Silver wants a female coach in the league...

[CIN-C-STAR]

We ain't nothing but mammals.

That is true, but you're blurring lines. That is an oversimplification of a complex problem. There's heavy risk associated with those decisions. Generational wealth sized risk. Most of us aren't faced with that level of pressure to stay in line. For the average population, sure. But we're talking about a league heralding unimaginable wealth. Again, as the gatekeepers of sex (I'm saying that line for a reason), I do not at all expect any woman with the mind, discipline, and leadership of a pro coach to risk that level of wealth for a fling. Too much to lose.

Your over thinking it. Lots of travel, constantly in hotels away from home ect ect. Sex always wins its undefeated.

A lot of women who would be interested in the position, maybe even most, aren't even interested in men
This is just a dumb excuse tbh. Men coach women's basketball at all levels and no one uses this excuse to exclude them from the job. Also, male NBA coaches have to work with female staff members too so this isn't even a concern unique to women (see: Udoka).
I didn't think "wOmEn ArE uNcOnTrOlLabLy HoRnY aNd CaN't Be TrUstEd To CoNtRoL tHeMsElVeS" would actually be given as a legit reason to not hire women in 2022, but here we are

[KingDavid]

We ain't nothing but mammals.

That is true, but you're blurring lines. That is an oversimplification of a complex problem. There's heavy risk associated with those decisions. Generational wealth sized risk. Most of us aren't faced with that level of pressure to stay in line. For the average population, sure. But we're talking about a league heralding unimaginable wealth. Again, as the gatekeepers of sex (I'm saying that line for a reason), I do not at all expect any woman with the mind, discipline, and leadership of a pro coach to risk that level of wealth for a fling. Too much to lose.

Your over thinking it. Lots of travel, constantly in hotels away from home ect ect. Sex always wins its undefeated.

Fraternization? Guaranteed the NBA will make a policy against player/coach relationships.

[LakersLegacy]

Brittney Griner !

[bluemj32]

I don't buy that parallel. Race and gender are completely different constructs.

Conjuring up emotional ties to the history of racial integration is a slippery slope

I don't know about that, there are definitely similarities. And as a minority father who has daughters who, I under the history and plight that women have had too.
Overall, I think a management role initially will probably come first, but to say it's just a man's league is much. We're not talking players

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But this is a mens basketball league.

I studied Mary Wollstonecraft, i know feminist ideals.

Its a men's basketball league.

This is unarguable.

I understand from a playing standpoint yes....but why is there female officials? Female workers? The list can go on. Besides playing on the court Females are capable of the other positions if they are qualified for it.

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[Tim Kempton]

You could claim that part of the Jackie Robinson hire back in the day was a form of that in some aspects. He faced massive backlash from fans and opposing teams, including racial slurs in game. He was a hell of a player though and clearly deserved to be in it. Just because most woman probably would not make a good head coach doesn't mean none of them are qualified.

It's just funny seeing no one bat an eyelash at any ethnicity of man getting the job but any woman and it's a huge deal.

Because it's a mens league.

MLB was also a white league to that point and there was a negro league. I’m not really invested in the issue either way but that’s not the greatest rebuttal.

This comparison is complete garbage. The separation of white and negro leagues was solely due to racism; it wasn't because black baseball players weren't as good as whites. There is not one woman alive good enough to make an NBA team. The WNBA doesn't exist because of misogyny or some type of prejudice; it exists so women have a league where they can play amongst those of similar talent.

[KyRo23]

Brittney Griner !

He said female.

I’m kidding I’m kiiiiidding

[Tim Kempton]

This will make all the usual people big mad.

But there is no problem here despite their forthcoming efforts to create one.

The usual people are going to have a cow over this, which pretty much proves Silver's point.

What will it prove? That we hate women? How about not forcing a quota and just hiring the best person for the job. Not just to say you did it

That's considered sexism now. Why have a competence and merit-based system when we can just check a box to prove we support inclusivity?

[Pharmcat]

The usual people are going to have a cow over this, which pretty much proves Silver's point.

What will it prove? That we hate women? How about not forcing a quota and just hiring the best person for the job. Not just to say you did it

That's considered sexism now. Why have a competence and merit-based system when we can just check a box to prove we support inclusivity?

Hammon checks the competence and merit boxes and considering the fact she has played the game , been assistant coach, coached summer league , learned
Under Pop. You really can’t get more qualified than her and yet people with less qualifications are getting roles. It’s not about the qualifications and the “best man for the job” talking point is just that, a empty talking point that is not used in reality

[Tim Kempton]

What will it prove? That we hate women? How about not forcing a quota and just hiring the best person for the job. Not just to say you did it

That's considered sexism now. Why have a competence and merit-based system when we can just check a box to prove we support inclusivity?

Hammon checks the competence and merit boxes and considering the fact she has played the game , been assistant coach, coached summer league , learned
Under Pop. You really can’t get more qualified than her and yet people with less qualifications are getting roles. It’s not about the qualifications and the “best man for the job” talking point is just that, a empty talking point that is not used in reality

Hammon is a fine candidate but the main reason you and others keep hoisting her above all others is because she's a woman. Saying she automatically deserves a coaching spot over the likes of Sam Cassell, Kokoskov, Charles Lee, Adrian Griffin, or former coaches who deserve another shot (Atkinson, Joerger, etc.) is a direct result of gender bias. All of them, including Hammon, are strong candidates. If/when she gets a head coaching position, I'm sure it will be well-earned. Until then, let's not make it like she's this huge step above the rest.

We also need to recognize the elephant in the room here. So many people say that NBA players need to put their egos aside and be open to taking direction from a female head coach. For a society so hellbent on validating everybody's feelings, how about recognizing the fact that the 400 or so men that comprise the NBA should have their voices heard on the subject. If they're comfortable with it, awesome. If not, maybe we should take their opinions into account since they're the ones who will be directly impacted.

[garrick]

I still don't know why a NBA team hasn't taken a chance on Becky Hammon.

We had a lot of unqualified head coaches get chances at the HC position so I'm hoping some team takes a flyer on her.

[Lalouie]

is he running for potus

[Lalouie]

I still don't know why a NBA team hasn't taken a chance on Becky Hammon.

We had a lot of unqualified head coaches get chances at the HC position so I'm hoping some team takes a flyer on her.

imho....once she's hired she cannot be fired. if she's mediocre like a lot of coaches all hell will rain down on the club that wants to fire her

[SOUL]

There's only bad arguments for not accepting a female head coach. If they're smart enough to coach, they'll get the job. If they're bad at their job, they will get fired, as have male coaches. A coach shouldn't be hired simply because they are a woman, but if they put in the work, have coaching chops, and are well respected by the players.. they will get a shot. Nancy Lieberman coached men in the G League in 2009 and is doing that for the BIG3, Hammon obviously has/had been an assistant for a while, it's not like there hasn't been. I think it'll come.

The world is just insanely misogynistic and people don't wait to admit it, including many people on here. I clicked on a random YouTube video of a male YouTuber playing a pro woman's soccer player in a 1v1 and these were the comments, literally in order from "newest comments":



5 comments about how she looks, 2 calling it stupid/criticizing, one calling it woke (?). If you don't think there's an issue of how most of the world see women.. then you're willfully ignorant.

[Ito]

I mean there’s already a female commissioner

[dk1115]

Becky Hammon had/has a real chance at a head coaching job.

[rapstarter]

If the brightest bball minds are female then so be it. Let a female head coach coach in this men's basketball league.

I want to see a dominant wnba coach be good enough to crossover to nba and vice versa even.

Agree with the sentiment but the WNBA is such a different game from the NBA that I don't think it means anything. This is where I think Hammon might have gone backward if she wanted an NBA head coaching job. With her already-decent resume, I think what she needed to prove to non-believers is that she can lead a team of men, not that she can coach basketball to a group of players who are at the level of high schoolers.

[ShazamDaShiznt]

There are so many ways a sports league could inspire the society....

Why is Silver so obsessed with the idea of a female coach? He's trying to sell unrealistic idea in here. Inspire women where they have realistic chances at getting a job. A men's basketball team coaching is a job probably only a couple of females could do OK in there. And then what? Is he trying to help WNBA here, or just trying to lure in more female fans to the NBA?

These are testosterone filled arrogant multi-millionaires who sometimes get into heated arguments as bad as Green-Poole incident. You don't see other major sports leagues having a full time female head coach. This isn't your typical corporate job where people have much better mannerisms.

In NBA it's also very easy for a coach to get fired as it's the players league. If there was a team where all 12-15 guys on the roster wanted a female head coach (or at least the most important players wanting her), they would've done that already.

[ShazamDaShiznt]

There's only bad arguments for not accepting a female head coach. If they're smart enough to coach, they'll get the job. If they're bad at their job, they will get fired, as have male coaches. A coach shouldn't be hired simply because they are a woman, but if they put in the work, have coaching chops, and are well respected by the players.. they will get a shot. Nancy Lieberman coached men in the G League in 2009 and is doing that for the BIG3, Hammon obviously has/had been an assistant for a while, it's not like there hasn't been. I think it'll come.

The world is just insanely misogynistic and people don't wait to admit it, including many people on here. I clicked on a random YouTube video of a male YouTuber playing a pro woman's soccer player in a 1v1 and these were the comments, literally in order from "newest comments":



5 comments about how she looks, 2 calling it stupid/criticizing, one calling it woke (?). If you don't think there's an issue of how most of the world see women.. then you're willfully ignorant.

You are talking about comment sections where trolling is usual. A lot of comment sections are filled with trolls and conspiracy theorists. In corporate the world there are much less of people with the mentality of a Youtube commentator. Their background gets checked and they need to be educated well to land a better job.

There can be a female NBA team owner, a female GM, a ref too, even asisstant coach. But the head coach is the first person who has to deal with the locker room BS and some of these NBA players are Youtube commentators all of a suddden getting an incredibly well paid job. I don't think there is a female coach who could deal with all that stuff game after game. Silver is giving fake idea to women in sports world that being a head coach of men's team is also a job to aspire.

Now to give NBA credit, they sure are a more friendly league than 20 years ago where teams like JailBlazers were OK thing to happen. However it's still unrealistic to expect no player to pull some shenanigans on a female head coach.

[SOUL]

I don't think there is a female coach who could deal with all that stuff game after game. Silver is giving fake idea to women in sports world that being a head coach of men's team is also a job to aspire.

I think you're underrating how much NBA players would be in support of it though. In a society overwhelmingly unsupportive of a lot of women's sports for different reasons, NBA players seem to be pretty much in lock step with female athletes, some very vocal advocates. I don't see why it would be any different for a coach.

I really think some of the issues people are saying are total non-stories, tbh. "How do you fire a female head coach?" "How does a woman deal with male players?" it just doesn't really seem something that should be divisive or that "deep". A lot of these players just wanna hop on 2K when they're home and chill before getting back to practice.

Like, yeah, you may get the odd Josh Primo who was a weirdo creep, but on a team full of male assistants and many players who had moms play in the WNBA or be big influences in their careers, I don't think there is an issue with gender as long as they can relate to a coach, be motivated by a coach, or have that coach show results.

Now, just like any coach.. the assistants they choose will be important as well. But for the most part, people just want to win. If a female coach has the coaching chops to affect that on par or better than other candidates, then I'd say most players have no issues with that. And if someone like Lieberman can do it with G-League guys and retired NBA dudes, I don't see how it would be an issue with NBA guys who have a lot more to lose if they said ignorant **** or were weird.

[JayMKE]

Its a high minded idea and maybe Becky Hammon will get a shot but people get way ahead of themselves and try to be the most woke person in the room, I don't think there has ever been a female head coach of male player in professional team sports and I'm not sure there has been on the college or prep level either so its uncharted territory. Having the qualifications is just one part, you actually have to be competent and be a leader of men too. Maybe Hammon is, maybe she isn't, but she's literally the only woman who has ever came close. Does anybody think she didn't get a job she should have or is it just hypothetical?

I believe in a strict professional conduct but men are still men as evidence even this offseason with Ime & Primo, both Spurs guys too, so I don't think you can discount the fear of potential discrimination or harassment lawsuits, something like that could be a serious black eye for the league and put a lot of money at risk. Generally you want a coach who can relate to the players and has been there before, there has been hardly no foreign born coaches in the NBA either even tho we know they're some of the best basketball minds. Fair or not, the media is unhinged and I wouldn't want the circus to undermine & distract a team I expect to be competitive and focused on basketball.