Non-Mortem-2021-22: Golden State Warriors

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

They should explore ways to trade Green. He is total disaster over half of the games and it's just going to get worse. Just get rid of that salary and get some decent defensive center in return who can actually score.

He's a required player, regardless of how little you understand his value

And there are about 30 players in the league who can replace his value and add more to the team than Green does.

You apparently don’t understand what you are seeing. Maybe you only watched the Warriors during the finals and even then what you are saying is wrong for the finals.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

it's hard to predict what will be the future for GSW next season. Do they try and contend again or decide now is the time to really start putting the young guys in and getting them into more of a solid rotation? Next year will be a big test for Kerr and his ability as a coach as he's only had amazing teams to be the coach of so far except for the 2020 Warriors. How Kerr with a depleted staff handles integrating Wiseman/Kuminga/Moody and molding them into players. I'd expect Iguodala retires but maintains a position as part of Kerr's staff helping the young guys grow.

Keeping the players they have = trying to contend again. Old players will age and the young players will improve.

If Iguoodala retires the 1st round draft pick who will stay in G-league can use Iguodala’s roster spot. Other wise trade the draft pick for a future draft pick or give the 1st round draft pick Juan Toscano Anderson’s roster spot. Or let Otto Porter walk to save some money.

The roster is well balanced in terms of position. Wiseman is the 3rd center.

Maybe the Warriors could use a ball handling point guard but really the Warriors have no need. I like playing Draymond with Curry so that Curry can play off the ball but Draymond plus Poole plus Payton = a point guard. The point of a ball handling point guard is that if Curry and Draymond sit at the same time then the Poole and Payton combination may be slightly weak at running an offense unless Iguodala plays with them,

[michaelm]

They should explore ways to trade Green. He is total disaster over half of the games and it's just going to get worse. Just get rid of that salary and get some decent defensive center in return who can actually score.

He's a required player, regardless of how little you understand his value

And there are about 30 players in the league who can replace his value and add more to the team than Green does.

I guess they will just continue to bumble on and win further titles to add to the 4 they have already won despite Draymond.

[michaelm]

Please no Myles Turner. His center of gravity is bad.

Yes please to Nerlens Noel, Onyeka Okongwu, Chris Boucher, Pascal Siakam, Kelly Olynyk, Wendell Carter, Thomas Bryant, Richaun Holmes.

yes your team really wanted pascal

it wasn't a bad idea to try to buy low but raps wouldn't sell low

On the contrary, Raptors posters kept coming on here and contending that GSW should trade for Siakam; call me overly wedded to Aristotlean logic if you like, but it seemed counter intuitive that they wanted to trade him for a player or players worse than him, or that the Raptors would want to trade such an overwhelmingly high quality player in the first place.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Warriors making other owners look bad by spending money as if they want to win.

Fans of large market teams should not believe their teams when they say they must cut salaries.

[Warriorfan]

Warriors making other owners look bad by spending money as if they want to win.

Fans of large market teams should not believe their teams when they say they must cut salaries.

All owners are rich but warriors do make almost 3x the average nba team.

[NO-KG-AI]

Warriors making other owners look bad by spending money as if they want to win.

Fans of large market teams should not believe their teams when they say they must cut salaries.

All owners are rich but warriors do make almost 3x the average nba team.

Did they before they started winning titles and basically became a national favorite team with a fanbase bigger than their own city?

[JN61]

He's a required player, regardless of how little you understand his value

And there are about 30 players in the league who can replace his value and add more to the team than Green does.

I guess they will just continue to bumble on and win further titles to add to the 4 they have already won despite Draymond.

They will more likely miss playoffs in next 2 years than win another championship considering how their core 3 is regressing.

[michaelm]

And there are about 30 players in the league who can replace his value and add more to the team than Green does.

I guess they will just continue to bumble on and win further titles to add to the 4 they have already won despite Draymond.

They will more likely miss playoffs in next 2 years than win another championship considering how their core 3 is regressing.

Yea, Curry had a terrible play-offs and a terrible finals in particular, Thompson played 35 minutes a game despite the two career threatening injuries and very likely has further physical recovery in prospect, and Green while patchy usually played great defense and played great overall in the clinching finals game, GSW fans are rightly happy, and you can please yourself/do whatever losers do.
I don’t think they are going to tear it down and trade their young players obtained with high draft picks for nothing either to please you.

[turnaroundJ]

Warriors making other owners look bad by spending money as if they want to win.

Fans of large market teams should not believe their teams when they say they must cut salaries.

All owners are rich but warriors do make almost 3x the average nba team.

Did they before they started winning titles and basically became a national favorite team with a fanbase bigger than their own city?

Yup it wasn't just spending, it was a decade long transformation. The way they built up the team's brand was great. Steph Curry made them billions. They really maximized his career and his star power. They have a great coaching staff and front office. I used to think "lightyears ahead" was cocky bs but it totally makes sense now. A championship won 7 years after the first with the same core is some 90s bulls ****.

[Jerry Maine]

And there are about 30 players in the league who can replace his value and add more to the team than Green does.

I guess they will just continue to bumble on and win further titles to add to the 4 they have already won despite Draymond.

They will more likely miss playoffs in next 2 years than win another championship considering how their core 3 is regressing.

Curry is better than ever

Klay will be better

Wiggs will be better

Poole will be better

Kuminga will be better

Moody will be better

Wiseman will be back

GP2 will be better

All of the above offsets Green's offensive regression and OPJ's probably departure

Sorry

[anotherhomer]

Please no Myles Turner. His center of gravity is bad.

Yes please to Nerlens Noel, Onyeka Okongwu, Chris Boucher, Pascal Siakam, Kelly Olynyk, Wendell Carter, Thomas Bryant, Richaun Holmes.

yes your team really wanted pascal

it wasn't a bad idea to try to buy low but raps wouldn't sell low

On the contrary, Raptors posters kept coming on here and contending that GSW should trade for Siakam; call me overly wedded to Aristotlean logic if you like, but it seemed counter intuitive that they wanted to trade him for a player or players worse than him, or that the Raptors would want to trade such an overwhelmingly high quality player in the first place.

Both sides, mostly believed Pascal would present a better alignment with GSW timeline (win-now but still young enough to bridge to future)
While Raps could use younger players to restart their timeline.

The issue of appropriate package was a big one.

In the end, GSW won a championship while Raps got a star who re-established his star value
So worked out at the end.

[Warriorfan]

yes your team really wanted pascal

it wasn't a bad idea to try to buy low but raps wouldn't sell low

On the contrary, Raptors posters kept coming on here and contending that GSW should trade for Siakam; call me overly wedded to Aristotlean logic if you like, but it seemed counter intuitive that they wanted to trade him for a player or players worse than him, or that the Raptors would want to trade such an overwhelmingly high quality player in the first place.

Both sides, mostly believed Pascal would present a better alignment with GSW timeline (win-now but still young enough to bridge to future)
While Raps could use younger players to restart their timeline.

The issue of appropriate package was a big one.

In the end, GSW won a championship while Raps got a star who re-established his star value
So worked out at the end.

With trades it's always an assumption there is a system fit. On GS what option would Pascal be.
Maybe 5th. Curry, Thompson, Poole, Wiggins.

Would Pascal have rebounded much better than Wiggins. Why would you pay assets for a 4th option a future when you believe you rightfully have enough to win a championship

Many on RealGM need to step away from the trade checkers.

[TrueFan420]

On the contrary, Raptors posters kept coming on here and contending that GSW should trade for Siakam; call me overly wedded to Aristotlean logic if you like, but it seemed counter intuitive that they wanted to trade him for a player or players worse than him, or that the Raptors would want to trade such an overwhelmingly high quality player in the first place.

Both sides, mostly believed Pascal would present a better alignment with GSW timeline (win-now but still young enough to bridge to future)
While Raps could use younger players to restart their timeline.

The issue of appropriate package was a big one.

In the end, GSW won a championship while Raps got a star who re-established his star value
So worked out at the end.

With trades it's always an assumption there is a system fit. On GS what option would Pascal be.
Maybe 5th. Curry, Thompson, Poole, Wiggins.

Would Pascal have rebounded much better than Wiggins. Why would you pay assets for a 4th option a future when you believe you rightfully have enough to win a championship

Many on RealGM need to step away from the trade checkers.

Wiggins would have had to be in the deal money wise. Zero chance they’d have traded Dray. The was questions around fit of Dray and Pascal. As well as what youth we’d have to give up.

Absolutely

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Warriors are in perfect shape to change nothing and expect more championships. Maybe the Celtics or Grizzlies take next year’s championship but even that does not mean it is time for changes if the young guys are getting better.

Warriors can be like the Duncan Spurs, never a overwhelming champion but hanging around ready to seize the champion when the other contenders are weak.

[JN61]

I guess they will just continue to bumble on and win further titles to add to the 4 they have already won despite Draymond.

They will more likely miss playoffs in next 2 years than win another championship considering how their core 3 is regressing.

Curry is better than ever

Klay will be better

Wiggs will be better

Poole will be better

Kuminga will be better

Moody will be better

Wiseman will be back

GP2 will be better

All of the above offsets Green's offensive regression and OPJ's probably departure

Sorry

I hold you to the 2nd championship then.

[Jerry Maine]

They will more likely miss playoffs in next 2 years than win another championship considering how their core 3 is regressing.

Curry is better than ever

Klay will be better

Wiggs will be better

Poole will be better

Kuminga will be better

Moody will be better

Wiseman will be back

GP2 will be better

All of the above offsets Green's offensive regression and OPJ's probably departure

Sorry

I hold you to the 2nd championship then.

Lock it in brother!!!

Get back to me if they miss the playoffs.

[DroseReturnChi]

gs has two choices. they can all in and likely 3peat while suck for rest of decade.
or they can be post 2019 laker and just become relevant as a big market team but not really contending.

[Warriorfan]

gs has two choices. they can all in and likely 3peat while suck for rest of decade.
or they can be post 2019 laker and just become relevant as a big market team but not really contending.

Or continue draft well, develop well and pay their player taking on a large luxury tax.

[azwfan]

Not feeling good about keeping all of Loon, GP2, and OPJr.

If we can at least keep Looney, I have some hope Bob can make magic happen with the vet minimum signings. Would feel much better if we can keep Looney AND GP2, but starting to think that may be a long shot. Thats a lot of Luxury tax to pay for GP2.