Draymond Green wouldn't be on the 86 Celtics team But i'd say Kevin Mchale would be e bench scrub in the warriors with his lack of outside shot and ability to guard the corner 3, and inability to understand how to defend with things like the restricted area or illegal defense violations. Players from both eras would not fit into another era necessarily because they developed their skills and game based on the rules of the era they are in.

JJ Reddick is a clown.

Why is he mouthing off like he's a HOF player?

He'd be a role player in any era he plays in.

He's better than you so under your own logic you can't disagree with anything he says about basketball.

He thinks the older guys are terrible compared to the modern NBA.

If I critique an NBA player, I don't do it under the guise of thinking I'm better than them.

Not the same at all.

[jerok]

Lmao evolutions takes thousands of years every where but in the NBA I guess. It is sad how little young people know about life before them and how little respect they have for it.

Once again there are literally studies out there showing that strength and athleticism is actually declining due to lower testosterone but keep telling yourself lies.

It doesn't take a scientist to see how much more advance athletes are today, with access to modern science etc.
We're not talking about evolution of species, which does take a long time, and is the only valid point of your post.

So these studies pertains to the top athletes we have today right? Not just your average joes correct?

There are no lies here, like I said ONLY in the NBA where 80 and 90s will always be better. You don't really hear that non sense with other sports. Keep living in that nostalgia though, its not a bad place to be, that era of ball was amazing.

Well thats because the way the NBA was played back than was more versatile, there for more entertaining to them (myself included) compared to how everything is revolved around 3's now days, but anyway you should also take into account that it doesn't take a scientist to see that the old style from previous decades still works. So it can really go either way. Just look at how effective a good number of the talent that were drafted in the late 90s still were in the later half of their careers going up against the modern talent at that time. Tim Duncan could still ball.

Kevin Garnett, Michael Jordan when he came back showed he could still do it at that time. The list goes on and on. So it's not out ofi the question that they and their actual team would be able to defeat a modern team at their best if they could jump through time to 2022 or some other point down the line that these conversations happen yet again.

and yes it does happen in other sports. Let's not forget George Foreman came back and won a championship at 45 years old against someone half his age. Sports evolve over time, but greatness remains the same.

Except when we compare Greatness of today vs 80/90s right? All of a sudden modern greats aren't so great anymore.

I think you missed the entire point of the topic.

[jerok]

JJ is just stanning his era, much like the old guys he picks fights with for clicks stan theirs. Flip side of the same coin.

I do find it hilarious how people always jump in and claim that "evolution" and "genetics" prove that this era is better than the 90s though
People wanna believe so bad that their era is the best they'll tell themselves anything even if they've no real clue how genetics or evolution work.

Not proving todays era is better than 80/90s.
Trying to highlight media's nostalgic narrative that no players after 80/90s will ever be better than that era.
And this ONLY happens to basketball, no other sport.

In terms of Genetics and evolution.
Here's an example.
Karl Malone vs LeBron James.
Just something to think about.

[CIN-C-STAR]

JJ is just stanning his era, much like the old guys he picks fights with for clicks stan theirs. Flip side of the same coin.

I do find it hilarious how people always jump in and claim that "evolution" and "genetics" prove that this era is better than the 90s though
People wanna believe so bad that their era is the best they'll tell themselves anything even if they've no real clue how genetics or evolution work.

Not proving todays era is better than 80/90s.
Trying to highlight media's nostalgic narrative that no players after 80/90s will ever be better than that era.
And this ONLY happens to basketball, no other sport.

In terms of Genetics and evolution.
Here's an example.
Karl Malone vs LeBron James.
Just something to think about.

Is Lebron a better athlete than David Robinson?
Something to think about

[DoctorX]

I don't care what JJ has to say. He's going to kiss the current generations' ass because his broadcasting career depends on it.

[jerok]

JJ is just stanning his era, much like the old guys he picks fights with for clicks stan theirs. Flip side of the same coin.

I do find it hilarious how people always jump in and claim that "evolution" and "genetics" prove that this era is better than the 90s though
People wanna believe so bad that their era is the best they'll tell themselves anything even if they've no real clue how genetics or evolution work.

Not proving todays era is better than 80/90s.
Trying to highlight media's nostalgic narrative that no players after 80/90s will ever be better than that era.
And this ONLY happens to basketball, no other sport.

In terms of Genetics and evolution.
Here's an example.
Karl Malone vs LeBron James.
Just something to think about.

Is Lebron a better athlete than David Robinson?
Something to think about

1000%
Likely just as strong, but faster, quicker, jumps higher, name it.

Horrible take man, should of gone for the jugular and say MJ, if you wanted to win the argument easily.
At least I gave you comparable size and physique.

[LAL1947]

Is Lebron a better athlete than David Robinson?
Something to think about

1000%
Likely just as strong, but faster, quicker, jumps higher, name it.

Lebron is the better athlete, but even more so after a trip to Miami.

[picko]

Too much time talking about 'evolution' when the real difference is a domestic vs global competition. Today's NBA pulls from a global talent pool - many of the game's best players come from overseas - that certainly wasn't the case in the 1980s / 1990s for a variety of reasons. It's not that dissimilar to comparing the 1980s / 1990s against the 1950s / 1960s with regards to black athletes.

Consequently it's a higher standard league with a higher barrier to entry for athletes. The idea that today's NBA players couldn't thrive in the 1980s / 1990s or that older athletes would come in and dominate - to a greater extent than they did in their own eras - has always been nonsense.

[NO-KG-AI]

JJ is just stanning his era, much like the old guys he picks fights with for clicks stan theirs. Flip side of the same coin.

I do find it hilarious how people always jump in and claim that "evolution" and "genetics" prove that this era is better than the 90s though
People wanna believe so bad that their era is the best they'll tell themselves anything even if they've no real clue how genetics or evolution work.

Not proving todays era is better than 80/90s.
Trying to highlight media's nostalgic narrative that no players after 80/90s will ever be better than that era.
And this ONLY happens to basketball, no other sport.

In terms of Genetics and evolution.
Here's an example.
Karl Malone vs LeBron James.
Just something to think about.

Is Lebron a better athlete than David Robinson?
Something to think about

There is literally 1 LeBron, it's not evidence that the human race is evolving. Just like there not being anything to parallel Shaq proves nothing about evolution.

Besides 2003 LeBron was way more athletic than this current version of LeBron and wasn't nearly the player. And the two best offensive players in the league are fat, slow, and white.

[OdomFan]

It doesn't take a scientist to see how much more advance athletes are today, with access to modern science etc.
We're not talking about evolution of species, which does take a long time, and is the only valid point of your post.

So these studies pertains to the top athletes we have today right? Not just your average joes correct?

There are no lies here, like I said ONLY in the NBA where 80 and 90s will always be better. You don't really hear that non sense with other sports. Keep living in that nostalgia though, its not a bad place to be, that era of ball was amazing.

Well thats because the way the NBA was played back than was more versatile, there for more entertaining to them (myself included) compared to how everything is revolved around 3's now days, but anyway you should also take into account that it doesn't take a scientist to see that the old style from previous decades still works. So it can really go either way. Just look at how effective a good number of the talent that were drafted in the late 90s still were in the later half of their careers going up against the modern talent at that time. Tim Duncan could still ball.

Kevin Garnett, Michael Jordan when he came back showed he could still do it at that time. The list goes on and on. So it's not out ofi the question that they and their actual team would be able to defeat a modern team at their best if they could jump through time to 2022 or some other point down the line that these conversations happen yet again.

and yes it does happen in other sports. Let's not forget George Foreman came back and won a championship at 45 years old against someone half his age. Sports evolve over time, but greatness remains the same.

Except when we compare Greatness of today vs 80/90s right? All of a sudden modern greats aren't so great anymore.

I think you missed the entire point of the topic.

I didn't miss the point of anything. I'm pointing out that past generations from any era can play well in any modern age because we've already seen many veterans continue to play well past their prime. So if they could do that then, they'd be able to be even more effective right there in a modern era if they were in their primes.

80s still played well in the 2000s, 90s guys still played well in the 2010s.

[OdomFan]

Too much time talking about 'evolution' when the real difference is a domestic vs global competition. Today's NBA pulls from a global talent pool - many of the game's best players come from overseas - that certainly wasn't the case in the 1980s / 1990s for a variety of reasons. It's not that dissimilar to comparing the 1980s / 1990s against the 1950s / 1960s with regards to black athletes.

Consequently it's a higher standard league with a higher barrier to entry for athletes. The idea that today's NBA players couldn't thrive in the 1980s / 1990s or that older athletes would come in and dominate - to a greater extent than they did in their own eras - has always been nonsense.

More like too much being put on where this or that guy is from. It's just silly if you ask me. "omg, look at that guy play! he's not even American but he can play basketball really well!" like really? The 80s and 90s pretty much started the international talent pool anyways with guys like Mutumbo, Hakeem, Detlef Schrempf, Patrick Ewing, Vlade Divac, Toni Kukoc, Rik Smitts, Sabonis doing their part to open the door for even more to come in going into the 2000s, 2010s, all the way through to what we have now in the 2020s so far. So all of that deserves more credit than what you're giving.

[Antinomy]

Btw, guys were playing 40+mpg for 82 games every year back then because they were able to just stand around for 80-90% of their playing time.

Dudes nowadays have to cover WAAAY more ground offensively/defensively & guard the entire floor.

The fact that this isn’t obvious to many people is mind boggling.

[JN61]

Millennials and gen Z are angry their players aren't the best?

[JN61]

Btw, guys were playing 40+mpg for 82 games every year back then because they were able to just stand around for 80-90% of their playing time.

Dudes nowadays have to cover WAAAY more ground offensively/defensively & guard the entire floor.

The fact that this isn’t obvious to many people is mind boggling.

Thanks for not watching 80s/90s basketball or apparently 2022 basketball...

[CobraCommander]

I just don't understand why dude keeps going out of his way to repeatedly disrespect the people who paved the way for him to become a millionaire basketball player and even be on TV talking about the sport. Weird fight to pick and very off-putting in my opinion.

Unfortunately espn has ruined him

It’s weird - he started off really good.

But this is a really bad take - at this point anyone touching a player is a foul- unless it’s draymond
Or smart. The defense played now is - “distract but don’t impede the player” - hand checking and the chicken wing slowed everything down. The best from today and the 90s would be fine - Lebron would be fine - Jordan would be fine - Guys like JJ wouldn’t be in the NBA In 90s unless he was playing a Steve Kerr role- which is fine -