Woj: Hawks Trading John Collins to the Utah Jazz for Rudy Gay, 2RP

[ITYSL]

It's obviously a steal for Utah to get him for nothing... but what's the point here? He's a decent fit I guess, but not a needle mover. They should commit to a full rebuild instead just half-assing it. Wish my team did the same.

How was this possible salary matching wise??

No idea. It's not even close, certainly not enough that a 2nd rd pick would make up the difference. I'm not smart when it comes to salary cap and matching and all of that, though. But there must be more to this

[Ballerhogger]

Rudy gay is next haslem … can’t believe in league still and collions finally got traded

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Could have pivoted in another direction quicker

i mean he was promising when they signed his extension. he shot 40% from 3 as a big man, one season removed from scoring 21 ppg. he was also super effective from the field, TS% was way above league average.

they brought in more guys that took the ball away from him and he got injured.

At the same time, sometimes that's what happens, you cut your losses and you move on, not every move will be the correct move. However, I do remember at the time he signed his extension, Atlanta was a bit reluctant to extend him and we all knew it was far from a great contract.

I guess the contracts fit Utah's timeline a bit better contract wise and it's a very conservative try from them.

there was no way they were going to move on from John Collins at that moment and time. it just looks bad now because he hasn't improved. its not like Atlanta is one piece away either now. Look at the moves they made since then - They added Murray and Capela and they still can't get far in the playoffs. they obviously aren't 1 John Collins removed from contending. even if they let john Collins walk 2 years ago, doubt Atlanta front office does anything productive.

[They_Them_Hatin]

A straight salary dump. Ainge has wanted him for awhile and got him for absolutely nothing. Like at least get multiple 2nds damn.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

How was this possible salary matching wise??

Utah was under the cap, thus allowed to take on a big contract. i believe.

[ITYSL]

How was this possible salary matching wise??

No idea. It's not even close, certainly not enough that a 2nd rd pick would make up the difference. I'm not smart when it comes to salary cap and matching and all of that, though. But there must be more to this

This doesn't give specifics but just an idea:

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[Edrees]

Jazz are really good at making trades involving players name rudy

[Triple M]

Turning collins into a tpe isnt that bad actually but i wonder who they get and for how much draft capital. For example i would look at Bojan Bogdanovic if they can attain him tor a first then essential u have traded collins and a 1st, and 2nd for a better fitting player

[BrianInPhilly]

Now I'm left wondering... is Lauri work playing as a basically full-time SF?

I think Utah will mix/match lineups pretty well. Kessler should just play 24-30 min max & I think those 18-24 he’s out they should run a Collins / Markanan 5-4 combo. Collins rarely could play 5 on Atlanta next to a shooter but in Utah his pick & roll game shoukd thrive in that scenario, especially in stretches vs backup bigs.

[Johnny Bball]

Years ago I wanted the Raps to trade for Collins. And this is why I make suggestions on the internet only.

[Bobbymcgee]

So how much better does this make Utah? Because they couldn't even make the play-in last year and only won 37 games.

How do they get a big star or two on their team again being a treadmill team?

I don't dislike the trade, but I am just wondering what exactly is the end goal here.

When they started tearing the team down trading Mitchell and Gobert, I thought they were going for a full rebuild.

[Decipher]

Collins is a much better player than that

Guaranteed that he’s relieved to be getting away from Trae

[dakomish23]

I’m surprised this was the best they could get. Even if you’re set at starting PF / C, I would have brought him in to be the backup big off the bench for both.

Maybe that’s what they’ll do in UTA

[Bornstellar]

I don't understand why Utah would accept that without a FRP attached. 78m in remaining salary for a guy who isn't going to help you win anything is a huge amount of money to throw away. I wonder if this is the first part of a 3way deal that sends some more stuff to Utah to cover the salary dump, if not, I think it's a bad trade for the Jazz.

They traded a protected FRP to the Spurs for Murray. I don't think they can trade any future picks until it conveys or turns into a 2nd.

Two unprotected 1sts and two unprotected swaps, actually

[pace31]

So how much better does this make Utah? Because they couldn't even make the play-in last year and only won 37 games.

They actually won 37 games despite the best efforts of the front office to tank..... If they had kept the team they started the season with they would've been in the playoffs.

We owe our 1st round pick to OKC this year (unless we're bottom 10) so no reason to not make a push for the playoffs and we have to spend money somewhere.

I love this move, bought super low stock hoping for a turnaround and maybe the change in team and scenery (also being from UT) maybe reignites his career. If it doesn't, oh well, we won't be true contenders in a best case scenario until his contract is up. If we get the player that's less than he was 2-3 years ago, but better than last year I'd still call that a win and I like that we can have Hendricks starting on the bench for now. If the guy is awesome the team won't hesitate to bump up his role / playing time immediately (ala Donovan)

[They_Them_Hatin]

I’m surprised this was the best they could get. Even if you’re set at starting PF / C, I would have brought him in to be the backup big off the bench for both.

Maybe that’s what they’ll do in UTA

I mean somebody will take Rudy for cash and some 2nds. They literally got out of his contract for free.

[Threezus]

Can someone explain, why John Collins' value is so low`?

He’s overpaid and he has regressed in shooting the past few seasons, to 29% last year. May have been his grotesque finger injury.

Either way, he’s not worth the salary he is paid.

Was 100% his finger injury last year it was really bad. After it healed up a good bit and we swapped coaches to Snyder Collins actually went back to a 38.9% 3 point shooter the rest of the year avg. Which is right in line with his career avg so thats a very good sign for Utah.

With Johns much improved defense over the last few years and Lauri being able to stretch the defense away from the basket. I could see Collins eating big time next to him if they pair them up at times. Lauri compliments his style of play very well.

[hauntedcomputer]

Who knew that Rudy Gay was still in the league

The few NBA fans who watch something besides the Lakers.

[SeattleJazzFan]

I thought Collins was solid in the playoffs this year but yea i get it is a small sample

he averaged 11 and 4 on 43% FGs and 34% 3pt. so yeah, not very good in that small sample.

[docholliday99]

Turning collins into a tpe isnt that bad actually but i wonder who they get and for how much draft capital. For example i would look at Bojan Bogdanovic if they can attain him tor a first then essential u have traded collins and a 1st, and 2nd for a better fitting player

I don't think they'll use it. They still have something like 10m remaining from other TPEs, now 28m in total(?). They just went under the second apron and below the threshold of 165 - and Atlanta has never paid the tax, can't see them starting now. This was purely a salary dump.

Have to agree with some above sentiments, I really wanted Collins 3-4 years ago...it's really too bad he's declined since his 25 games suspension and after he signed his extension, though I suspect we'll see a resurgence on the Jazz.