Tyrese Maxey is better than - Jalen Green, Tyrese Haliburton, Jordan Poole, Anthony Edwards and Darius Garland

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Post#101 » by DoctaJ » Thu Nov 3, 2022 8:48 pm

In order of who I'd rather have on my team - not necessarily who is better this current moment:

Edwards
Haliburton

Garland/Maxey

Poole

No idea about Jalen Green (I don't think I've ever seen him play to be honest)
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Post#102 » by JonFromVA » Thu Nov 3, 2022 9:07 pm

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JonFromVA wrote:Someone is going to have to explain why if Maxey is playing this well, the 76'ers are just 4-5 and are even slightly better when he isn't on the floor.


1. It's a team sport.
2. "The 76ers are better when Maxey is off the floor?" Even if the stats tell you it's true don't believe them.


Yep, it's a team sport where even the worst offensive team scores 107 points per game, which means in theory someone could average 107 ppg and their team would still struggle to win 20 games.

And I really don't think stats care whether we believe in them or not.

I mean I'd rather let Sixers fans explain this as I don't follow your team; but if I had to guess why Maxey's scoring doesn't impact winning more because scoring is pretty much all he contributes.

I mean, let's take a look at BPM for these players. In case you didn't know, BPM is a box-score based stat where a score of 0.0 is considered average. It loves efficient players who contribute in multiple areas.

Maxey is 0.6 this year and last.
Hali is +5.4 this and +2.8 last
Green is -3.8 this and -2.8 last
Poole is -2.8 this and +1.0 last
AntMan is -1.8 this and +1.2 last
Garland is +8.7 this and +2.6 last

Going beyond that, it's also important to consider role. Comparing a player who's the 3rd option in his team's offense to another player who's the 1st option on another team is shaky at best.
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Post#103 » by Decipher » Tue Nov 8, 2022 10:40 am

Watched him today

Really likeable young guy whose shot is regressing to the mean

Absolutely terrible distributor but he's in a bad situation without a decent pg

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Post#104 » by hippesthippo » Tue Nov 8, 2022 12:12 pm

76ciology wrote:They say he’s good because he’s just feeding off Harden and Embiid drawing the defense

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How on earth are teams doubling 3 players on a single team as much as they are against the Sixers? Who is the extra defender rotating off of consistently?

Unfortunately, at least looking at that tiny sample, all 3 appear to be terrible at beating double teams.

You would think Philly might at least be benefiting from it on the offensive glass with a man left alone on the weakside to crash the boards, but nah.. they're league worst in offensive rebounds.
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Post#105 » by hippesthippo » Tue Nov 8, 2022 12:15 pm

DoctaJ wrote:In order of who I'd rather have on my team - not necessarily who is better this current moment:

No idea about Jalen Green (I don't think I've ever seen him play to be honest)


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Post#106 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 8, 2022 1:39 pm

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76ciology wrote:They say he’s good because he’s just feeding off Harden and Embiid drawing the defense

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How on earth are teams doubling 3 players on a single team as much as they are against the Sixers? Who is the extra defender rotating off of consistently?

Unfortunately, at least looking at that tiny sample, all 3 appear to be terrible at beating double teams.

You would think Philly might at least be benefiting from it on the offensive glass with a man left alone on the weakside to crash the boards, but nah.. they're league worst in offensive rebounds.


That’s why we’re losing games. We’re playing 6 vs 5
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Post#107 » by hippesthippo » Tue Nov 8, 2022 1:48 pm

76ciology wrote:
hippesthippo wrote:
76ciology wrote:They say he’s good because he’s just feeding off Harden and Embiid drawing the defense

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How on earth are teams doubling 3 players on a single team as much as they are against the Sixers? Who is the extra defender rotating off of consistently?

Unfortunately, at least looking at that tiny sample, all 3 appear to be terrible at beating double teams.

You would think Philly might at least be benefiting from it on the offensive glass with a man left alone on the weakside to crash the boards, but nah.. they're league worst in offensive rebounds.


That’s why we’re losing games. We’re playing 6 vs 5


At least you aren't the Lakers. I've heard they have to play every game 4 on 8. [5-1 westbrick vs 5+3 refs]
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Post#108 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Nov 11, 2022 1:19 pm

Maxey and his acolytes seeing that it's a lot harder to put up those big numbers as the #1 or #2 guy.

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Post#109 » by LordCovington33 » Fri Nov 11, 2022 1:44 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Maxey and his acolytes seeing that it's a lot harder to put up those big numbers as the #1 or #2 guy.

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Explain. Hasn’t he been the number 1 or 2 guy when putting up bug numbers this season?

His last two matches have been terrible (with Embiid only), but what about the other matches when either Harden or Embiid (or both) is out?

2 games ago (no Embiid or Harden)
Maxey 32/3/7
Harris 23/9/4

3 games ago (no Embiid)
Maxey 32/2/4
Harden 24/5/10

4 games ago (no Embiid)
Maxey 28/3/3
Harden 23/7/17

5 games ago
Maxey 14/5/3
Embiid 25/7/4
Harden 15/6/11

6 games ago (no Embiid)
Maxey 44/8/4
Harden 11/4/4

7 games ago
Embiid 31/5/3
Maxey 31/5/6
Harden 18/7/9
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Post#110 » by God Squad » Fri Nov 11, 2022 1:53 pm

LordCovington33 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Maxey and his acolytes seeing that it's a lot harder to put up those big numbers as the #1 or #2 guy.

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Explain. Hasn’t he been the number 1 or 2 guy when putting up bug numbers this season?

His last two matches have been terrible (with Embiid only), but what about the other matches when either Harden or Embiid (or both) is out?

2 games ago (no Embiid or Harden)
Maxey 32/3/7
Harris 23/9/4

3 games ago (no Embiid)
Maxey 32/2/4
Harden 24/5/10

4 games ago (no Embiid)
Maxey 28/3/3
Harden 23/7/17

5 games ago
Maxey 14/5/3
Embiid 25/7/4
Harden 15/6/11

6 games ago (no Embiid)
Maxey 44/8/4
Harden 11/4/4

7 games ago
Embiid 31/5/3
Maxey 31/5/6
Harden 18/7/9

Well it's kinda clear that he doesn't really fit with Embiid. I'm just spitballing ideas but maybe the spacing becomes an issue when Biids on the floor with Maxey? Or maybe it's him being indecisive because he knows he has to pass to Biid.
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Post#111 » by LordCovington33 » Fri Nov 11, 2022 2:06 pm

God Squad wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Maxey and his acolytes seeing that it's a lot harder to put up those big numbers as the #1 or #2 guy.

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Explain. Hasn’t he been the number 1 or 2 guy when putting up bug numbers this season?

His last two matches have been terrible (with Embiid only), but what about the other matches when either Harden or Embiid (or both) is out?

2 games ago (no Embiid or Harden)
Maxey 32/3/7
Harris 23/9/4

3 games ago (no Embiid)
Maxey 32/2/4
Harden 24/5/10

4 games ago (no Embiid)
Maxey 28/3/3
Harden 23/7/17

5 games ago
Maxey 14/5/3
Embiid 25/7/4
Harden 15/6/11

6 games ago (no Embiid)
Maxey 44/8/4
Harden 11/4/4

7 games ago
Embiid 31/5/3
Maxey 31/5/6
Harden 18/7/9

Well it's kinda clear that he doesn't really fit with Embiid. I'm just spitballing ideas but maybe the spacing becomes an issue when Biids on the floor with Maxey? Or maybe it's him being indecisive because he knows he has to pass to Biid.


It feels like a fit issue with Embiid with the schemes that the coach is running. He does perfectly fine with Harden (as a #1 or 2 player), or even when he’s out there alone (#1 player), controlling the pace. He looks lost with Embiid actually, when he’s the floor general. So, I don’t think it’s a case of him not being capable of putting up big numbers as a #1 or #2 (as the other guy said), but who he’s playing along side. Looks so indecisive with Embiid (second guessing himself), but plays better when he’s not the one feeding him the ball. He’s a more natural SG. They need to figure this out on those nights when Harden is unavailable.
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Post#112 » by JRoy » Fri Nov 11, 2022 3:09 pm

Shrimpy one way combo guards are a dime a dozen.

He’s put up numbers but I’d take any of those guys over Maxey.
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Post#113 » by Woodsanity » Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:09 pm

God Squad wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Maxey and his acolytes seeing that it's a lot harder to put up those big numbers as the #1 or #2 guy.

Read on Twitter

Explain. Hasn’t he been the number 1 or 2 guy when putting up bug numbers this season?

His last two matches have been terrible (with Embiid only), but what about the other matches when either Harden or Embiid (or both) is out?

2 games ago (no Embiid or Harden)
Maxey 32/3/7
Harris 23/9/4

3 games ago (no Embiid)
Maxey 32/2/4
Harden 24/5/10

4 games ago (no Embiid)
Maxey 28/3/3
Harden 23/7/17

5 games ago
Maxey 14/5/3
Embiid 25/7/4
Harden 15/6/11

6 games ago (no Embiid)
Maxey 44/8/4
Harden 11/4/4

7 games ago
Embiid 31/5/3
Maxey 31/5/6
Harden 18/7/9

Well it's kinda clear that he doesn't really fit with Embiid. I'm just spitballing ideas but maybe the spacing becomes an issue when Biids on the floor with Maxey? Or maybe it's him being indecisive because he knows he has to pass to Biid.

Who fits well with Embiid? He is a black hole on offense who is barely competent at passing.
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Post#114 » by mg » Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:19 pm

Looking at the entire package (size, distributing, defense, scoring) I would probably take Haliburton out of the entire bunch. It's crazy that the Kings decided to trade him.
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Post#115 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Nov 11, 2022 5:30 pm

Woodsanity wrote:Who fits well with Embiid? He is a black hole on offense who is barely competent at passing.


I'd like to see him with Jalen Brunson, Ty Haliburton, FVV or Desmond Bane. Lower usage playmakers who can space the floor and who would willingly give the ball up to him in good position for easy buckets.
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Post#116 » by Jadoogar » Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:09 pm

JimmyPlopper wrote:Lol I like Maxey more than almost anyone. Don't do that to him and give people a reason to dislike him. He doesn't need to be better than all those guys to be awesome in his own right


I agree but i would argue he is better than some of those guys already.
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Post#117 » by Yoshun » Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:11 pm

I like Maxey, but I like Garland and Hailburton better. Hailburton especially is going to be really, really good.
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Post#118 » by Farhan0311 » Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:35 am

Green has the highest ceiling of the group. He has the best combo of raw athleticism like Edwards and the wiggle of Poole.
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Post#119 » by eyeatoma » Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:58 am

Woodsanity wrote:
God Squad wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:Explain. Hasn’t he been the number 1 or 2 guy when putting up bug numbers this season?

His last two matches have been terrible (with Embiid only), but what about the other matches when either Harden or Embiid (or both) is out?

2 games ago (no Embiid or Harden)
Maxey 32/3/7
Harris 23/9/4

3 games ago (no Embiid)
Maxey 32/2/4
Harden 24/5/10

4 games ago (no Embiid)
Maxey 28/3/3
Harden 23/7/17

5 games ago
Maxey 14/5/3
Embiid 25/7/4
Harden 15/6/11

6 games ago (no Embiid)
Maxey 44/8/4
Harden 11/4/4

7 games ago
Embiid 31/5/3
Maxey 31/5/6
Harden 18/7/9

Well it's kinda clear that he doesn't really fit with Embiid. I'm just spitballing ideas but maybe the spacing becomes an issue when Biids on the floor with Maxey? Or maybe it's him being indecisive because he knows he has to pass to Biid.

Who fits well with Embiid? He is a black hole on offense who is barely competent at passing.
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