This is OBVIOUSLY Steph's era- not Lebron's.

[The Rebel]

He is 37 at this point and he can't healthy since the moment a scrub like Solomon Hill jump in his leg in 2021

I am sure you have an excuse for 2019 as well?

Health again......This is the fact.The lakers were fourth in the west before his groin injury.....The cavs would not make the playoffs in 2018 if he would have the same problem and missing so many game....

So Lebron gets the health excuse but nobody else does.

[Red8911]

C'mon....It was more that Curry vs LBJ in his finals...I mean just in 2016,Curry was awful,LeBron was legendary on offense and defense and the finals were still close.....

2016 was 6 years ago. Since that Finals loss Curry has won 3 more NBA Titles.
He now has 2 NBA titles without Kevin Durant. point being that Lebron fans need to get over 2016.

The Warriors have won titles with Harrison Barnes, Kevin Durant and Andrew Wiggins at the power forward spot.
Barnes and Wiggins are considered somewhat average....but when they play with Curry they end up being NBA Champions.

Curry has 2 titles playing with a way more talented team then Lebron ever had, and the 2015 title is easier then Lebron ever had.

As for conference play, 2016 is the only year Curry had a tough trip to the finals

Why Lebron didn’t have talented teams in Miami and Cleveland? He didn’t win alone, he had a lot of help.

[nikster]

2016 was 6 years ago. Since that Finals loss Curry has won 3 more NBA Titles.
He now has 2 NBA titles without Kevin Durant. point being that Lebron fans need to get over 2016.

The Warriors have won titles with Harrison Barnes, Kevin Durant and Andrew Wiggins at the power forward spot.
Barnes and Wiggins are considered somewhat average....but when they play with Curry they end up being NBA Champions.

Curry has 2 titles playing with a way more talented team then Lebron ever had, and the 2015 title is easier then Lebron ever had.

As for conference play, 2016 is the only year Curry had a tough trip to the finals

Why Lebron didn’t have talented teams in Miami and Cleveland? He didn’t win alone, he had a lot of help.

I never said that

[The4thHorseman]

Where was this Curry is better than Lebron as Klay was healing and the warriors were in the lottery?

Ahhh. The season where they were still suffering from injuries and Curry broke his hand early in the season?

Pretty much the same place Lebron + AD + Dwight + Melo+ Westbrook are in this season.

Curry could have came back that season but GS voluntarily tanked instead by shutting down Draymond also.

Big difference between the 2 situations.

[The4thHorseman]

Is this the same steph that needed KD to join his team so he could beat LeBron?

This is the Steph that didn't jump ship 3 times so he could win easy rings. He won before KD and now after KD.

Which rings were easy to win?

[rapstarter]

Is this the same steph that needed KD to join his team so he could beat LeBron?

This is the Steph that didn't jump ship 3 times so he could win easy rings. He won before KD and now after KD.

Which rings were easy to win?

I don't know. Maybe go watch that "not 1 not 2 not 3, it's going to be easy" welcome party video again.

[infinite11285]

Only if you think that Curry is a top 5 players ever

Read on Twitter

That's a cool graphic, but it seems like Curry is able to, you know, WIN at a faster clip.

If the goal is to win, it just seems like the gap of accomplishments are null.

The gap between individual accomplishments are null? Since when? You can't simply disregard the gap between two players you chose to compare fresh off the heels of a team accomplishment (a championship) to pigeonhole the discussion. The gap in individual achievements is directly material to your topic.

If we're keeping score, LeBron has:

3 more finals mvps
2 more mvps
9 more NBA First teams
9 more All NBA teams
5 more NBA Defense first teams
6 more All NBA all Defense teams
10 more All Star selections

Additionally, he averages more points, assists, and rebounds than Curry in the Regular Season, Playoffs, and Finals. Those are empirical, inarguable facts that can't be ignored so you can better substantiate the (mostly) subjective points offered in your OP.

How are eras being defined and what's the cut-off? Why aren't overlapping eras being considered? Kawhi, Dirk, and Giannis also won championships during the "eras" of Steph and LeBron, so what does that mean for the topic?

[The4thHorseman]

Steph Curry beat Lebron's team in the 2015 Finals.

Steph Curry and Lebron now have the same amount of titles at 4....and Curry is 3-1 against Lebron in the Finals.

The 2015*, 2016 and 2022* were not super teams by any stretch of the imagination.

This years championship is more impressive than any title that Lebron has accomplished based on the supporting cast.

*Denotes NBA Champion

C'mon....It was more that Curry vs LBJ in his finals...I mean just in 2016,Curry was awful,LeBron was legendary on offense and defense and the finals were still close.....

2016 was 6 years ago. Since that Finals loss Curry has won 3 more NBA Titles.
He now has 2 NBA titles without Kevin Durant. point being that Lebron fans need to get over 2016.

The Warriors have won titles with Harrison Barnes, Kevin Durant and Andrew Wiggins at the power forward spot.
Barnes and Wiggins are considered somewhat average....but when they play with Curry they end up being NBA Champions.

What did Kyrie or Love win before playing with LeBron? They hadn't even made the postseason yet.

[The4thHorseman]

This is the Steph that didn't jump ship 3 times so he could win easy rings. He won before KD and now after KD.

Which rings were easy to win?

I don't know. Maybe go watch that "not 1 not 2 not 3, it's going to be easy" welcome party video again.

You never had a pep rally in high school for an upcoming sporting event?

So which of the 4 were easy to win?

[Lalouie]

4 rings with the SAME franchise in 7 years.

Won rings with different sets of roles players whom he all made look better. Basically everyone 'fit in'.

Wiggins, who Lebron had traded away to get Kevin Love, FLOURISHED alongside a guy that beat Lebron 3x in the finals in Curry.

Literally gas made EVERY TEAMMATE better by merely just his presence on the floor. From superstars like KD, to players like McGee/Nick Young/Draymond/Zaza Pachulia, to players to Poole & Gary Payton Jr. Unlike Bron, he really makes teammates better and fundamental pieces to the team regardless of the level they're at.

And most of all - NO EXCUSES. This team had major injuries earlier in the season and mid season, but weathered the storm. Him, nor his teammates, aren't in ENDLESS trade rumors during those losing slumps unlike every team Lebron is on. Truly fosters a positive work environment.

The Steph Era. Happy to be a part of it.

lebron is not an enabler.
never was.
hate to bring it up yet again but he always retooled everyone's game to fit him. a true enabler helps players acheive their ceiling, but lebron was always about "let me compartmentalize you so you can help me, and by helping me THAT"S how i can get us a ring". it's not lebron's fault that he's 6'8/255 with a complete skillset, but that is the only way he can utilize his body to enable his game. i am a big believer in one being "a prisoner" of one's talent. but it is not a game i like because it only helps him, not others.

but there's the hardware and there's the image. curry's hardware is more "true", lebron's is manufactured - he bent the rules in his favor, which is not very "sporting" is it because when you get down to it, there' aren't very many stars who have the power to do it. he chose to take advantage because he could. that's not competition, that's an unlevel playing field. but lebron's image is HUGE so whether you or i like it or not this has been lebron's era - he's got bigger feet

[jals]

Lebron is a better player than Curry, full stop.

But Curry and his organization have dominated since 2015, no question about it. And moreover, Curry (and his organization recognizing the implications of his skillset and the current rules) has absolutely changed the dominant strategy of basketball forever.

Both can be true.

[infinite11285]

This is the Steph that didn't jump ship 3 times so he could win easy rings. He won before KD and now after KD.

Which rings were easy to win?

I don't know. Maybe go watch that "not 1 not 2 not 3, it's going to be easy" welcome party video again.

Citing words said in jest during a rally from over a decade ago can't be used to skirt from answering the question.

You claimed LeBron jumped ship to win "easy" rings. Exactly which ring did you consider easy?

[at87on]

Curry is probably the biggest reason why Lebron won’t ever be considered the GOAT

I think Kevin Durant is that reason.
Without Durant, Lebron has at least 2 more titles.

[Freighttrain]

Yeah, and the '90s were Hakeems decade

[jals]

Which rings were easy to win?

I don't know. Maybe go watch that "not 1 not 2 not 3, it's going to be easy" welcome party video again.

Citing words said in jest during a rally from over a decade ago can't be used to skirt from answering the question.

You claimed LeBron jumped ship to win "easy" rings. Exactly which ring did you consider easy?

Lebron won 4 rings by stacking teams. He lost 2 because someone else stacked better than him (KD Warriors). Curry won 2 "organically" and lost 1 due to someone else stacking (2016) and 1-2 due to injuries (which is normal btw). On net, Lebron has probably benefitted more from the superstar stacking era, but that doesn't mean he's not a better player and the best player of the post-Jordan decades. Curry has undoubtedly impacted the league more. Which one do you value in terms of declaring "ownership" of an era?

[Goomba3666]

Only if you think that Curry is a top 5 players ever

Read on Twitter

That's a cool graphic, but it seems like Curry is able to, you know, WIN at a faster clip.

If the goal is to win, it just seems like the gap of accomplishments are null.

The gap between individual accomplishments are null? Since when? You can't simply disregard the gap between two players you chose to compare fresh off the heels of a team accomplishment (a championship) to pigeonhole the discussion. The gap in individual achievements is directly material to your topic.

If we're keeping score, LeBron has:

3 more finals mvps
2 more mvps
9 more NBA First teams
9 more All NBA teams
5 more NBA Defense first teams
6 more All NBA all Defense teams
10 more All Star selections

Additionally, he averages more points, assists, and rebounds than Curry in the Regular Season, Playoffs, and Finals. Those are empirical, inarguable facts that can't be ignored so you can better substantiate the (mostly) subjective points offered in your OP.

How are eras being defined and what's the cut-off? Why aren't overlapping eras being considered? Kawhi, Dirk, and Giannis also won championships during the "eras" of Steph and LeBron, so what does that mean for the topic?

To answer your last question - it means that Curry became the became the orca in an ocean of 6'8-6'10 sharks.

Bron, KD, Giannis, Kawhi are all great. But Curry came out on top more often than not. That's what makes Curry's path incredible. The rise and falls. The injuries. The doubt. And here we are with Otto Porter starting in a Finals Game and Curry making him look like a crucial pice of a championship run. Lol.

It's just different and everyone knows it. Feels like dude has a chance to win alongside virtually any mediocre player because he's knows how to maximize everyone's talent to make them fit into a team structure.

[An Unbiased Fan]

Here's the thing, in 2011 Lebron teamed with three other stars to try and do what Curry has done. One guy has bounced from team to team trying to chase rings, and the other has done it with one core. If Curry joins the upper tier of champions, then this is definitely his era.

Legends with 5 rings

Russell
MJ
Kareem
Kobe
Duncan
Magic
^
NBA history can be mapped out with these guys

[WintaSoldier1]

Here's the thing, in 2011 Lebron teamed with three other stars to try and do what Curry has done. One guy has bounced from team to team trying to chase rings, and the other has done it with one core. If Curry joins the upper tier of champions, then this is definitely his era.

Legends with 5 rings

Russell
MJ
Kareem
Kobe
Duncan
Magic
^
NBA history can be mapped out with these guys

Why is Loyalty + Success the given Criteria? Just because they all have a common denominator??

And the claim, that NBA history can be mapped out with those people is flat out false, firstly you miss LBJ’s Era of History, Which overlaps with Kobe’s beginning in 07’.

Lebron’s Era of Player Empowerment, is directly responsible for 2 Of Curry’s Rings(KD).

To ignore LBJ’s obvious impact on the NBA is just ignorant and flat out wrong. And your earlier statement also excludes a plethora of people who were almost impactful in NBA History.

[LukaTheGOAT]

5-year peaks in PS BPM

Lebron- 10.83

Steph-7.83

3-year playoff peaks in AuPM

Lebron-7.9

Steph-5.7

Top 3-year team playoff offenses by rORTG

Lebron- +9.4

Steph- +7.5

3-year playoff Backpicks BPM

Lebron-9

Steph-6.9

15-20 Playoff PIPM

Lebron-7.37

Steph-3.95

[Goomba3666]

Bron stans saying the quiet parts loud in this thread. The media has slipped up this year too.

By listening to people talk about Bron, you'd think that basketball isn't necessarily about winning, but about individual accomplishments.

Media has done it several times when they were crunching numbers live on TV to determine how Bron would win the scoring title while his team was getting monkey stomped every night.

Sad times for basketball.